Hinata Vs Sakura

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A coil, a Tanketsu, a chakra point, are part of the human body, all of them, it's not something independent, there are just specific parts of the body that the chakra use to travel around the body.
true...

Juuken just damage the chakra point, that specific part of the internal body that carries the chakra from a side to another, and this point is located in the organs, veins, arteries, they are no different from other, they just happen to be vital for the chakra network.
OK, even if jyuuken did do ''damage'', such cannot be healed because regeneration is blatantly a chakra flow ninjutsu. the jyuken coils & points ''damage'' prevents the chakra from flowing.
the ''healing'' is just yin chakra flow thru the coils system

its really that simple jyuken stops ninjutsu from working whether its a seal, a shroud, a trasformation or an elemental blast.
 

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No no no no no no it doesn't. It closes them, there is zero damage dome to the coils... Only the organs around them take damage.
exactly.

all jyuuken damage is a side effect of chakra ''suffocation'' causing paralysis when used indirectly(64 palm'd naruto)

...or organ rupturing from direct ''overload attacks''(kidomaru web reversal & 1-shot/body blow on zetsu clone)
 
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Again, the coils aren't gonna be damaged, this will not NEED to be healed by byakugo, thus byakugo would be sealed off like kidomaru's curse seal was. No more yin release....
 

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Again, the coils aren't gonna be damaged, this will not NEED to be healed by byakugo, thus byakugo would be sealed off like kidomaru's curse seal was. No more yin release....
we are saying the same thing, yes...

key word: ''side effect''

the damage comes (to organs) from a lack of chakra flow, or a sudden ''overload'' of chakra intake; its beautifully genius, & the concept( in manga) has been around far longer than naruto(Hokuto no Ken 4 ex.).
 
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Currently Hinata is turning to Zetsu while Sakura is concious.

It is obvious who will get feats, if either of them gets. What "yet" are you talking about CC?
Her using twin lion fists ... Or seeing if she knows rotation or not.

At the time being, Hinata should be able to prevent Sakura from using her byakugo seal with a jyuuken strike, as we saw Neji do to Kidomaru's curse seal ... And perhaps take down katsuyu using the same method Neji used to take out Kidomaru's summoning spider.

Though I'm thinking hashirama may somehow undo the Genesis Tree thing .... Maybe.
 

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Her using twin lion fists ... Or seeing if she knows rotation or not.
Yes because that's what story is about. Hinata's power.
At the time being, Hinata should be able to prevent Sakura from using her byakugo seal with a jyuuken strike, as we saw Neji do to Kidomaru's curse seal ... And perhaps take down katsuyu using the same method Neji used to take out Kidomaru's summoning spider.
Yes because Sakura will take a hit head on.
She knows what gentle fist is, if it is something that is threatening she won't take hit.
She can punch to ground (don't tell me it does not work, it does work atleast on someone who tripped over a small crack), use sleep bombs/poison/ weapons etc.
Katsuyu melts her before something like that happens, and that's assuming it can work. If she gets busy with slug Sakura punches her. No way she is taking them both with her lowly reflexes and small range.
Though I'm thinking hashirama may somehow undo the Genesis Tree thing .... Maybe.
And Hinata comes out of nowhere and gains feats.
 
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Yes because that's what story is about. Hinata's power.
No it isn't. But that doesn't mean she can't be given battle time.


Yes because Sakura will take a hit head on.
She knows what gentle fist is, if it is something that is threatening she won't take hit.
She fights using taijutsu ... She's gonna have to approach Hinata, which will increase the likelihood of her getting hit.

She can punch to ground (don't tell me it does not work, it does work atleast on someone who tripped over a small crack
should I then say Sakura can't dodge hinata's attacks since she got clobbered by a rock and owned by omoi?. Should I also say that she wouldn't be willing to kill or even hit Hinata since she couldn't even stab a simple eye? Should I also say that mentioning sasuke hating her would solo her by making her cry? Should I say that her evansivness sucka because she was failing to avoid the wooden spikes and needing to get her ass saved by Kakashi? The same wooden spike that hinata avoided while also covering for Naruto.

and you know as well as I do that hinata tripping was done to keep her out of the plot ... Not to show her inability to balance properly.

use sleep bombs/poison/ weapons etc
These would be foreseen by the Byakugan and countered with rotation. Sakura would have a limited amount of these anyways.

Katsuyu melts her before something like that happens
You mean that attack that never even made contact despite the target being a huge ass snake? Yet you expect it to hit a human?

and that's assuming it can work.
And why wouldn't it work? Gentle fist affects the inner body, which Kakashi has said cannot be trained, so all feats of gentle fist are equally applicable to any opponent, since gentle fist can't be Tanked.

If she gets busy with slug Sakura punches her
it took Neji mere seconds to explode kidomaru's spider .... The time to do to katsuyu wouldn't be much long either .... A few seconds at best.
And Hinata comes out of nowhere and gains feats.
sure ... Why not?
 
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No it isn't. But that doesn't mean she can't be given battle time.
Same is much more likely to happen Sakura.
She fights using taijutsu ... She's gonna have to approach Hinata, which will increase the likelihood of her getting hit.
Same goes for Hinata. Sakura has range so she can attack from distance too.



should I then say Sakura can't dodge hinata's attacks since she got clobbered by a rock and owned by omoi?.
as if Hinata have shown she is much better than that.
Should I also say that she wouldn't be willing to kill or even hit Hinata since she couldn't even stab a simple eye?
This is vs. She views Hinata as enemy.
Should I also say that mentioning sasuke hating her would solo her by making her cry?
Should i say Hinata dies due to loss of bodily fluids at the thought of Naruto-kun?
Don't be so lowly.
Should I say that her evansivness sucka because she was failing to avoid the wooden spikes and needing to get her ass saved by Kakashi? The same wooden spike that hinata avoided while also covering for Naruto.
It was an ambigous scan, and they seem to dodge that together . Also she got less panels to do anything. She have survived those spikes so she could have dodged them at some point.

and you know as well as I do that hinata tripping was done to keep her out of the plot ... Not to show her inability to balance properly.
What would she do? Run next to Naruto and cry? All in all, it happened.



These would be foreseen by the Byakugan and countered with rotation. Sakura would have a limited amount of these anyways.
What rotation?

You mean that attack that never even made contact despite the target being a huge ass snake? Yet you expect it to hit a human?
Snakes are quite swift animals, judging by the way how Aoda manevoured between numerous Juubi clones:


And why wouldn't it work? Gentle fist affects the inner body, which Kakashi has said cannot be trained, so all feats of gentle fist are equally applicable to any opponent, since gentle fist can't be Tanked.

it took Neji mere seconds to explode kidomaru's spider .... The time to do to katsuyu wouldn't be much long either .... A few seconds at best.
It requires certain time to channel chakra fully if it has to travel distance:



Katsuyu's unharmed part can simply split away.

Oh and in few seconds someone can very well throw a punch.

sure ... Why not?
totally. I wuld not mind people being cntributing but i don't see that hapening.
 

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OK, even if jyuuken did do ''damage'', such cannot be healed because regeneration is blatantly a chakra flow ninjutsu. the jyuken coils & points ''damage'' prevents the chakra from flowing.
First thing, one hit from Gentle Fist won't disrupt the entire chakra flow, just the affected area. Now, since Byakugou works on a cellular level, replacing the dead cells for new ones, this means she can regenerate organs and even limbs, Tsunade said it herself:
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The regenerated limbs and organs will have, of course, the chakra flow in a perfect state, quoting the Databook, "will be instantly restored to its uninjured state":
By releasing the great volume of chakra stored in her forehead at once, the body's cell division is forcibly stimulated by proteins, reconstructing all organs and all tissues making up the human body. The technique itself does not regenerate the old cells, rather it hastens the creation of new ones through division. If this technique is used, a body whose vital organs are so gravely injured that it cannot bear it any longer will be instantly restored to its uninjured state.
And the Databook also says this technique regenerate the body instantly, so hypothetically speaking, If Sakura gets hit by the 64 palms, Byakugou will reconstruct a new network inside her body, hit by hit, just like she would reconstruct any of her limbs.

the ''healing'' is just yin chakra flow thru the coils system
Yes, but again, one strike from Juuken won't disrupt the entire chakra network, Byakugou can create anothe chakra flow, replacing the blocked one to its uninjured state instantly.

its really that simple jyuken stops ninjutsu from working whether its a seal, a shroud, a trasformation or an elemental blast.
Not a single strike, no, not canonically.
No no no no no no it doesn't. It closes them, there is zero damage dome to the coils... Only the organs around them take damage.
No, it's the same technique that is attacking the coils that the one which is attacking the organs, there is no difference, it's a chakra based skill that inflict damage to the internal body, including the coils.
There is no difference in the internal body either, the organs are made of organs and tissues which are made of cells, just like the coils.

If you are really that stubborn, I am going to try getting down of your cloud with another argument.

Do you remember Souzo Saizei? Or Creation rebirth?

This is a weaker version of Byakugou, it also regenerates the body, by releasing chakra from the seal once. But it doesn't keep regenerating the body, like Byakugou does. And that's because Byakugou keeps releasing chakra from the seal, when the seal runs out of it, the regeneration is over.
CR It's like activating Byakugou and shut it down when all the wounds were already healed.

The thing is Creation Rebirth doesn't use the entire chakra stored in the seal, in that one regeneration it provides, remember?
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Even after this jutsu, Byakugou is not off the table:
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So, coming back to my old point, Sakura only have to use CR to counter the affected Juuken area of her body, the load of chakra will, plus the regeneration properties will recover her chakra network, just like Naruto did against Neji. And Keep doing it all the times she gets hit and her seal allows her to do so.
Her using twin lion fists ... Or seeing if she knows rotation or not.

At the time being, Hinata should be able to prevent Sakura from using her byakugo seal with a jyuuken strike, as we saw Neji do to Kidomaru's curse seal ... And perhaps take down katsuyu using the same method Neji used to take out Kidomaru's summoning spider.

Though I'm thinking hashirama may somehow undo the Genesis Tree thing .... Maybe.
  1. Hinata doesn't have rotation
  2. Even if she had it:
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    Part 1 Naruto, with his worst Kyuubi cloak ever, and his poor chakra control was able to counter it.
    CES had broke Madara's Susanno:
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    So, you mean someone who doesn't even canonically mastered Kaiten yet, can counter CES with it? Please...
  3. What Neji did yo Kidomaru, was disrupting his chakra flow, while the seal was active, so the cursed chakra was flowing in his chakra flow, that's why he was transformed, If the chakra is inside the seal then nothing will happen to Byakugou or CR.
  4. Hinata is not touching Sakura, she is not that smart, or that fast, the thing is Hinata never had any talent to be a shinobi:
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    Even I hated that guy, but he did said something important. Hanabi is better than Hinata, and she is 5 years younger, Neji is even better than Hanabi, so it's not like they are just great, Hinata is the one that is just... well.... let's say not good.
  5. Really? Hinanta can't even handle Sakura speed or her CES, and she is supposed to handle both her and Katsuyu? Pretty fair...
 

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Same goes for Hinata. Sakura has range so she can attack from distance too
Thank you for bringing this up. You just reminded me of something.

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Databook states air palm has aspects of gentle fist.

What are the aspects of gentle fist? Closing coils, damaging organs, and destroying chakra.

Meaning air palm is essentially a ranged jyuuken. Also note that the databook speaks of both the speed at which the attack is executed and the force it applies... We saw the force of this attack with Hiashi and Hinata...

So an air palm to sakura's massive forehead will lead to severe brain damage ... And seeing as how brain cells can't divide to replace themselves (what yin seal does), Sakura gers smacked in the forhead, becomes mentally retarded and loses the match.

as if Hinata have shown she is much better than that.
Pretty much

Should i say Hinata dies due to loss of bodily fluids at the thought of Naruto-kun?
Don't be so lowly
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I'm not being lowly ... Its true that would happen ... If sasuke is mentioned. ... But y'kniw, if Naruto is mentioned that'll just make Hinata more determined to win Lol

It was an ambigous scan, and they seem to dodge that together . Also she got less panels to do anything. She have survived those spikes so she could have dodged them at some point.
no it isn't. You can clearly see Kakashi's fingers on her arm, pulling her toward him.


What rotation?
I mean Heavenly Spin


Snakes are quite swift animals, judging by the way how Aoda manevoured between numerous Juubi clones:

Of course, but the fact that katsuyu's target was so large yet sehe still missed ... It loses credibility... O I don't see it hitting something much smaller
It requires certain time to channel chakra fully if it has to travel distance:



Katsuyu's unharmed part can simply split away.

Oh and in few seconds someone can very well throw a punch.
I was referring to these scans




That was like 5 seconds at most.
 
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