Army deserters. Do we shoot them or promote them?

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Seriously... OP why would you post a US problem on an international forum. I know its a source of Social interaction and a good place to vent but... really? Most people hate our country without ever looking from our perspective because they assume we never look from theirs... I really think this is just gonna divide people against eachother.

Politics and religion. You dont talk about god in the white house and you dont talk about The president at church and you talk about neither in the company of friends. Didnt anyone ever tell you that...
 

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Right, again, I said he deserves punishment, but let's not be bar-****ing-baric about it.

Also, keep in mind, there are a bunch of Americans who share his views and smoke pot. I'm assuming they're next on the list if they get captured somehow? I would hope not anyway.

See now you're completely missing the point. It isn't that he got high. So long as he stays on post nobody really would have given a shit so long as he kept it on the down low. But the fact that he left a military post. In a war zone. To get high. Is selfish, stupid, and down right wrong. I myself have smoked and am a firm supporter of legalization of marijuana as are about oh 99% of the military. As I have stated before. Most of us were potheads with little future ahead of us before we joined. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue at hand.
Let me break it down for you.

1. Soldiers swear an oath saying we will obey the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Unfortunately that includes NOT smoking. Most of us want to do it. Most of us don't. The ones that do get caught and get kicked out. We all know the rules. You break them. **** you. Your fault. Zero tolerance.

2. SOLDIERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ABANDON THEIR FOBS ESPECIALLY IN A COMBAT ZONE. That is desertion. A crime designed to punish cowards and TRAITORS.

3. If good people die trying to save you from a situation you purposely put yourself in. You ****ed up. Real bad. Might as well kill yourself because you are beyond redemption

4. If somebody dies to save you from a situation you put yourself in then you definitely do not speak against something they stood for in the process. Seriously. They train us on how to handle these situations. He did absolutely nothing that followed those guide lines. He just gave up everything. Without even putting up a fight. I'm sure almost everyone here would at least attempt to resist torture before giving in. If only for self respect and spite for the enemy.

5. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews. That's just half of the men who died looking for this jerk off. Every one of those names comes along with a family. Every one of those names is somebody who was trying to better their life. Every one of those names was somebody who followed the oath that they swore. Husbands, fathers, sons, brothers, and friends. Gone because of this *******.

Feel free to disagree with the government. I do. You do not however excuse this man from the pain he has cause for his own selfishness.
 

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Looks like they all watch NARUTO, and here people say it's not realistic,lel.

Well, you don't know the full story so STFU. I mean what are your sources? Some shit news channels? Please don't say yes.

P.S. Did anyone else got reminded of HOMELAND?
 

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Looks like they all watch NARUTO, and here people say it's not realistic,lel.

Well, you don't know the full story so STFU. I mean what are your sources? Some shit news channels? Please don't say yes.

P.S. Did anyone else got reminded of HOMELAND?

The OP is/was actually a soldier so his sources must be accurate.

OT - The guy needs to be punished for sure though I won't comment on how he should be punished. It's irresponsible for a military man to leave his post in an active combat zone.
 
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God forbid you don't want to kill people and risk your life for reasons that are highly likely to be fabricated to cover ulterior motives.
 

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Alright, now that I got the insight that you were a soldier before, I am assuming that your source are right. So **** my previous comment.

Now,OT, I agree that he shouldn't have got promotion at all and should have been removed from the military, snatched his entire medal of honours, if that douchebag actually had any, and be put to rot in jail. But death punishment is also accepted, though it may seems cruel to normal masses, which would cause stupid votes harm of stupid civilians, who in every ****ing democracy exist and actually vote for the most stupid reasons and 90% of the time can't even justify their opinion of why they voted for whosoever they voted. And leaving ****ing terrorists is a joke, for any country, and they do it only for vote gain. Lives of few is nothing against millions.
 

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Let's get things straight. Those 4 men who killed Americans protected their own country from your country.

Don't you even dare bring up the fact that Americans can be perceived as the terrorists to the countries they are "saving from terrorism". EVERY country needs more democracy and freedom.
 

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I understand where you are coming from with this.

Like it or not, he's our piece of shit - and he belongs in our custody.

That said, the first thing I thought about when I heard this story was: "Five years... What in the ****?" Then Obama had to open his mouth.... the POS can't even pay enough attention at his briefings to say "corpsman" properly and dares to suggest he's the commander in chief? And bargaining with the Taliban? Seriously?

My main grievance is with the handling of this whole situation. The moment we knew where he was, it should have been a scene right out of Apocalypse Now - Ride of The Valkyries playing, and not a moving taliban member left. Then, if our POS survived, we bring him back and make him face a court martial.

He is held to the UCMJ, the Army Core Values, and Code of Conduct. At the very least he sat through a SERE briefing (more likely half a million of the damned things).

That does feel like a bit of a **** move because his family was worried about him (and his actions aren't necessarily their fault) - then they see him get put on trial for being stupid and getting captured (or possibly turning himself in... that may be something we never truly know).

Then you are going to have a media explosion over it.

I understand why they are trying to spin this into a happy story - but I think it does more to harm the morale of our good armed service members and our national image than it does good on any other front. The administration is taking a thrashing over the VA (and the media isn't really doing their job there, either - the fool ran his 2008 campaign on cleaning up the VA and you don't actually hear the clips of him talking about it six years ago on prime time news) and wanted some kind of troop victory.

It wouldn't surprise me if they agreed to the prisoner transaction simply to give the President's administration something 'positive' to run with.

Meanwhile:
 

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Depends why they quit if I was a soldier and orders to kill civs i would desert io

course non think American soldiers would ever do that

In his case a beating or walk of shame
 

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Great guy. U.S. army and agencies are not in place to criticise this man. The biggest terroristof our age is usa. Hypocrites need to gtfo f the middle east.
 

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Take them off from the military.

Where's the camaraderie? Getting his own comrades killed for nothing. Even if he feels that there is no need to fight that war he is in, that's not something that he should do.
 

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Great guy. U.S. army and agencies are not in place to criticise this man. The biggest terrorist of our age is usa. Hypocrites need to gtfo f the middle east.
Not sure about middle east but the point of US fighting conventional warfare with those nomad guerrillas in Afghanistan is stop them from attacking americans preventing them from doing another 9/11..thats what it seems

OT: He deserves to be punished but there are lot of incidents such people are glorified when they are brought back to the country by the governments for their show off
 

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If a drunk driver deserves to go to jail for 20 years for drinking, driving, then killing a family of five. How does this guy get off for deserting to get high, getting twelve people killed, then talking shit about the cause they died for? Then comes home unbruised and safe after he gets traded for four times his worth to the enemy?

So you're comparing going to jail and murdering someone? Wow.

Besides, there is no punishment in death.
 

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Bergdahl Rescued.

Let's set something straight so I can point out how horribly the U.S. Congress is running the military right now.

Bergdahl is an American soldier that has been in Taliban custody for the last five years. He ended up in Taliban custody because he purposely left his post in the back of an Afghan contractor truck to smoke hashish and discuss how ashamed he was of American actions against the Middle East. He was then captured and held hostage. Without a single bruise or sign of starvation he openly railed against the U.S. Military and their presence in Afghanistan. As soon as he was reported missing ALL air assets in Afghanistan were diverted to helping find this piece of human stool costing other soldiers their lives as well as the lives of several soldiers sent to look for him on the ground. He was then promoted to the rank of Sergeant while he was captured automatically without having to go to a company, battalion, or promotion board, let alone "grind" for points like the rest of us.

The U.S. Government decided to trade 4 known terrorists for this individual. Four known terrorists that have taken American lives. To get back what? A deserter. A shitbag. The living embodiment of what todays Army strives to weed out. Why? Because we don't leave anyone behind. The fact that we actually negotiated with terrorists for this living piece of human fecal material is a testament to how for our congress has fallen in its drive to gain votes through the ignorance of voters.

This is a perfect example of how the U.S. Congress has driven the modern military into the ground. By rewarding deserters with a sob story and shitting on heroes that were assigned to classified missions. There is no more integrity or loyalty in the field anymore. Only votes.

I want to vomit right now. Maybe its because the knee jerk reaction to this news was to get filthy drunk but I really can't stand the thought of working for these people anymore if they reward someone who by all rights should be standing in front of a firing squad right now while they steal our hard earned benefits.

I'm glad I'm not reenlisting. I'm done with this bullshit.

i don't remember where i heard it but someone said: "cowardice is the only reason a soldier comes back from war unharmed".

not everybody should be in the army, i think i would do very poorly if i was sent to war. the real problem is why did they take him in the first place? this probably wasn't his first misconduct. there shouldn't be a punishment, he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
 

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Not sure about middle east but the point of US fighting conventional warfare with those nomad guerrillas in Afghanistan is stop them from attacking americans preventing them from doing another 9/11..thats what it seems

OT: He deserves to be punished but there are lot of incidents such people are glorified when they are brought back to the country by the governments for their show off

That just made me cringe.
The point of U.S. killing 3000 of it's own populace is to create a reason to invade the middle-east and justify the bloody expansion of their new roman empire.
 

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That just made me cringe.
The point of U.S. killing 3000 of it's own populace is to create a reason to invade the middle-east and justify the bloody expansion of their new roman empire.
I wasn't aware we had conspiracy theorists here.
 

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America is way too corrupt to be fixed anymore.
 

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Shoot them? Nope.
 

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Guys it's simple, we need to go bomb countries to save those countries from bombing themselves, you follow me?
 
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