Why Not Overthrow The Feudal Lords?

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Well there has been something that has been bothering me for a while ever since Kishi like never revealed where Rikudou's mom came from. The fact that the Shinju was located in the fire country and who was responsible for guarding the Holy tree. The fact that how did Feudal lords originate in Naruto world. Well I think I am thinking too much about this but oh well let me discuss this and see what happens.

1. There are Kings in all Eras

Well I am saying this simply because I believe that when Kaguya came to the fire country from another country far away there was a leader that was the head currently when she came. Yes she is described as a princess meaning there is a kingdom she came from which can be either from a Feudal Lord's family or just from a kingdom. Now lets assume that she came from a Feudal lord's family, if so then it would mean she was a Daimyo as when she was alive and controlled the whole country. Now let's look at the below scan:
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this scan above makes it sound like the fire country belongs to the daimyos, which I belive if Kaguya was a Daimyo back then then his children should be the ones to rule.

2. Why Hashirama and Madara Did not Overthrow The Daimyos then?

If we look at these scans below:
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Seems like to me the Diamyos wanted to erase the 2 clans from the fire country so they were yet to suceed, meaning the Daimyos were Senju and Uchiha enemies thus they should have been destroyed because I'm sure that the clans did suffer death to their clan members due to Feudal Lords attacks.

Well we all know Hashirama wanted peace so like we can say the Senju clan wanted peace. But if you look at the Uchiha they always have had given me an impression of that only the strong should rule so why did they fall under the rule of the Fuedal Lords? Yeah I know they usually pay them for the missions they do for them, but still if you look at this at anothe angle of that when you overthrow a king you take their wealth as well so that should not be used as an excuse.

3. The Feudal Lords Power

If we look at how the Daimyos have power or control over the countries of the Shinobi while I think the Daimyos have no potential to manipulate chakra. Well besides from that they have The Twelve Guardian Ninja as their guardians which are taken from any region in the country. They had the power to manipulate other clans using money meaning the only clans that they likely were unable to manipulate was the Uchiha and senju. Now I think it should be clear who destroyed the Uzumaki clan it was the clans hired by the Feudal Lords. They also have the fire temple which even now I dunno what the temple function is for. But when you look at it closely most monks at the temple are able to use hermit power. Yes I mean the Gift of the Hermit Group
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Well with this power I suppose the feudal lords are really powerful but also I do not think they can be able to survive an assualt coming from the strongest clans which is Uchiha and Senju.

So now in essence the Senju and Uchiha clans possess more power than the feudal lords yet it seems that they did not wanna overthrow them and become the country heads themselves. Well I suppose one can say they did it for the sake of peace, or rather to from a village system meaning they allowed them to stay alive so that they can get missions from them and ofcourse get their money like that Daimyo's wife who has a rebellious cat
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4. Another Reason to Abolish Them

Remember what Tendou pain said to naruto about this cycle of pain? Well here is a scan below if you have forgotten:

It seems to me that the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Ninja Wars were also influenced greatly by the Feudal Lords in order to protect their interests. Well of course Hashi did not know this or couldn't predict it that which means he never would have thought of it. This also Meaning for a village system to continue and prosper the hidden villages must continue to wage war against each other. Because if hey don't the villages will be bankrupted. A great example of this is the Chuunin exam which is held like twice a year in different regions. They make those exams so that the villages can gain money from the exam tickets and other stuff like food and trading when people come to the city. The village system is the cause of all pain in the ninja world and the ones who are the driving monopolies of this system are the Daimyos meaning they should die and let there be no Daimyos...

I hope you enjoyed reading so thanks guys I will be very happy to read your replies to this.
 
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Wow, great establishments. I can see this ending up as a way to break the cycle of hatred, potentially.

Imagine a plot-twist where the Lords turn out to be evil and are actually the final villains?
 

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They need money.
Well they survived pretty good in the past before Konoha was formed, I don't think money is the real issue here.. and lols I always am sad to say this when people post without reading that just shows that... I mean like you posted here just to be the 1st poster and after 1 min
 

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<div class="bbWrapper">You have a good theory here Hori.<br /> Although I'm not sure if it would break the cycle of hate but it might be a good start.<br /> Nice job.</div>
 

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Wow, great establishments. I can see this ending up as a way to break the cycle of hatred, potentially.

Imagine a plot-twist where the Lords turn out to be evil and are actually the final villains?
Lol yeah that will be very awesome and seems like a way for Naruto to contunue

Yeah I was staring to think that Sasuke would start killing them
Ahahaha they better becareful because Sasuke might lay eyes on him

You have a good theory here Hori.
Although I'm not sure if it would break the cycle of hate but it might be a good start.
Nice job.
Thanks for your kind words... but if you look at the intentions of the Feudal Lords they have been wanting to rule their respective countries...
 

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<div class="bbWrapper">Yeah they're all a bunch of crooks.</div>
 

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Well they survived pretty good in the past before Konoha was formed, I don't think money is the real issue here.. and lols I always am sad to say this when people post without reading that just shows that... I mean like you posted here just to be the 1st poster and after 1 min
They survied in the past with huts and tents. The villages requires the support of the Lords to run. There where also no civilians before the villages where formed, everyone was forced to fight.
 

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A really good theory, maybe this could be one of the possible endings to Naruto, the lords being overthrown, thus ending the cycle of hatred and whatnot
 

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I believe when Sasuke become hokage,he will purge out the system.Firstly he will kill the reminding elder of the leaf because i sure they will not want him as hokage,then he will kill the feudal lord .Proabably Tsunade will take the place as elder .
 

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They survied in the past with huts and tents. The villages requires the support of the Lords to run. There where also no civilians before the villages where formed, everyone was forced to fight.
Do you realise that they had Hashirama on their side and Hashi can easily create Houses uses his KKG like how Yamato did so your argument there is invalid thus the shinobi lived quite a life because they were still acting as mercenaries and complete other jobs, and we both know assassination rewards are very expensive

A really good theory, maybe this could be one of the possible endings to Naruto, the lords being overthrown, thus ending the cycle of hatred and whatnot
Yes it might although we still need a lot of speculation from it because its still a mystery as to how Daimyos came to be

I believe when Sasuke become hokage,he will purge out the system.Firstly he will kill the reminding elder of the leaf because i sure they will not want him as hokage,then he will kill the feudal lord .Proabably Tsunade will take the place as elder .
I thought Hashirama and Madara were the ones we were discussing about.. I suppose you cannot resist to include Sasuke in your posts.

interesting theard u got here lemme read
Well I think I should be happy because my mission was complete now lol
 

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Do you realise that they had Hashirama on their side and Hashi can easily create Houses uses his KKG like how Yamato did so your argument there is invalid thus the shinobi lived quite a life because they were still acting as mercenaries and complete other jobs, and we both know assassination rewards are very expensive



Yes it might although we still need a lot of speculation from it because its still a mystery as to how Daimyos came to be



I thought Hashirama and Madara were the ones we were discussing about.. I suppose you cannot resist to include Sasuke in your posts.



Well I think I should be happy because my mission was complete now lol
The villange isn't made only with wood. They needed stones to build buildings that would last. They also needed land to build the village, along with crops, furniture,weapons, textiles, and paper. Which they all g9t from the Lords.
They also needed skilled craftsmen and traders. Which were all supplied by the Lords also.
 

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Beacuse History teaches us that if you create a power vacuum there will most definitely will be strife and power struggle leading to more blood shed (There are ALWAYS Loyalists, opportunists, rouges and dissenters). The Fudal Lords actually own the entirety country's land if not nearly all of its assets, if the wealth is simply taken by the Shinobi then the vacuum is merely filled by a more militant group so eventually same problem will arise (+ more bloodshed), if Lord's are just killed there WILL be chaos, if there is a too DRASTIC a change introduced then also there WILL be a chaos .... anywhere you turn there same problems will arise eventutally, its not the problem of any system its problem of Life itself. There will always be wars, strife and bloodshed ... only thing that can be done is to ensure that there is no mindless deaths.
 

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I never actually thought of this. The Daimyos would probably never cross my mind, if I haven't read this. I agree, now that I think of it, they pay shinobi to do a lot of stuff. From finding a cat, to killing a person. Now I kind of got back to the point where Zabuza said ninjas are tools, he was right. It all makes sense now.
While there is a war raging, only thing they care about, are not countries, but their own safety.
Mei is a kage, Mizukage, highly respected by a lot of shinobi, the head of Kirigakure. Yet, she was supposed to guard the Feudal Lords, to keep them safe, even tho she is a leader herself. This only proves that they put shinobi beneath them, they consider shinobi as tools.
I completely agree.
 
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