Lee and Guy are not hard workers. They're unnatural workers.

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People always hype up Lee and Guy so much for how hard they work while they bash people like Naruto, Sasuke and Madara. Their arguments are stupid. Lee and Guy are just unnaturally hard workers that shouldn't be thought of as the standard of who works hard and who doesn't!

Look at Madara: He constantly trained as a kid with both Izuna and Hashirama. This was shown in both Itachi's genjutsu of Madara and in Hashirama's flashback. Therefore Madara earned the power that he had then along with his sharingan.

He either put in the effort to kill his friend or he simply saw his friend die in battle. Therefore he actually suffered for and earned his mangekyou sharingan.

He had to suffer the loss of his little brother Izuna to get the EMS. Therefore he did go through some hardship for that!

He had to fight Hashirama for his DNA in that epic battle at the valley of end! Fighting Hashirama and surviving is no simple task! Therefore Madara did earn his rinnegan and mokuton.

Finally, Madara had to defeat Hashirama, Naruto, Bee, the tailed beasts, Tobirama, and Sasuke all before becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki! Therefore he rightfully earned that power!

Anything that you fight and suffer for is earned. Stealing power is valid in the shinobi world since stealing is actually all apart of being a ninja! You people hype up Orochimaru all the time and his goal is to literally steal all the power he can, yet you hypocritical people bash the epic Madara for not being a failure at it like that pathetic Orochimaru!

As you can see, Madara has shed plenty of blood, sweat and tears to get to where he is now!

That is why it irritates me to hear idiots bash people like him and other people like Naruto and Sasuke who have suffered and worked for their power!

Do you really not think that fighting all of those people and losing your friends and family is not hard work?!!!!

You're a fool if you think that! People have different methods of working hard!!! Not everybody is going to go run 10,000 laps in 5 seconds!

What really ticks me off is that you people want everyone to be weak!!!!! Don't we already have shows like spongebob for that?!!!!

Seriously! All of these Lee/Guy advocators forget one thing! Yes they work hard, but you still need to actually win battles!

Think about it:
Lee lost to Gaara and Neji.
Guy had to kill himself to even do damage to Madara!

You should not have to kill yourself to fight an opponent!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Back to the main point: You don't have to train for a long time just to be a hard worker!

Just because Naruto learned stuff like shadow clones and rasenshuriken quickly, doesn't mean that he doesn't work hard!!!!!!!!!

Learning quickly is called efficiency!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you hate efficiency?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love efficiency! I don't want to see boring weak people!!!!

I would have so much more respect for Lee if he actually did something epic and won a major battle!!!!!!! However, he doesn't. He is inefficient in that he doesn't even seem to try out Guy's techniques in the gates like morning peacock!! Lee should at least be able to do something like that considering that he can go 6th gate! He is just being inefficient! You people dare praise that as hard work!!!!?

Efficiency is what hard work really is! Tell me who the harder worker is in this scenario: The bridge builder that spends 100 years building a bridge or the builder that spends an hour building it?

It is obviously the one who only spent an hour!!!!!!!! He is the one who actually took the time to think of a way to be more efficient!!!

You people get pure failure mixed up with hard work!!!!!!!

You do not have to constantly fail to be a hard worker!!!!!! I don't know what is wrong with people!! They always want to bash successful people, but then they love to hype up people who are constantly failing or being pathetic (like Orochimaru or Lee) and then they want to call that hard work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Success= hard work no matter how short the time is!!!!

Failing= Failing even if it takes a long time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know why fans are so attracted to failing!

I am done. Sorry but I just had to get this rant out of my system.

Ps. Lee isn't pathetic. Only orochimaru is. Lee just went into the general weak category that I was talking about.
 

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In EVERY thread you make, you take the time to bash Orochimaru. It's getting pathetic now, lmfao.

OT: No.
 

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What really ticks me off is that you people want everyone to be weak!!!!! Don't we already have shows like spongebob for that?!!!!.
Lol

I do agree that others besides Lee and Guy work hard, and they shouldn't be the standard for training.
 

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WT, DR...

Well, they go beyond reasoning while training... So, I agree with the title...
 

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So wait implanting your brother's eyes is natural?
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And lets not forget that Guy by working hard is capable of hurting Madara, could tell me anyone that even hurted Madara eversince he got the rinnegan
 

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There are so many things wrong with this thread. I don't even know where to start.......
 

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Sasuke was born talented, with sharingan
Madara was born genius, high chakra + sharingan
Naruto was born with Strong chakra, and given kyuubi which is the strongest tailed beast.

Lee & Gai, aren't born talented, nor their bloodlimist is anything special, and yet Gai just wrecked Madara which happened to bu Juubi host+rinnegan+Mokton

stop bashing on them, they are truely hardworkers.
 
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Guess who is the third hardest worker? ( '.')

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Zoro is the definition of HARD WORK if you kept up with One Piece.

Was a weakling who got beat up by a chick now look at em about to Rival the Top 10 in One Piece

Mihawk YES IS TOP 10 at the moment.
 

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Zoro is the definition of HARD WORK if you kept up with One Piece.

Was a weakling who got beat up by a chick now look at em about to Rival the Top 10 in One Piece

Mihawk YES IS TOP 10 at the moment.

You realize this is the Naruto Discussion Section. Not the overhyped piece of trash section?
 

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What?Gai and Lee are the perfect example of hard work,they train their asses off day after day.
 

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I consider Guy and Lee hard workers because they don't have special bloodlines to aid them, yet they can cause major damage to Madara.
 

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This reminds me of a quote one of my teachers told me : Don't study hard, study effectively. You're making a good point.
 

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I consider Guy and Lee hard workers because they don't have special bloodlines to aid them, yet they can cause major damage to Madara.

Yet they must die to do it. I don't know about you or anyone else, but I would only consider my hard work a success if I actually got to live to use it again.
 

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You do realise that their sense of success is different right?

Objective defines success, not sheer outcome.

Lee did not want to solo NV. He wanted to be great ninja, and he became one as even Hashirama defined a good ninja as someone "who endures to achieve his goals".

Gai's father told him that "the real victory is not beating someone, it is protecting something dear". And he is protecting something dear to him instead of sitting on his ass to not cost his life.

Lee could not defeat Neji and he died. His main goal was getting acknowledged by Neji, he is not a violent or blood lusted person.

Lee could not beat Gaara. But he protected his ninja way, what is precious to him.

Could not beat Kimimaro. ****in hell give the guy a break he got out of hospital and fighting Orochimaru's prized vessel. Also he protected his friend, Naruto. So again, he protected something precious.

Bear in mind that Neji, Gaara, Kimimaro were strongest people of that generation at that time. Giving them a fight or getting acknowledged as opponents is better than beating someone weak like Tenten or Hinata.

Same with Gai, the guy have beaten an Akatsuki ffs. Fought jinchuuriku, made counter for sharingan, mastered weapons, taijutsu, kinjutsu. Right now, he can stand up against Juubi's jin, something many people can't do anything even at the cost at their own lives.


You simply define a character by win or loss as what the board says. Too bad Kishi made characters and objectives deeper than your 3rd grade understanding. Nice Orochimaru bashing as always btw.
You alway make wall of texts on how others complain, compare etc. while all you do is bickering on what people think.
Get the hell over with it.
 
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