The power of ashura gained that equal to indra's

[TrollKing]

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He doesn't have to say it again, because we know it already. Hagoromo refers just to the strong chakra at the beginning of chapter 670. Nothing more, nothing less.

This scan is refered by Tobi, and so6p seems to reinterpreted Tobi's version quite a bit. Because base on Tobi, indra was a scrawny dude with powerful eyes, but so6p said indra inherited his powerful eyes and good genes. Then so6p went on called indra perfect. Tobi's version is identical to so6p's, but definitely not the same

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

So6god said his good gene(body power) went straight to indra, and the young one just no good

It's like Ultimateone said, Indra had the sharigan that made it easier for him to learn techniques (Just copy jutsu). Things just came naturally to him, while Ashura had to train hard to unlock his own power.

 

[Behemoth55]

This scan is refered by Tobi, and so6p seems to reinterpreted Tobi's version quite a bit.

Nope, not in a single way. The inherited powers by Ashura are the same. Your whole argumentation is based on a misbelief. Hagoromo has confirmed Obitos statement regarding Indras and Ashuras power. He said, only one got his strong chakra. If you would read chapter 670 again and take a look at these scan, you would realise it's all right so far.

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[TrollKing]

Nope, not in a single way. The inherited powers by Ashura are the same. Your whole argumentation is based on a misbelief. Hagoromo has confirmed Obitos statement regarding Indras and Ashuras power. He said, only one got his strong chakra. If you would read chapter 670 again and take a look at these scan, you would realise it's all right so far.

To be precise is the "no good" and the "excellent one", there's no balance in power like you want. The only way it balance in the beginning is 0% vs 100% or 10% vs 90% if I'm being generous.

My argument is base on so6p word to word, not Tobi or madara

 

[Behemoth55]

You should differentiate between potential and talent. You don't have a valid argument. Ashura had just to take his time to become powerful.

 

[TrollKing]

You should differentiate between potential and talent.

Obviously ashura had potential; otherwise naruto won't have chakara pool and hashirama cell would only worth as much as a penny. However this chapter the so6p indeed brought us something we didn't expect, which is different than our popular beliefs(aka Tobi's)

 

[TrollKing]

You should differentiate between potential and talent.

Obviously ashura had potential; otherwise naruto won't have chakara pool and hashirama cell would only worth as much as a penny. However this chapter the so6p indeed brought us something we didn't expect, which is different than our popular beliefs(aka Tobi's)

The potential part is really complicated. I can't really say indra has less potential while being a genius. I think I will just leave the potential part

 

[Behemoth55]

Obviously ashura had potential; otherwise naruto won't have chakara pool and hashirama cell would only worth as much as a penny. However this chapter the so6p indeed brought us something we didn't expect, which is different than our popular beliefs(aka Tobi's)

And that's simply wrong. Ashura gained the same power as his brother due to hard work. Tobis argumentation is absolute right and you don't have a single, valid argument to dissent it.

 

[TrollKing]

And that's simply wrong. Ashura gained the same power as his brother due to hard work. Tobis argumentation is absolute right and you don't have a single, valid argument to dissent it.

Tobi said ashura inherited the sage powerful body. So6p said indra inherited all the good stuffs and ashura didn't(inherit anything apparently). He had to work hard to let his chakara bloom(not through inheritance). That is quite different

 

[Champ]

Biju's or Juubi chakra

 

[Behemoth55]

Tobi said ashura inherited the sage powerful body. So6p said indra inherited all the good stuffs and ashura didn't(inherit anything apparently).

Nope, Hagoromo didn't say that.
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[shelke]

Pot meets Kettle through time. If you know what I mean.

 

[TrollKing]

Nope, Hagoromo didn't say that.
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He also noted eyes too, but he didn't say ashura inherited anything at all. "No good ashura" vs "excellent one". It's really clear its not the 50% body 50% eyes argument already. Indra simply got everything, its obviously not fair, and this is what it shows here , not me making it up

 

[Behemoth55]

He also noted eyes too, but he didn't say ashura inherited anything at all.

Because we know already which powers he got. Ashura is the anscestor of the Senju and he handed down the special body and so on to his descendants. Actually, that's fact. Indra didn't have everything of his father.

 

[TrollKing]

Because we know already which powers he got. Ashura is the anscestor of the Senju and he handed down the special body and so on to his descendants. Actually, that's fact. Indra didn't have everything of his father.

If indra didn't inherit everything, then by so6god calling indra excellent or perfect is an overstatement. Excellent meaning 90-100%. Without a strong body is only 50%.

 

[Behemoth55]

If indra doesn't, by so6god calling indra excellent or perfect is an overstatement.

No, because Indra was a genius that could do everything on his own. Indra had strong eyes and strong chakra. That has been mentioned in chapter 670 explicitly. If Indra had the whole power of Hagoromo, he would have awoke a Rinnegan and no Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan.

You associate that statement of Hagoromo with a wrong context. In the beginning the strong chakra had made the difference between Ashura and Indra, but due to his training, Ashura could achieve the same level of power as his brother.

 

[KidGamer65]

Anyone who is capable of reading the manga correctly would tell you that Ashura's power came from himself.

 

[Element Master]

Nope, Hagoromo didn't say that.
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good Job +rep

He also noted eyes too, but he didn't say ashura inherited anything at all. "No good ashura" vs "excellent one". It's really clear its not the 50% body 50% eyes argument already. Indra simply got everything, its obviously not fair, and this is what it shows here , not me making it up

it was never said that Ashura didn't get anything, Ashura just Didn't get Strong chakra. Instead Ashura got life force and Yang-Chakra that needed to be Trained and Harness with took time and Help from others

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[TrollKing]

No, because Indra was a genius that could do everything on his own. Indra had strong eyes and strong chakra. That has been mentioned in chapter 670 explicitly. If Indra had the whole power of Hagoromo, he would have awoke a Rinnegan and no Sharingan/Mangekyo Sharingan.

You associate that statement of Hagoromo with a wrong context. In the beginning the strong chakra had made the difference between Ashura and Indra, but due to histraining, Ashura could achieve the same level of power as his brother.

He was called genius because of his inherented eyes and good genes. What kind of eyes or jutsu he had, we don't really know. You basically assume he didn't have any when so6p wanking indra like there's no tomorrow. So6p didn't put a stop on his wank on indra by saying he didn't have this or that.

Base on this chapter, everything was handed out to indra from birth while ashura was the opposite. There's no body eyes inheritance at all here. Indra took all

 

[TrollKing]

good Job +rep

it was never said that Ashura didn't get anything, Ashura just Didn't get Strong chakra. Instead Ashura got life force and Yang-Chakra that needed to be Trained and Harness with took time and Help from others

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Do you expect so6god explain everything ashura didn't have when he got nothing?? So6god simply say didn't which means everything relevant on that context. Good genes and chakara and powerful eyes are pretty much everything in ninja world unless you go rock lee