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^^No-calling a dumb post dumb is like calling a spade a spade. If anyone thinks that EMS sasuke(no ps) is equal to MS sasuke, then they need to read the manga again.
SM naruto VS EMS sasuke
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Another baseless claim. What is asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
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Wrong, some things in life are blatantly obvious. For example, if I claim that "Current Naruto beats Darui neg diff", I have no need to prove it-since it's as obvious as the sky is blue.
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some things that are obviously true to some people are obviously wrong to others. What matters is fact and evidence, the one who provides it is the right one.
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Lol wtf ^ @TheMist dont waste your time on those noobs, comparing ems sasuke (no ps) to ms sasuke is stupid, ems is obviously improved lmaoo... common sense isnt common anymore smh
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Your method is flawed. It requires Sasuke to sit there and watch as Naruto makes clones and spreads out around his Susanoo. One widespread usage of Amaterasu or a horizontal swipe of the Enton Blade would take care of his clones. Even Enton Magatama would be enough in this scenario. His Susanoo gets added mobility via Aoda so that isn't an issue here.
Being able to hollow out a Mountain isn't anything special, Weaker Susanoo have already tanked much much worse attacks (Kirin) So a level 4 isn't going to fall to a Rasengan barrage of all things. Not to mention that was Naruto, in his mind, won't even be surprised if he can't pull that off in the real world.
Are we really going to do this nonsense? When you can tell me why it would be unusable for a Legged V3 when a Non legged V3 can use it just fine, then you will have an argument on this part. On the other hand, I can tell you why he didn't use Enton.
-Only Senjutsu can hurt Juubi Jins.
-Jugo infused SUSANOO with Senjutsu Chakra. Not Enton as Enton is not part of Susanoo, its coming from Sasuke who uses it via his Susanoo, so only the Susanoo and its weapons would have Senjutsu in them. The only way for Enton to have Senjutsu is if Sasuke himself was using Senjutsu Chakra.
-So the standard style was the only way to go.
This Susanoo was keeping pace with the BM Avatar, and was able to tag a flying Juubito, who is faster than SM Naruto. Do you really think that Naruto is ever going to get time to make this FRS? The moment he sees Naruto make it, an Enton Arrow slams right into it and turns into pure flame, which would kill Naruto right then and there. If he manages to throw it, Amaterasu lights it up and still turns into pure flame.
No, its clear to anyone reading the manga that using Amaterasu while in Susanoo is only dangerous because of the STRAIN. The strain is completely removed due to EMS so using Amaterasu in Susanoo will have no drawback.
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Please calm down and don't say, "that's ludicrous" to my points please. I put effort into my points, and there are some of your points I could totally make fun of, but I'm not going to do that. Clones only take one handsign. Sasuke's not blitzing Naruto before anything can be done. Especially not SM Naruto.
Sage mode Naruto is leagues faster than Sasuke, so naturally, it doesn't matter if Sasuke tries to move away or not. Sage Naruto has repeatedly been shown to be faster than summons. I don't think Aoda is an exception. Especially since Naruto blitzed asura path with chakra rockets and the 3rd raikage.
You yourself are subjecting yourself to the faulty logic that you claim I'm doing. You're assuming that the Sage mode Naruto clones are just going to take Sasuke's enton attacks. A simple sword slash is not taking out SM clones.
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This is a SM clone. This is what you're saying enton sword will hit with one swipe. Naruto practically waited for a lightning spear from a very fast opponent to be virtually touching him before dodging it. Enton sword is not hitting a SM clone. As for black yasaka magatama, their only feat is a bunch of Zetsus. Each SM Naruto clone has obscenely
faster movement and reaction time. Amaterasu is the most likely, but, again, I don't think he can do it simultaneously with susanoo.
Being completely obliterated is not a tanking feat. This is all it takes to make a hole in a V3 susanoo.
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And yes, hollowing out a mountain is special. Have any idea how durable a mountain is? That makes it's attacks comparable to Kirin(not as strong, but comparable). If making a hole in a mountain isn't impressive, then neither is destroying one. A single one would damage even a V4 susnaoo. The barrage would destroy it. You're severely underestimating ransengans.[/QUOTE]
It's not just adding legs. It's increasing its size by a huge degree. You made a good case with the juubito examples, but what about the god tree?
Reread my strategy. The clones are out of Sasuke's line of sight. Therefore, prediction is useless. The clones can make an opening. I think that making a large susanoo takes too much concentration or chakra to diverge his EMS's power for enton simultaneously.
Funny thing is, the manga never said that the chakra strain on chakra was lessened, only that the shairngan becomes more powerful and doesn't lead to blindness. In no where does it state that the techniques take up less chakra.
I'm primarily jus seeing how far I can take Naruto's SM abilities. Regardless, while it's likely that with biju-sized V3 susanoo, Naruto looses, I think I've sufficiently proved that Naruto wins against the smaller-scale ones.
Amaterasu=focusing chakra in one eye and closing the other. Susanoo=requiring both eyes. Enton=using both eyes. Tell me how amaterasu is compatible with susanoo.
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Amaterasu=focusing chakra in one eye and closing the other. Susanoo=requiring both eyes. Enton=using both eyes. Tell me how amaterasu is compatible with susanoo.
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Make it BSM and then we can have a match.
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Man, Sasuke has used Amaterasu whilst using Susano'o. What the hell?
Funny, I am a regular at Manga Helpers and not a single person believes that KCM Naruto even has a chance in hell. Most people are actually intelligent on that side. BSM and EMS is a toss up for most intelligent people.
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Man, Sasuke has used Amaterasu whilst using Susano'o. What the hell?
^ Naruto section is pretty active. Amongst the most intelligent posters are Sasuke fans there. Most debaters are very respectful, never cross the line and if they do, it's instant ban-hammer.
I agree.
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But it disappeared immediately didn't it?
In order to use susanoo, you need both eyes.... Unless you're Madara and have plot on your side.
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The fact that he's focusing chakra through one eye in order to use amaterasu spawning means that the other eye is not getting the necessary power. Ever wounder why, in order to use amaterasu, you close your other eye? This by definition, is not compatible with susanoo, which is meant to be a fusion. The reason why enton works alongside susanoo and amaterasu does not is because enton requires both eyes as well.
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Sigh. Nevermind. I reread some chapters and have found a scan that demonstrates a susanoo being maintained while amaterasu was being used. As stupid and illogical as it is, it's a manga fact. My next question is. WHY IN THE HECK DOESN'T HE FREAKING USE IT?!!!
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I suggest that you find the viz scan of Obito's statement to support your claims. Then people will be force to believe Amaterasu cannot be use with Sussanoo at the same time, otherwise it will be shut down.
If not, then the argument clearly goes to one explaining: due to the strain of using 2 MS moves, will be too much for a MS user, thus why it was removed.