Sasuke might be given perfected sage mode

[saw2097]

All of this is pretty much nil when you account for the fact that the Ryuchi Cave/Kabuto/Jugo's method =/= Mt Myoboku/Naruto/Jiraiya's method.

So you believe that Sasuke will get the Rasengan, Shadow Clones, and become a Jinchuriki as well.

And Naruto should get the Rinnegan and the Chidori.

If Sasuke has Sage Mode then that would take away the uniqueness of Naruto and Sasuke's fighting styles.

And like I said before Madara can't do Sage Mode on his own, he is just using the Sage chakra from Hashirama, he can't do it without stealing it from someone else.

 

[shelke]

^ What a pointless post.

 

[saw2097]

And as for the Juugo argument, if the cells that Sasuke got from Juugo would let him use Sage Mode, why didn't he do it earlier when they were fighting Obito, instead he used Juugo to do it.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Kabuto's DSM is not Jugo's ability, as he explicitly denied it in the manga, but he obtained DSM through studying Jugo -

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. It has something to do with the secrecy of the location and Ryuchi Cave being the source of the ability, apparently - it's connected the the Jugo Clan. I agree with the rest.

Jugo was involved in the compilation of those Kabuto stole abilities from. He went to the Cave in order to control that ability, doubt Kabuto learned and perfected the mode in that short a manner without Jugo's ability.

So you believe that Sasuke will get the Rasengan, Shadow Clones, and become a Jinchuriki as well.

And Naruto should get the Rinnegan and the Chidori.

If Sasuke has Sage Mode then that would take away the uniqueness of Naruto and Sasuke's fighting styles.

And like I said before Madara can't do Sage Mode on his own, he is just using the Sage chakra from Hashirama, he can't do it without stealing it from someone else.

Sasuke gaining the highest ability of a Snake summoner in no way takes from Naruto's uniqueness. It's obvious that ability was one of the main reasons Orochimaru chose him as a vessel, saying he doesn't have the potential to utilize Sage Transformation is down right ignorant.

Unlike Madara, Sasuke can. [

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Not really sure how it would take away from their uniqueness? Sage Transformation is very, very different from the Toad Sages method.

 

[saw2097]

Jugo was involved in the compilation of those Kabuto stole abilities from. He went to the Cave in order to control that ability, doubt Kabuto learned and perfected the mode in that short a manner without Jugo's ability.



Sasuke gaining the highest ability of a Snake summoner in no way takes from Naruto's uniqueness. It's obvious that ability was one of the main reasons Orochimaru chose him as a vessel, saying he doesn't have the potential to utilize Sage Transformation is down right ignorant.

Unlike Madara, Sasuke can. [

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Not really sure how it would take away from their uniqueness? Sage Transformation is very, very different from the Toad Sages method.

Its the same concept, Naruto's style of fighting is of the body while Sasuke's is of the eyes.

Naruto's main two power ups are Sage Mode and his powers as a Jinchuriki, if Sasuke gets one of them then Naruto only has one unique upgrade. Sasuke would have his upgrade on top of his other upgrades.

Also mastering Sage Mode is one of the aspects that put Naruto as having surpassed Jiraya and Minato, Naruto mastering Senjutsu has been beaten into the ground as a major point that makes him better then them, having Sasuke master it in just a few minutes would really take that away from him.

Its like how Sasuke is said to have surpassed Itachi with his Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

[shelke]

Jugo was involved in the compilation of those Kabuto stole abilities from. He went to the Cave in order to control that ability, doubt Kabuto learned and perfected the mode in that short a manner without Jugo's ability.

Orochimaru did find the cave. We don't know when Kabuto went to Ryuchi to train after absorbing Orochimaru. The manga doesn't elaborate on it. According to Kabuto, he trained and got Jugo's ability -

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- not by stealing it from him.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Its the same concept, Naruto's style of fighting is of the body while Sasuke's is of the eyes.

Naruto's main two power ups are Sage Mode and his powers as a Jinchuriki, if Sasuke gets one of them then Naruto only has one unique upgrade. Sasuke would have his upgrade on top of his other upgrades.

Also mastering Sage Mode is one of the aspects that put Naruto as having surpassed Jiraya and Minato, Naruto mastering Senjutsu has been beaten into the ground as a major point that makes him better then them, having Sasuke master it in just a few minutes would really take that away from him.

Its like how Sasuke is said to have surpassed Itachi with his Mangekyo Sharingan.

Naruto has nothing to do with the Ryuchi Cave. Sasuke gaining an ability central to the cave, has absolutely nothing to do with Naruto. Sasuke already had a similar ability in the Cursed Seal, perfecting an ability tied to it is very much up his alley. His aptitude for the seal was noted exhaustively.

 

[saw2097]

Naruto has nothing to do with the Ryuchi Cave. Sasuke gaining an ability central to the cave, has absolutely nothing to do with Naruto. Sasuke already had a similar ability in the Cursed Seal, perfecting an ability tied to it is very much up his alley. His aptitude for the seal was noted exhaustively.

Toad Sage Mode and Snake Sage Mode are acquired the same way essentially and work the same way, the only difference is the enhancements each gives.


Cursed Seal was a inferior knock off created by Orochimaru using Juugo, the Sound 4 and Kimmimaro could also use the Cursed Seal, and Anko has one as well.

Its basically a cheap mass produced version for Senjutsu, besides Sasuke's hasn't shown the ability to use senjutsu without the cursed seal, just because he can use it doesn't indicate that he can master Sage Mode.

Orochimaru invented it and he can't use Sage Mode.

 

[shelke]

^ The manga has never shown that they are acquired the same way. Kabuto's physical attributes are vastly different.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Orochimaru did find the cave. We don't know when Kabuto went to Ryuchi to train after absorbing Orochimaru. The manga doesn't elaborate on it. According to Kabuto, he trained and got Jugo's ability -

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- not by stealing it from him.

Not really certain what to infer from his statements. He seems to assert that he obtains Jugo's Kekkei Genkai through training?

Toad Sage Mode and Snake Sage Mode are acquired the same way essentially and work the same way, the only difference is the enhancements each gives.


Cursed Seal was a inferior knock off created by Orochimaru using Juugo, the Sound 4 and Kimmimaro could also use the Cursed Seal, and Anko has one as well.

Its basically a cheap mass produced version for Senjutsu, besides Sasuke's hasn't shown the ability to use senjutsu without the cursed seal, just because he can use it doesn't indicate that he can master Sage Mode.

Orochimaru invented it and he can't use Sage Mode.

Jugo's ability is Sage "Mode", Kabuto's ability is Jugo's ability which is Sage "Mode". If Sasuke were to obtain Sage Transformation, through Kabuto's assistance, who just so happens to be utilizing Sage Transformation connected to Sasuke while pumping chakra into Sasuke's chest, which is fully made up of Jugo's cells. Sasuke trained for years using Senjutsu through the Cursed Seal, longer than Naruto, that's a given, how isn't he suitable for that ability? He's shown perhaps the highest aptitude with the Curse and Jugo's transformation of any.

 

[saw2097]

Not really certain what to infer from his statements. He seems to assert that he obtains Jugo's Kekkei Genkai through training?



Jugo's ability is Sage "Mode", Kabuto's ability is Jugo's ability which is Sage "Mode". If Sasuke were to obtain Sage Transformation, through Kabuto's assistance, who just so happens to be utilizing Sage Transformation connected to Sasuke while pumping chakra into Sasuke's chest, which is fully made up of Jugo's cells. Sasuke trained for years using Senjutsu through the Cursed Seal, longer than Naruto, that's a given, how isn't he suitable for that ability? He's shown perhaps the highest aptitude with the Curse and Jugo's transformation of any.

Sasuke has trained for years for Senjutsu, then why did he show complete ignorance on how it works when they fought Obito and when he fought Kabuto it was clear he had never heard of Sage Mode.

If Sasuke had such mastery then he should be able to use Senjutsu against Obito on his own which he didn't, he used Juugo to do it.

 

[shelke]

Not really certain what to infer from his statements. He seems to assert that he obtains Jugo's Kekkei Genkai through training?

Not Jugo's ability per say, but where his Clan's ability originates from - to be one with Nature, as Jugo clan is. Ryuchi cave seems to be the core of his Clan's ability. It's not very clearly exlained though. As Kabuto keeps mentioning that he has Nature on his side.

 

[Sage6paths]

What Kabuto is putting into Sasuke are essential a few things:

1. Hashirama's DNA (Allows huge chakra reserve and life force - This allow sage mode. We all want to see how a perfect dragon sage would looked like, dont we? After all, it would be uncool to see a Kabuto-like Sasuke).
2. Karin's DNA (Allows healing);
3. Orochimaru's DNA (Allows rebirth);
4 Hashirama gave some chakra to Sasuke (god knows that was a normal or senjutsu chakra);

Not to mention the DNA of Jugo which Sasuke already has during the fight with Killer Bee.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Sasuke has trained for years for Senjutsu, then why did he show complete ignorance on how it works when they fought Obito and when he fought Kabuto it was clear he had never heard of Sage Mode.

If Sasuke had such mastery then he should be able to use Senjutsu against Obito on his own which he didn't, he used Juugo to do it.

If he obtains the ability to passively absorb natural energy, then how does that matter? He has trained with natural energy, and knows of Jugo's ability, he does not understand the inner workings of the ability.

Not Jugo's ability per say, but where his Clan's ability originates from - to be one with Nature, as Jugo clan is. Ryuchi cave seems to be the core of his Clan's ability. It's not very clearly exlained though. As Kabuto keeps mentioning that he has Nature on his side.

I just always assumed that he had picked up Jugo's ability to passively absorb natural energy. Seemed to make sense, as he called the curse mark lacking due to it's impermanence.

 

[shelke]

^ Well Jugo's ability comes from Ryuchi cave, and Kabuto and Orochimaru's target was the reason behind his ability, which led to the site. As for passively absorbing energy then even that is a strange factor in the manga. The toad sage created a clear cut dichotomy between Silence and movement, and yet Naruto, Kabuto, and Hashirama were all shown talking as well. It's still not clear cut what kind of inhibitions exit.

If you recall, Naruto could absorb NE whilst running as well during training. He turned into a Frog though. With Training, perhaps he could've passively absorbed it as well. Though I am unsure now.

 

[Sage6paths]

Due to plot no jutsu, I think we need to accept the fact that sooner or later, Naruto and Sasuke will face Madara as a tag-team with no more help from the others. With that in mind, both WILL need to use natural energy.

We all know Naruto can use it. So we can leave him out of the discussion.

Now lets focus on Sasuke - To see how and why plot will make him learn sage mode (very likely to be perfected dragon sage mode):

1. Orochimaru's experiments shows Sasuke has the potential to be better than Madara. Note that when Oro made this comment, he already knew Madara has Rinnegan and Hashirama's DNA. How will Sasuke top this? Obviously it will need to be something like a little DNAs of Oro, Kabuto, Karin, Suigetsu, Jugo and Hashirama.

2. The dragon sage mode which Kabuto displayed is imperfect. Kishi first did it with Jiraiya where we were showed how an imperfect toad sage looks like. Now its time to show us the perfect dragon sage mode. Agree? I do want to see it for my self.

3. In terms of plot, it would be uncool for Sasuke to keep utilisie Jugo's ability to attack Madara. That would equate to Naruto, Sasuke and Jugo VS Madara. Sounds totally wrong. He needs something on his own.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Due to plot no jutsu, I think we need to accept the fact that sooner or later, Naruto and Sasuke will face Madara as a tag-team with no more help from the others. With that in mind, both WILL need to use natural energy.

We all know Naruto can use it. So we can leave him out of the discussion.

Now lets focus on Sasuke - To see how and why plot will make him learn sage mode (very likely to be perfected dragon sage mode):

1. Orochimaru's experiments shows Sasuke has the potential to be better than Madara. Note that when Oro made this comment, he already knew Madara has Rinnegan and Hashirama's DNA. How will Sasuke top this? Obviously it will need to be something like a little DNAs of Oro, Kabuto, Karin, Suigetsu, Jugo and Hashirama.

2. The dragon sage mode which Kabuto displayed is imperfect. Kishi first did it with Jiraiya where we were showed how an imperfect toad sage looks like. Now its time to show us the perfect dragon sage mode. Agree? I do want to see it for my self.

3. In terms of plot, it would be uncool for Sasuke to keep utilisie Jugo's ability to attack Madara. He needs something on his own.

what's so wrong with sasuke obtaining curse mark again?...

 

[Sage6paths]

Why not just use Curse Mark? Ask Oro and Kabuto.

They sought the teachings of the Great Snake Sage in order to learn dragon sage mode.

If Curse Mark is sufficient, they wouldnt venture that far, right?

In addition, Curse Mark will get depleted. Whereas, u can recharge dragon sage chakra when it runs out.

 

[saw2097]

Due to plot no jutsu, I think we need to accept the fact that sooner or later, Naruto and Sasuke will face Madara as a tag-team with no more help from the others. With that in mind, both WILL need to use natural energy.

We all know Naruto can use it. So we can leave him out of the discussion.

Now lets focus on Sasuke - To see how and why plot will make him learn sage mode (very likely to be perfected dragon sage mode):

1. Orochimaru's experiments shows Sasuke has the potential to be better than Madara. Note that when Oro made this comment, he already knew Madara has Rinnegan and Hashirama's DNA. How will Sasuke top this? Obviously it will need to be something like a little DNAs of Oro, Kabuto, Karin, Suigetsu, Jugo and Hashirama.

2. The dragon sage mode which Kabuto displayed is imperfect. Kishi first did it with Jiraiya where we were showed how an imperfect toad sage looks like. Now its time to show us the perfect dragon sage mode. Agree? I do want to see it for my self.

3. In terms of plot, it would be uncool for Sasuke to keep utilisie Jugo's ability to attack Madara. That would equate to Naruto, Sasuke and Jugo VS Madara. Sounds totally wrong. He needs something on his own.

Or he can simply use Juugo, like he did against Obito.

 

[shelke]

We all know Sasuke should never trudge down the uncool path. SM is obligatory now. He cannot tow Jugo with him forever. That wouldn't be cool enough.