[Discussion] "sharingan" abillities

[osba]

i'd like to put this possibillity forward for you lot to debate aboutther than genjutus and izanagi/izanami, wich are actual ocular prowels, a sharingan makes you capable of mastering a jutsu further than a normal human being could.. the path of pain's abillities were never just the sage's, they were just extremely well executed jutsu that require molding and control that a normal human being never could...

chakra absorbtion
advanced fire jutsu
bringing a soul back from the dead, or even in that old lady wich i forgot the name of, complete ressurection.
chakra cloaks or armors
perceiving the enviroment from multiple entities at once
space time ninjutsu
and so on and so on..

i bet you every single non-doujutsu sharingan and rinnegan abillity could be achieved as long as you have the knowledge.. now i'm also sure that for example the susano is indeed only achievable by those that have attained the mangekyo sharingan BUT that might just be because before you got that far, there is simply no way to get a connection with said susano(whatever that connection might be, it suggests to be somewhat spiritual of nature but you cant possibly predict that without utter luck as the narutoverse uses several religions for its "spirituallity").

 

[ANiMUS]

What do you mean by non doujutsu abilities?

 

[osba]

What do you mean by non doujutsu abilities?

anything physical, not spiritual or inexplicitly linked to the eyes.

 

[ANiMUS]

Sharingan's perception is right up there with SM. A lot of things in Naruto are determined by genes, even down to what chakra nature you use. There are spiritual prowess (mental power) and the sharingan an edge on a lot of shinobi. Even years of practice can equal to about a day's training for an Uchiha. Its not that some of moves they do are impossible for others (I.e. Shurikenjutsu), but it at an extremely high standard.

 

[osba]

Sharingan's perception is right up there with SM. A lot of things in Naruto are determined by genes, even down to what chakra nature you use. There are spiritual prowess (mental power) and the sharingan an edge on a lot of shinobi. Even years of practice can equal to about a day's training for an Uchiha. Its not that some of moves they do are impossible for others (I.e. Shurikenjutsu), but it at an extremely high standard.

so you agree? how dull..

 

[TheSyren]

many of those abilities are Rinnegan specific, not sharingan abilities. and although they never state in explicitly, Blaze release could be attained without a sharingan. space time ninjutsu doesnt need a sharingan. sharingan doesnt make you better, it makes it easier to get better. and finally izanami/izanagi can only be used by a sharingan user. that has been explained.

 

[osba]

many of those abilities are Rinnegan specific, not sharingan abilities. and although they never state in explicitly, Blaze release could be attained without a sharingan. space time ninjutsu doesnt need a sharingan. sharingan doesnt make you better, it makes it easier to get better. and finally izanami/izanagi can only be used by a sharingan user. that has been explained.

if you call the ems a sharingan, you can call the rinnegan a sharingan too.. same thing diffrent names {imo ^.^}

 

[ANiMUS]

Rinnengan techs can't be learned though. They are styles on in'youton. Only Uchiha and Senju can do that.

 

[osba]

Rinnengan techs can't be learned though. They are styles on in'youton. Only Uchiha and Senju can do that.

i haven't seen anything nagato used that another character did not use a wattered down version of.. i'd like to see some proof here ^.^ (for shinra tensei i would present to you magneto, the magnificent star throwing fodder edo)
stating that for example summoning that dog or the gedo mazo is because of the rinnegan is flawed logic imho.. unless you come up with a good explanation or example that is

 

[Ahmed1993]

I disagree U_U

 

[osba]

I disagree U_U

i empathise :yeah:

 

[Naijakid]

The Rinnegan is also a Sharingan imo

 

[FearxDeath]

The fact of the matter is that there is exclusivity in the Manga. These things are called Kekkie Genkia which are abilities that can only be used by those born into specific blood lines.

Kekkia Genkia CANNOT under any circumstances be used by people without said KKG. This is a notion that has been said and then reinforced by the Manga.

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In this scan Kakashi further elaborates on this concept by saying that it is so impossible for KKG's and the abilities they grant to be copied that not even his Sharingan could do it. This alone tells us that it is impossible to replicate the jutsu's granted by KKG's.

The Rinnegan/Sharingan are KKG's, and thus the Jutsu that they provide cannot be replicated under any circumstances. Because the person copying them does not possess the required KKG.

 

[osba]

The fact of the matter is that there is exclusivity in the Manga. These things are called Kekkie Genkia which are abilities that can only be used by those born into specific blood lines.

Kekkia Genkia CANNOT under any circumstances be used by people without said KKG. This is a notion that has been said and then reinforced by the Manga.

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In this scan Kakashi further elaborates on this concept by saying that it is so impossible for KKG's and the abilities they grant to be copied that not even his Sharingan could do it. This alone tells us that it is impossible to replicate the jutsu's granted by KKG's.

The Rinnegan/Sharingan are KKG's, and thus the Jutsu that they provide cannot be replicated under any circumstances. Because the person copying them does not possess the required KKG.

Stop looking at it so narrow jesus.. That manga slide is ancient.. Hundreds of slides older than the slide for sage mode woch was debunked too btw.. Secondly, your assuming these abillities are kekkei genkai.. Never has this been stated to be the case.

 

[TheSyren]

if you call the ems a sharingan, you can call the rinnegan a sharingan too.. same thing diffrent names {imo ^.^}

yes, EMS or the Eternal Mangekyo SHARINGAN is a Sharingan. Rinnegan is not a Sharingan. it is an eye jutsu, and is directly related to the Sharingan, but is not a Sharingan. its like seeing a regular potatoe and calling it a yam. yes, they are of the same family of vegetable, but they are not the same thing. as for the abilities given to rinnegan users, they are only available to rinnegan users, no one else. if you had read the manga, you would have known this and wouldnt have posted such an obviously daft Discussion thread. not only is this thread asking to challenge fact, it has no fact to base it. its speculation upon ideas proven wrong by fact already present in the manga.

 

[Senju Bean]

The fact of the matter is that there is exclusivity in the Manga. These things are called Kekkie Genkia which are abilities that can only be used by those born into specific blood lines.

Kekkia Genkia CANNOT under any circumstances be used by people without said KKG. This is a notion that has been said and then reinforced by the Manga.

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In this scan Kakashi further elaborates on this concept by saying that it is so impossible for KKG's and the abilities they grant to be copied that not even his Sharingan could do it. This alone tells us that it is impossible to replicate the jutsu's granted by KKG's.

The Rinnegan/Sharingan are KKG's, and thus the Jutsu that they provide cannot be replicated under any circumstances. Because the person copying them does not possess the required KKG.

Cannot be replicated under any circumstances? Madara, Danzo, and Oro have all found a way to replicate Hashis KKG. Implanting Rinnegan/Sharingan is also a way of replicating it. Kabuto mangaged to steal Kimimaros KKG.

For some reason, it doesn't seem that difficult given the amount of circumstances where this has occurred.

 

[TheSyren]

Cannot be replicated under any circumstances? Madara, Danzo, and Oro have all found a way to replicate Hashis KKG. Implanting Rinnegan/Sharingan is also a way of replicating it. Kabuto mangaged to steal Kimimaros KKG.

For some reason, it doesn't seem that difficult given the amount of circumstances where this has occurred.

if you have access to the dna of someone who used the KKG, then you can use it. Kabuto, Madara, and Danzo all had the Dna grafted into themselves and the were able to use them. and orochimaru is, well... not even human anymore. idk what he is anymore. but since KKG are Dna dependent,, if you can absorb the dna, you can use the KKG

 

[osba]

Lets stay on topic guys, we are talking about the abillities we have seen regarding the sha/rinnegan

yes, EMS or the Eternal Mangekyo SHARINGAN is a Sharingan. Rinnegan is not a Sharingan. it is an eye jutsu, and is directly related to the Sharingan, but is not a Sharingan. its like seeing a regular potatoe and calling it a yam. yes, they are of the same family of vegetable, but they are not the same thing. as for the abilities given to rinnegan users, they are only available to rinnegan users, no one else. if you had read the manga, you would have known this and wouldnt have posted such an obviously daft Discussion thread. not only is this thread asking to challenge fact, it has no fact to base it. its speculation upon ideas proven wrong by fact already present in the manga.

dumb peaple more often than not have a big ego, that leads to these kind of comments.. please excuse this man, he is simply uncapable of following proper forum etiquette.

on to debunking your comment:
it has never been stated that the abillities we have seen are specific to the rinnegan.. these abillities are indeed the ones this particular rinnegan uses (meaning these abillities are the ones that this rinnegan shines at), but this is the only one we have seen at work thus far.

 

[TheSyren]

Lets stay on topic guys, we are talking about the abillities we have seen regarding the sha/rinnegan



dumb peaple more often than not have a big ego, that leads to these kind of comments.. please excuse this man, he is simply uncapable of following proper forum etiquette.

on to debunking your comment:
it has never been stated that the abillities we have seen are specific to the rinnegan.. these abillities are indeed the ones this particular rinnegan uses (meaning these abillities are the ones that this rinnegan shines at), but this is the only one we have seen at work thus far.

i will admit that i have a big ego. however, my ego has nothing to do with this. so far, the rinnegan has been used by three people: Obito, Madara, and Nagato. but, due to some weird plot situations, it all turned out to be the rinnegan originally used by Madara. Nagato used all of those abilities via his "paths", but also showed that his main body could use the abilities while he was an edo tensei. however, since the eyes never changed from the rinnegan state, it may be likely that he could do it by himself. Obito never used the abilities. all he used was the linked vision. so he can be omitted. now, Madara was able to use the abilities, but the only time he used them was when it was activated. and since it was shown that the rinnegan Nagato and Obito had originally belonged to Madara, we can assume that the powers are from the rinnegan which was unlocked by Madara. however, we dont even have to assume that, because the manga explains about all of the path abilities and how the rinnegan is the holder of all of the paths.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

dumbass thread... anyone who can read will not agree with you

kkg cannot be copied.

people didnt even know the rennigan was real so non of its techs are copied people have similar but not the same