Which idealism do you prefer more ?

[awesomeseimei]

Danzo's way was worst , while Orochimaru ? I don't think he wants peace .

Who said I wanted peace? I'd rather serve and/or observe, but that's just me I guess. I've never been much of an idealist/optimist. Also, I view humans as things/subjects. So yeah, Dazno/Oro views totally match me :|

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yahiko and Naruto have the same ideals man..

Not really. Naruto wants people to understand each other through sympathy, while Yahiko is empathy. Basically, Naruto says "Let's try to think like each other and relate our emotions, and if you've been through the same thing, then it'll be easier for you."

Yahiko's ideals are much more violent, his ideals allow for inflicting what caused the strife and misery of one on another, evident by Nagato's actions as Pein.

Naruto's ideals are looking at it from another's perspective, Yahiko's is putting you through the same so you understand.

 

[Klad]

Bro , we can say the same thing about Obito since Naruto said they're the same too , I like Yahiko's struggle , he was incorruptible, he was fighting for peace , trying to be acknowledge for the sake of his goal , I like his story (i don't like naruto's) I don't care if people say him & Naruto had the same shit , I like Yahiko's better .



You mean Obito right ? trying to control the world & killed anyone who stood in his way .

He's an Uchiha dude , we all know that the Older Son is related to Uchihas . [

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I believe in Obito

Indeed U_U

 

[-PK-]

Naruto's and Yahiko's is basically the same because you really can't understand someone unless you share their pain and know what they have been through .
Obito's peace is just imaginary and doesn't exist at all but.
Sasuke wants to change the system but i don't know exactly what kind of change he will bring but lets just go with the idea of changing the overall system .
I prefer Naruto/Yahiko's and Sasuke's ideals .

 

[Kαmi]

Bruh everytime i see that girl in ur sig i be wishing she was at my place, with me right now atm

Lmao! Lol because she's pretty awesome when it comes to "eat" bananas, right?

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Who said I wanted peace? I'd rather serve and/or observe, but that's just me I guess. I've never been much of an idealist/optimist. Also, I view humans as things/subjects. So yeah, Dazno/Oro views totally match me :|

@bold: This made me laugh, it's almost as if you're saying f*** peace, I'm gonna live how I wanna live. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[-Sky-]

Bro , we can say the same thing about Obito since Naruto said they're the same too , I like Yahiko's struggle , he was incorruptible, he was fighting for peace , trying to be acknowledge for the sake of his goal , I like his story (i don't like naruto's) I don't care if people say him & Naruto had the same shit , I like Yahiko's better .

I understand that you like him better, that's your opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that they believed in the same thing.

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[-Punk-]

He's an Uchiha dude , we all know that the Older Son is related to Uchihas . [

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Indeed U_U

Obito just went at it the wrong way man , that's it . Anyways I don't prefer his either way .

I understand that you like him better, that's your opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that they believed in the same thing.

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I understand , but I believe more in his words than Naruto's . u_ u

 

[Klad]

Obito just went at it the wrong way man , that's it . Anyways I don't prefer his either way .

Obito has Uchiha's curse .

But anyway I agree that Obito's way is wrong .

 

[-Sky-]

Not really. Naruto wants people to understand each other through sympathy, while Yahiko is empathy. Basically, Naruto says "Let's try to think like each other and relate our emotions, and if you've been through the same thing, then it'll be easier for you."

Yahiko's ideals are much more violent, his ideals allow for inflicting what caused the strife and misery of one on another, evident by Nagato's actions as Pein.

Naruto's ideals are looking at it from another's perspective, Yahiko's is putting you through the same so you understand.

That's not true. Yahiko was like that as a child, but he grew into this

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It's the same as Naruto

 

[Yo pappy]

I prefer Sasuke's ideals for now.

 

[take it easy]

Sasuke's ideals because it is most realistic

how sasuke can change system if hes thinking like part of old system?

 

[awesomeseimei]

@bold: This made me laugh, it's almost as if you're saying f*** peace, I'm gonna live how I wanna live. And there's nothing wrong with that.

That's pretty much because there isn't such thing as peace. I live in a dangerous place (Russia) so every day I just hope that I'll survive, and that's it :| Or do you actually believe that peace can be achieved? We're not living in a fictional world are we?

 

[take it easy]

That's pretty much because there isn't such thing as peace. I live in a dangerous place (Russia) so every day I just hope that I'll survive, and that's it :| Or do you actually believe that peace can be achieved? We're not living in a fictional world are we?

you compare real world and narutoverse?

 

[-Punk-]

But right now , Sauske seems to be on the right track , of course that can change every 15 minutes sooooooooooooooo.

 

[chaos control]

That's not peace, that's annihilation.

As long as the human population continues to expand, there will be more and more differing views. Therefore, there will be more and more conflict. Inequality will also continue to increase. Yet, the world thrives on this injustice and inequality. If we're all non-existent however, then all status loses meaning. Every one would be gone. Therefore everyone would be equal. That would be peace.

 

[-Punk-]

As long as the human population continues to expand, there will be more and more differing views. Therefore, there will be more and more conflict. Inequality will also continue to increase. Yet, the world thrives on this injustice and inequality. If we're all non-existent however, then all status loses meaning. Every one would be gone. Therefore everyone would be equal. That would be peace.

There's nothing good about being Mindless puppets , it would just be fake peace .

 

[-Sky-]

As long as the human population continues to expand, there will be more and more differing views. Therefore, there will be more and more conflict. Inequality will also continue to increase. Yet, the world thrives on this injustice and inequality. If we're all non-existent however, then all status loses meaning. Every one would be gone. Therefore everyone would be equal. That would be peace.

Everyone in the world? You're throwing all humans into the same basket?

If their's injustice then their's also justice, if their's inequality their is also equality. You said the only correct way to bring peace is Obito's way, but how exactly is that correct? It's an illusion, things that we humans are born for are completely thrown out the window.

Working for a living, the thrills of success and the disappointments of failure's. Normal things that happen everyday. Humanity has experienced horrible events, but also amazing events.

The world thrives off many things, not just what you've said. Destroying everything is nothing but an easy way out

 

[Kαmi]

That's pretty much because there isn't such thing as peace. I live in a dangerous place (Russia) so every day I just hope that I'll survive, and that's it :| Or do you actually believe that peace can be achieved? We're not living in a fictional world are we?

Hey, i wasn't dissing you at all, I just thought your answer was humorous. I'm a little luckier to say that I don't live in a dangerous area but even when I do feel safe, doesn't mean someone on a whole different continent would. If peace exists, mankind will certainly take their time to find it, cause it's not gonna happen anytime soon.

 

[chaos control]

There's nothing good about being Mindless puppets , it would just be fake peace .

That would still be better than a life where some people are going to inevitably have to suffer for the greater good of the world (involuntarily). People like Naruto talk a nice game, but all he is essentially saying is that you have to endure in life. Some people (ie. people born into poverty, people who have been drafted into the military, civillians killed during total war etc...) have to inevitably endure more than others. The fact that they get this short end of the stick is nowhere near fair and depicts the inequality of the human race. If nobody existed however, there would be no disagreement, inequality, suffering or strife of any kind. There would be no such thing as status. Therefore, nobody could be above anybody else. It is not infinite tsukuyomi that I support. It is the dream of the universe having never been created that I support.

 

[Third Sage]

I understand what Kishimoto did with the manga now . This manga is all about other's ideals and will . Let's take a few examples .

Naruto - Wants people to understand eachother .
Obito - Wants to erase the system .
Sasuke - Wants to change the system .
Yahiko - Wanted people to understand the same pain .

Which idealism is more interesting so far ? I'll have to say Sasuke's or Obito's . Yahiko's was nearly impossibile , while Naruto's is too childish IMO , but he's a matured character . Obito's the best way to achieve peace , but it's not real , while in Sasuke's case , it may be plausible . So far , we've seen :

Obito's will vs Yahiko's will .
Obito's will vs Naruto's will .
Now we have yet to see Naruto's will vs Sasuke's will .

When you actually grow up, you'll learn that Naruto's ideals are actually the most matured ones. **** the system, everything's gonna be just fine if people get to understand each other.