[Discussion] My thoughts on God and if you agree or not?

[tyltyl]

I'm not an overally religious person. I consider myself superstitious but that's about it. When it comes to believing god whether you do or don't is just your own free will and this isn't to try and make non believers believe but just to share what I have to say and what you'd make of it.

First off thinking about the universe and every in it. the biggest stars compared to our size makes us like ants or germs. And personally I don't want to think my existence is nothing more than just a whim or an accident. or just nature itself saying "oh what the hell" If I were to ask a person this question this is what I'd predict would happen.

me- what is that book shelf made of?

person- ummm wood?

me- right where does wood come from?

person- ummm trees

me- right where do trees come from? and don't say pine cones other wise we're back to where we started.

person- uhhh the ground.

me- right where does soil and rock come from?

person- the big bang explosion that seperated and created the elements.

me- right where did that object that exploded that caused the big bang come from?

person-????

Exactly the reason why I believe is just if I didn't really believe in god I would think.... "F*** the world and everything in it. It's not like being good gets you any where. Hey kid go F*** yourself" but that could only be me lol.

conclusion is everyone knows humanity has been in much conflict in religion and that there really is absolutely no evidence of a god or gods out there. however there are many things we really don't understand and may never understand. Newton's law states matter can not be created nor destroyed but how did carbon and the elements get here? did they appear out of no where?

Like I said and I will heavily express this. that this isn't to make you believe but just what I think. and if you find anything wrong or what you have to say then just say it.

 

[Filo]

I think everyone should just believe in some form of higher power. Jesus is my dude cuz he helps people learn to have virtuous morals

 

[Zetsueno]

God? Well, the prevailing convention among humans is to define everything thats out of their reach as works of god. Whats outside earth was heaven until a few decades back. Earthquakes and tsunamis were god's wrath till science proved otherwise. Its only a matter of time until we can completely debunk the existence of super natural entity that isn't bound by laws of physics and can create something out of nothing. But, by all means continue living in ignorance, we are all living in ignorance, I too am living in ignorance as I don't know, like how you mentioned in your post, everything began. Its not like we have much choice as of now. I merely believe that one day, we can free ourselves from that veil of ignorance that is most popularly defined as 'god'.

Edit: I'm not bound by god, btw, just that veil of ignorance that everyone is bound by. However, I have a chance of growing out of it as I believe in science and logic that is expanding its horizons as I type, opposed to a god that is already clearly defined, a god that encourages us to live in ignorance.

 

[DeathandHealing]

I think everyone should just believe in some form of higher power. Jesus is my dude cuz he helps people learn to have virtuous morals

ironically Morals Existed without him. He died by Roman law, and many people were killed because of Him and those Morals.

You posting here shows you yourself are a poor believer. Jesus wouldn't own a computer. he would have sold it and gave the money to the poor. He wouldn't have a TV or video game console. hell Every person who says they believe in jesus and have a spare room in their house, a living room or hallway with atlease 5 ft of empty space in it and it is not filled with homeless people is a poor christian because Jesus would have done that.

I'm not a Believer and I wont ever be. But I assure you I have given more homeless people parts of my crappy paychecks and gave up eating time to time out of the good of my heart than sit around posting crap on the internet trying to convert people while Dr Who is on in the background on a 60" television.

 

[skg1991]

I am an Indian and a hindu by birth...my family is very religious but i'm not...i'm not an atheist either...To me God is just the supreme and ultimate creature...I feel the presence of God every time i feel lucky or fortunate...and i do thank Him for those things...but i'm not the kind of person to go to thousands of temples and yell some prayer...To be honest,i hate going to temples....i feel like punching every ******* who yells a prayer in my ear...I hate all those retards who jump up and down to see the shrine...and most of all i hate crowded places...always wonder...if God is everywhere,why do we need places of worship.

 

[Trippy Sage of all Dank]

I can understand your point OP. I consider myself a bit superstitious as well. I often use a similar thought process like the mock-dialogue you wrote. I do in fact believe a higher power exists but I think it's immensely unfathomable at our current level of awareness/consciousness. I'm not religious and I mainly consider myself spiritual and agnostic. I definitely feel that this higher power we refer to is something akin to most religions idea of a "God" but I feel that it is a distorted, man-made concept. We have yet to understand the different dimensions and the unexplainable intricacies of the Human body and psyche. I feel those two can explain a LOT about the Human race, religion and the Universe around us.

P.S. I also believe our ancient history (taught to us through the established education system/religion) is not what we really think it is.

 

[SpiderRider89]

I think everyone should just believe in some form of higher power. Jesus is my dude cuz he helps people learn to have virtuous morals

Morals aren't limited to religion. I will agree with you somewhat though. Jesus does "Help" others to find their morals but calling them virtuous is a matter of opinion.

I'm an Agnostic Theist. I only know what has been proven to me but I believe in the possibility of a higher power/existence. Morals are tricky because it can depend on which definition your are choosing to follow. Morals can be limited to what you believe or what a community believes. Everyone has morals and that's it. Calming something is better than the other depends on personal views.

Example: Witches being burnt at the stake was "virtuous" during the Salem witch trials. However today it's a crime.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Weren't religious topics banned? If not, I wish they were.

 

[Zetsueno]

I am an Indian and a hindu by birth...my family is very religious but i'm not...i'm not an atheist either...To me God is just the supreme and ultimate creature...I feel the presence of God every time i feel lucky or fortunate...and i do thank Him for those things...but i'm not the kind of person to go to thousands of temples and yell some prayer...To be honest,i hate going to temples....i feel like punching every ******* who yells a prayer in my ear...I hate all those retards who jump up and down to see the shrine...and most of all i hate crowded places...always wonder...if God is everywhere,why do we need places of worship.

You define arbitrary events that have provide positive outcomes as god's presence? You should bad-mouth god then, for thousands are dying every-day due to misfortune. Chance + time + matter is all there is to it.

 

[-Best-]

god is everyone...god is you..god is me..see other's as god..you won't harm them and they will see the god in you....

 

[SpiderRider89]

You define arbitrary events that have provide positive outcomes as god's presence? You should bad-mouth god then, for thousands are dying every-day due to misfortune. Chance + time + matter is all there is to it.

Gnostic Theist often believe in things that can't be proven. It shouldn't be that surprising that he believes what he does.

god is everyone...god is you..god is me..see other's as god..you won't harm them and they will see the god in you....

God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe
: a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions
: a person and especially a man who is greatly loved or admired

According to the bold you are mostly correct

 

[Ōkami]

god is everyone...god is you..god is me..see other's as god..you won't harm them and they will see the god in you....

God is that ******* who takes the last hot pocket. God is that queef that doesn't use his turn signal.

God is that git who doesn't let you go before them on the bus. God is that wanker who always farts in public areas.

God is that douche who always talks obnoxiously on his mobile. God is that **** will bump into a girl and cop a field.

God is the **** of society.

 

[EnDash]

the only thing i don't like about religion and god is how some people use it. if you take humans out of the equation, leave only god and religion as it is in the original menuscript. suddenly there is nothing wrong with it. it's the people that are the problem, not god or religion.

also, and sorry but i had to :

person- the big bang explosion that seperated and created the elements.

me- right where did that object that exploded that caused the big bang come from?

first of all the traditional big bang theory doesn't says anything about and object exploding, all it says is the universe is expanding and we have no idea what was before the moment it started to expand. all matter was created in the moment of the big bang and that was the limit.

but they are working on a new theory called string theory that suggest our universe is part of a multiverse full of "bubble" universes. and sometimes two universes collide and become a large universe, sometimes a universe splits into two smaller universes. and that fusion or splitting is what they believe is the big bang.

when i see a physics thing i can't help myself and much dive right it, i hope you can forgive me lol

 

[kamizon]

There's no way to prove origins now and there will be no way to do so in the future.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

When will this religious shitstorm stop? Seriously if u belive in god, or anyone else does for the matter, why would u or anyone care if some bunch of loons do? I belive in god, since I'm a Muslim. And no one can change what I will believe, or those who don't. It doesn't honestly change who u really are, which is being human.

 

[YowYan]

I think everyone should just believe in some form of higher power. Jesus is my dude cuz he helps people learn to have virtuous morals

Idiots idolise Jesus as some all-loving deity.
Others know that Jesus, as a astrotheology symbol represents the sun as a celestial body and 'spiritual and intellectual enlightenment' as a metaphor.

OT: lol at this thread.This is a perfect example of what I stated in my post on the earlier God thread.

Simpletons use the word God to answer tough, universal questions they don't have a legitimate answer for. Poor young corrupted minds.

 

[ShishaMastah420]

Letme just stop your right here; Soil and rock come from volcanic explosions that have been cooled over time, do you even research bro?

This thread will fail simply because of the lack of intelligently informed individuals who are either entitled religious fuqs or fake hipster Athiest fuqs, either way it's all a shitfuq.

 

[SpiderRider89]

When will this religious shitstorm stop? Seriously if u belive in god, or anyone else does for the matter, why would u care if some bunch of loon do? I belive in god, since I'm a Muslim. And no one can change what I will believe, or those who don't. It doesn't honestly change who u really are, which is being human.

Gnostic theist "know" things with no proof. It's actually an important topic if your a person trying to gain a scientific or political stand in your community.

Muslims, Christians and Atheist are all Gnostics. Of course the Atheist would be a Gnostic Atheist and not a Gnostic theist.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Gnostic theist believe in things with no proof. It's actually an important topic if your a person trying to gain a scientific or political stand in your community.

They do, yeah, but these religious debates have been going on endlessly, both sides trying their best to either convince or bash there arguments, I don't actually see the point in such debates when ur gonna stand by in what u believe. U can't force anyone to rightfully believe what u think is right. If I belive in god, I cant and cannot force other people to do so. Being my original point.

 

[SpiderRider89]

They do, yeah, but these religious debates have been going on endlessly, both sides trying their best to either convince or bash there arguments, I don't actually see the point in such debates when ur gonna stand by in what u believe. U can't force anyone to rightfully believe what u think is right. If I belive in god, I cant and cannot force other people to do so. Being my original point.

No one can change what you believe in. It's what you claim to know that's important. Do you know God is real or do you just believe in him?

Knowing and believing is the fundamental difference when having a discussion like this. If someone "knows" the unknowable then they shouldn't be allowed to be in a position of power. This leads to religious killings etc... Now a person who believes in the possibility of a God but doesn't "know" he/she's there without solid facts still has a chance of credibility.