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So by the same logic why should Naruto change his fighting style, the one he's far more used to than anything?
But with the proposed change of the Rinnegan for each, it literally alters Sasuke's Susano'o-Enton fighting style. Naruto it at least compliments his all out offensive based arsenal and he wouldn't have to constantly switch between Dojutsu's and hinder himself. And the alleviation would come from Sasuke's "Yomi". It's OP and beneficial for an Uchiha. But for now, I'll just leave everything up to people's interpretations. I just want to see what is going to happen soon because the plot feels very stagnant at the moment.
 

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I really am hoping Naruto doesn't get the Rinnegan as in my opinion does not suit his combat style in any way I can think of. As well the Rinnegan being easily the most underrated "power" in the entire Narutoverse, with Naruto getting it all i'll imagine someone like him doing is creating elemental clones, due to the mastery of all natural elements the Rinnegan grants the user. In the end i just don't want the Rinnegan to be as underrated as it is now.
 

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I really am hoping Naruto doesn't get the Rinnegan as in my opinion does not suit his combat style in any way I can think of. As well the Rinnegan being easily the most underrated "power" in the entire Narutoverse, with Naruto getting it all i'll imagine someone like him doing is creating elemental clones, due to the mastery of all natural elements the Rinnegan grants the user. In the end i just don't want the Rinnegan to be as underrated as it is now.
Except, its full potential would be unlocked through Naruto because of BSM. It would increase the power of the Rinnegan techniques and make them exponentially more powerful than what we've seen.
 

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Except, its full potential would be unlocked through Naruto because of BSM. It would increase the power of the Rinnegan techniques and make them exponentially more powerful than what we've seen.
True. But what i mean is do you really expect the full potential of the Rinnegan to be showcased by Naruto? It won't be due to the multitude of spam and similarities between his techniques that he has shown since the beginning of part 2.
 
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Since you requested for something insightful, it might drag on from my end as well. This would have to do with certain inconsistencies and possible loop-holes in the manga which can be exploited for different factors. I will begin by suggesting that you actually took time with the analysis, so that in itself is quite commendable, my friend. I have disagreements, henceforth, I hope you do not hold it against me.

First is the trouble with the God Tree granting chakra. Either everything is lost in translation or something went wrong with Kishimoto, then it was a established fact from the start - and was repeated through out the course of the manga - that Chakra is a fusion or combination if Physical and Spiritual energy. Now unless people were devoid of Spirit altogether, then one can believe that the Sage somehow began the line that would carry it, making it seem that he would be the first human or Adam - the allegory of Ambrosia just cannot be overlooked.

I will add something from my post on another forum:

The whole tree and knowledge debate is very odd given the inconsistent flip-flopping nature of its author.. At first, it was set in stone that Uchiha and Senju were the thinned blood lines from the older and younger sons, hence the only people explicitly connected to the sage. This is backed by the development of EMS into Rinnegan; as Madara explicity explains that both Senju and Uchiha Dna are required to make the whole or make the two forks or blood-lines whole again. Furthermore, the Sage was the first person to give the knowledge of Ninjutsu. Now if one is to consider the other two factors, it's obvious that the spiritual energy or Chakra was there but the means to harness its power were not.

Put the God Tree into equation and it probably - my best guess, given the mentioned information - acted as a catalyst or even became a source of knowledge as in the Christian and Islamic Mythos. Now once I combine all of the missing pieces, I become hard-pressed to not brush aside the obvious tear in the theory in regards to the Sage being the sole father or Adam for all the blood-lines. It completely goes against the established factors.

Naruto may unlock the Rinnegan as you suggested, but, if the author clings to a thing called Logic, it seems quite the impossibility to me. So far most people supporting the Sage being an Uzumaki himself will have to reconcile with the idea that this Blood-line simply branched off from the Senju Clan - the thinned line of the younger son, as explained by Obito. Albeit Naruto is called an Uzumaki, he doesn't share a pure blood-line, whereas Sasuke does and so did Madara because of Clan in-breeding. Uchiha Clan is one of the most pure lines in the entire manga.

If you consider these factors, it seems more logical - despite the fact that I am not all too thrilled for it - for Sasuke to go beyond the barriers of Eternal Mangaeko Sharingan to Rinnegan rather than Naruto, who not only has nothing in common with the aforementioned blood-lines but is an impure Uzumaki. He might have been called by his father Clan, as he's what you would called a hybrid child as far as blood-lines go. So does that put all of the previous tablet talk? Your guess is as good as mine. And for Naruto to unlock the Rinnegan; I for one would find the elaborate liberties to be just as distasteful as others such as Minato's varied modes for starters. This one is a dead end for me, given the large and glaring evidence from the not-so-distant chapters. It would be like ignoring the elephant in the room.

Then is the case with Sasuke. Kamui - if you recall Obito's chapter Alive, I believe that is what it was called - was present when Obito still had 2 Tomoes as - if memory serves me correctly - Madara explicitly comments that Obito survived from getting completely crushed as he 'somehow seemed to slip away' from the boulder. We are all fully aware that Obito's Kamui is two-fold and yet, it's the same technique. He simply teleports his body that comes in contact with any attack in lieu of objects.

Now this could be a good indication of time manipulation based on 'Necessity', as he was about to be crushed to death, hence the desire in his mind to Slip or Elude Fates. This is interesting, as the brain's thought patterns trigger the Sharingan Mutation in the first place. I have a theory as to why Itachi's MS or Moon eye which is Tsukuyomi is more developed than most Uchihas and yet, still at a lesser tier than Shisui's. It's because of Uchiha scrolls he deciphered or read along with tablets when he was young. This was explained through Sasuke's conversation with Hizuren. Shisui already had developed MS and had excess to the tablet and could decipher more. I am adamant in my beliefs that it's the tablet that triggers the Doujutsus to develop in certain manners.

Madara wanted to protect his clan, hence Perfect Susano'o was acquired quickly during his prime, Sasuke wanted revenge, hence variants of Sun eye or flames of hell, Itachi deceived and lied just like Shisui - both worked as double agents - hence Moon or Illusions. Obtio's eye reacted to save his life, hence the notion to 'slip through or away from fate'. I doubt he had read the tablet as he was killed on the battle-field when he awoke the Sharingan the first time, but the other evidence is quite suitable as to how the eye itself reacts to the individual wielding it and how the tablet escalates the process.

Given the evidence, Obito only had the ability to 'Slip through or away' but by seeing the contents of the Tablets through Madara's Genjutsu, he was able to fully develop the ability to teleport others effectively. Then is the issue of MS's development into EMS. Recall the chapter where itachi tells the tale of attaining Eternal Light. It shows a statue of EMS with four eye sockets. It shows three Tomoe Sharingans but those are 'Clear' metaphors, as all MS have different patterns bar Obito and kakashi's as, let's face it, those are Obito's eyes. This would mean that EMS is developed through fusion of two MS pairs and this would ultimately translate into Sasuke possessing the power of his own and his brother's eyes.

I am very certain that that image you posted of Sasuke doesn't take the 'flow of power' in a literal sense, but it's a very common metaphor and more so, in regards to eyes that lose their light and attain in eternally through taking another ones as well. This is further backed by the fact that many Uchihas had MS and yet Sasuke is the second person to unlock EMS, which would mean that when the eyes still have a bit of light, they are harnessed by another to regain the ultimate form of Sharingan. And that would be an impossibility, as no one would be ready to relinquish their eyes. If what you suggest - and others - is possible then Madara won't be the only one to attain EMS before Sasuke.

Now coming back to the main point, then yes, Itachi specified that there would be a new doujutsu once one acquires EMS. Now what alterations did the tablet made within Sasuke? Was it to rectify history future in regards to the political setup? I think given his latest leanings, I suggest that he wants to change the fate of the future by breaking free of the illusion that would manipulate 'Time'. So yes, I do agree - and I have made this point myself as well on many occasions - that Sasuke would attain Yomi as you put it or a new Time Manipulation technique.

Great Read. I cannot rep you as I need to spread it around first, but a thanks is in order. If I can manage it, as most forum functions do not even work for me. I apologize beforehand if you don't see thanks from me under the said tab. Great Job. Also, I hope I didn't drag this along to long. Lol
 
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Since you requested for something insightful,
And that it was. Your criticism is noted. Although, nothing of what I was clinging to had to do with the Sage being an Uzumaki or not. It had to do with how Rikudou obtained his abilities (Rinnegan and such through his mother who got it from the Juubi via the God Fruit) and how it directly correlates to the coalescing of the Bijuu's chakra within Naruto to create a Pseudo Juubi effect via Kurama which could let Naruto awaken the Rinnegan (and Rikudou got it from either birth or the Juubi directly, but regardless, it came from the Juubi). And, the root of the "spiritual and physical" properties is from Rikudou's ability to use Banbatsu (spelled that wrong) Sozo in which he created the Bijuu's using his mind (Yin) and physical chakra (Yang). This is something similar to what Hirudora said. By reconvening the two original bloodlines, Madara was able to awaken the Rinnegan given such dominant Yang from Hashirama (Seeing as how his techniques are ever so reminiscent of the God Tree) and the peak of the Sharingan; the Eien No Mangekyou. So in essence, Naruto (and Rikudou by obvious extension) would have the overwhelming amount of Yin (as they transferred chakra and they were seen as a silhouette hinting a "mind" approach to their interaction in the story) to complement whatever Yang Naruto has.
 

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Since you requested for something insightful, it might drag on from my end as well. This would have to do with certain inconsistencies and possible loop-holes in the manga which can be exploited for different factors. I will begin by suggesting that you actually took time with the analysis, so that in itself is quite commendable, my friend. I have disagreements, henceforth, I hope you do not hold it against me.

First is the trouble with the God Tree granting chakra. Either everything is lost in translation or something went wrong with Kishimoto, then it was a established fact from the start - and was repeated through out the course of the manga - that Chakra is a fusion or combination if Physical and Spiritual energy. Now unless people were devoid of Spirit altogether, then one can believe that the Sage somehow began the line that would carry it, making it seem that he would be the first human or Adam - the allegory of Ambrosia just cannot be overlooked.

I will add something from my post on another forum:

The whole tree and knowledge debate is very odd given the inconsistent flip-flopping nature of its author.. At first, it was set in stone that Uchiha and Senju were the thinned blood lines from the older and younger sons, hence the only people explicitly connected to the sage. This is backed by the development of EMS into Rinnegan; as Madara explicity explains that both Senju and Uchiha Dna are required to make the whole or make the two forks or blood-lines whole again. Furthermore, the Sage was the first person to give the knowledge of Ninjutsu. Now if one is to consider the other two factors, it's obvious that the spiritual energy or Chakra was there but the means to harness its power were not.

Put the God Tree into equation and it probably - my best guess, given the mentioned information - acted as a catalyst or even became a source of knowledge as in the Christian and Islamic Mythos. Now once I combine all of the missing pieces, I become hard-pressed to not brush aside the obvious tear in the theory in regards to the Sage being the sole father or Adam for all the blood-lines. It completely goes against the established factors.

Naruto may unlock the Rinnegan as you suggested, but, if the author clings to a thing called Logic, it seems quite the impossibility to me. So far most people supporting the Sage being an Uzumaki himself will have to reconcile with the idea that this Blood-line simply branched off from the Senju Clan - the thinned line of the younger son, as explained by Obito. Albeit Naruto is called an Uzumaki, he doesn't share a pure blood-line, whereas Sasuke does and so did Madara because of Clan in-breeding. Uchiha Clan is one of the most pure lines in the entire manga.

If you consider these factors, it seems more logical - despite the fact that I am not all too thrilled for it - for Sasuke to go beyond the barriers of Eternal Mangaeko Sharingan to Rinnegan rather than Naruto, who not only has nothing in common with the aforementioned blood-lines but is an impure Uzumaki. He might have been called by his father Clan, as he's what you would called a hybrid child as far as blood-lines go. So does that put all of the previous tablet talk? Your guess is as good as mine. And for Naruto to unlock the Rinnegan; I for one would find the elaborate liberties to be just as distasteful as others such as Minato's varied modes for starters. This one is a dead end for me, given the large and glaring evidence from the not-so-distant chapters. It would be like ignoring the elephant in the room.

Then is the case with Sasuke. Kamui - if you recall Obito's chapter Alive, I believe that is what it was called - was present when Obito still had 2 Tomoes as - if memory serves me correctly - Madara explicitly comments that Obito survived from getting completely crushed as he 'somehow seemed to slip away' from the boulder. We are all fully aware that Obito's Kamui is two-fold and yet, it's the same technique. He simply teleports his body that comes in contact with any attack in lieu of objects.

Now this could be a good indication of time manipulation based on 'Necessity', as he was about to be crushed to death, hence the desire in his mind to Slip or Elude Fates. This is interesting, as the brain's thought patterns trigger the Sharingan Mutation in the first place. I have a theory as to why Itachi's MS or Moon eye which is Tsukuyomi is more developed than most Uchihas and yet, still at a lesser tier than Shisui's. It's because of Uchiha scrolls he deciphered or read along with tablets when he was young. This was explained through Sasuke's conversation with Hizuren. Shisui already had developed MS and had excess to the tablet and could decipher more. I am adamant in my beliefs that it's the tablet that triggers the Doujutsus to develop in certain manners.

Madara wanted to protect his clan, hence Perfect Susano'o was acquired quickly during his prime, Sasuke wanted revenge, hence variants of Sun eye or flames of hell, Itachi deceived and lied just like Shisui - both worked as double agents - hence Moon or Illusions. Obtio's eye reacted to save his life, hence the notion to 'slip through or away from fate'. I doubt he had read the tablet as he was killed on the battle-field when he awoke the Sharingan the first time, but the other evidence is quite suitable as to how the eye itself reacts to the individual wielding it and how the tablet escalates the process.

Given the evidence, Obito only had the ability to 'Slip through or away' but by seeing the contents of the Tablets through Madara's Genjutsu, he was able to fully develop the ability to teleport others effectively. Then is the issue of MS's development into EMS. Recall the chapter where itachi tells the tale of attaining Eternal Light. It shows a statue of EMS with four eye sockets. It shows three Tomoe Sharingans but those are 'Clear' metaphors, as all MS have different patterns bar Obito and kakashi's as, let's face it, those are Obito's eyes. This would mean that EMS is developed through fusion of two MS pairs and this would ultimately translate into Sasuke possessing the power of his own and his brother's eyes.

I am very certain that that image you posted of Sasuke doesn't take the 'flow of power' in a literal sense, but it's a very common metaphor and more so, in regards to eyes that lose their light and attain in eternally through taking another ones as well. This is further backed by the fact that many Uchihas had MS and yet Sasuke is the second person to unlock EMS, which would mean that when the eyes still have a bit of light, they are harnessed by another to regain the ultimate form of Sharingan. And that would be an impossibility, as no one would be ready to relinquish their eyes. If what you suggest - and others - is possible then Madara won't be the only one to attain EMS before Sasuke.

Now coming back to the main point, then yes, Itachi specified that there would be a new doujutsu once one acquires EMS. Now what alterations did the tablet made within Sasuke? Was it to rectify history future in regards to the political setup? I think given his latest leanings, I suggest that he wants to change the fate of the future by breaking free of the illusion that would manipulate 'Time'. So yes, I do agree - and I have made this point myself as well on many occasions - that Sasuke would attain Yomi as you put it or a new Time Manipulation technique.

Great Read. I cannot rep you as I need to spread it around first, but a thanks is in order. If I can manage it, as most forum functions do not even work for me. I apologize beforehand if you don't see thanks from me under the said tab. Great Job. Also, I hope I didn't drag this along to long. Lol
I took my time reading this, since it seems interesting. You don't talk recklessly, and so I have to be consequent based on your serious behaviour. So while time passes, enjoy...

First of all, I have to say the first reason under Narutoverse's logic of why Sasuke can't awake the Rinnegan in his current state: He lacks the means to obtain the Younger Son's Bloodline Power, a primordial requisite to awake the Sage's Doujutsu.


  • Madara used the Gedou Mazou as catalyst to harvest Hashirama cells
  • From these cells, Madara created the Zetsu
  • Madara used these cells to reconstruct the lost half of Obito
  • Madara, thanks to these cells, awake the Rinnegan at the end of his normal lifespan
Other quality information says that the Uzumaki bloodline is very compatible with the power of the Senju, and this is related to the great ability to use of the Rinnegan by Nagato. It was stated too that the Uzumaki clan is a distant relative of the Senju, and so it makes sense to assume that Nagato would be able to use at least half of Rinnegan abilities.

The problem relies in the possibility of Nagato truly using the full power of the Rinnegan... did really Nagato use the Rinnegan at its fullest? Who can assure that Nagato really used the 100% of Rinnegan, and he didn't use just the first 50% (Younger Son related abilities)? Manga only gives us the relationship between the Uzumaki and the Senju in a explicit manner, but there is nothing related to the Uchiha, yet.

Now, if you read the references I made some posts earlier, you'll realize that the Rinnegan comes from the power of both Elder and Younger son through the relationship of Yin and Yang Energy, so as Sasuke already have the Yin energy in his bloodline (Spiritual power) he could achieve Rinnegan by getting a huge bump of Yang Energy (Physical power). In order to have this resource, he has options...


  • Hashirama DNA? Doubtful (Maybe Orochimaru could do something about this)
  • Yang Kurama's Chakra at a huge rate
Madara said that he had to be in the end of his lifespan in order for this event to take place. Sasuke would need something else in order to awake the Rinnegan, or other power, for instance, the Elder Son's Doujutsu by efficiently focusing extreme quantities of Yin energy on his eyes, enough to revert the effect of the thinned Bloodline. Who knows, maybe Minato giving him the power of the Yin Kurama, or something alike.

...hence there is no proof that can enstablish a relationship between the Uzumaki and the Uchiha Clan (rather than the Uzumaki Clan Symbol), there is a primordial fact that can link Naruto with the possibility of awakening the Rinnegan, and this possibility doesn't anything to do with his own bloodline. This is related to the mix of Yin and Yang Energy, the same method used to create the Elder and the Younger Son of the Sage of the Six Paths, using reverse engineering: Combine the Spiritual power and Imagination (basis of yin energy) and the Physical Power and the Lifeforce (basis of yang energy) to recreate the powers of the Sage, ergo, the awakening of the Rinnegan as a result of the mix of Yin and Yang Energy (instead of using DNA, in this case only high quantity of chakra would be used). Naruto is already halfway to achieve this, even if he doesn't know.

You in the other side, aluded to this:

Naruto may unlock the Rinnegan as you suggested, but, if the author clings to a thing called Logic, it seems quite the impossibility to me. So far most people supporting the Sage being an Uzumaki himself will have to reconcile with the idea that this Blood-line simply branched off from the Senju Clan - the thinned line of the younger son, as explained by Obito. Albeit Naruto is called an Uzumaki, he doesn't share a pure blood-line, whereas Sasuke does and so did Madara because of Clan in-breeding. Uchiha Clan is one of the most pure lines in the entire manga.
I invite you to prove the impossibility of Naruto awakening the Rinnegan. I bought you the possibility excluding the Uzumaki bloodline factor, and I used only logic.

PS: Thanks for the read, your recollection was indeed insightful.
 

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I did take the liberty to high-light all possible forks for the story; the sage being an Uzumaki being one of them. I did go explicitly into the argumentation surrounding the original factors concerning the blood-lines and the Chakra argument. This is where the 'main' disagreement lies.

@ Hirudora

I appreciate that you took the time to read it. The post was quite long. I may have gotten carried away a wee bit. I am afraid I cannot offer a detailed counter for today, at least, henceforth, I will post short pointers, as that is feasible for me for now:

- I am not completely positive that Sasuke would acquire Rinnegan. The dichotomy was created to form a parallel that which seems more logical. This will not alter how the manga would itself proceed, but the established logic is there.

- As you pointed out yourself, Orochimaru is a factor here and he is or would be willing to aid Sasuke. That is a matter of certainty.

- Uzumaki and Senju are distantly related, and posses different bodily Traits, which includes the notion of a distinct chakra pattern resulting in better 'Life Forces'. Even their physical traits are quite starkly different. Kabuto highlighted this during his conversation with Itachi and Sasuke. No apparent parallels were made to Senju Clan. Which implies that differences are definitely there.

- Your possibility stems from 'Relation' of Senju and Uzumaki, when the manga is not only sketchy but very grossly scarce on the details. yes, the manga may as well steer this way but would that be completely logical? No. The manga established that you need both Senju and Uchiha dna in the purest forms to develop the power of the sage; Rinnegan. What is a distant relative? The term distant hardly implies close genetic line, but something that forked off from Senju. If that is not how it is meant to be deciphered, then how should it be? Can one ignore the elephant in the room called 'Distant Relative' and the logical connotations? No, we cannot.

Madara could have opted for Uzumakis as well. There was no reason to invite the wrath of Hashirama - he challenged the entire village but regardless - for Senju dna. The manga already established that Senju Dna is a definite and absolute prerequisite for EMS's mutation. He even goes as far as to mention that one cannot use the Mezo effectively and even pointed out that Obito's control was better than Nagato's. This puts more weight on the argument as Obito is basically Madara with implanted Rinnegan. He is from a pure Uchiha Line and possesses the Dna of the other half. All these factors cannot be ignored.

I have already exceeded the pointers to hilarious proportions, but, there can be several logical answers for Naruto receiving the Rinnegan and he would probably as well, given the stance this manga has taken in regards to keeping record of earlier made statements, but that doesn't mean it would clash with what the author has stated himself.
 

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Since you requested for something insightful, it might drag on from my end as well. This would have to do with certain inconsistencies and possible loop-holes in the manga which can be exploited for different factors. I will begin by suggesting that you actually took time with the analysis, so that in itself is quite commendable, my friend. I have disagreements, henceforth, I hope you do not hold it against me.

First is the trouble with the God Tree granting chakra. Either everything is lost in translation or something went wrong with Kishimoto, then it was a established fact from the start - and was repeated through out the course of the manga - that Chakra is a fusion or combination if Physical and Spiritual energy. Now unless people were devoid of Spirit altogether, then one can believe that the Sage somehow began the line that would carry it, making it seem that he would be the first human or Adam - the allegory of Ambrosia just cannot be overlooked.

I will add something from my post on another forum:

The whole tree and knowledge debate is very odd given the inconsistent flip-flopping nature of its author.. At first, it was set in stone that Uchiha and Senju were the thinned blood lines from the older and younger sons, hence the only people explicitly connected to the sage. This is backed by the development of EMS into Rinnegan; as Madara explicity explains that both Senju and Uchiha Dna are required to make the whole or make the two forks or blood-lines whole again. Furthermore, the Sage was the first person to give the knowledge of Ninjutsu. Now if one is to consider the other two factors, it's obvious that the spiritual energy or Chakra was there but the means to harness its power were not.

Put the God Tree into equation and it probably - my best guess, given the mentioned information - acted as a catalyst or even became a source of knowledge as in the Christian and Islamic Mythos. Now once I combine all of the missing pieces, I become hard-pressed to not brush aside the obvious tear in the theory in regards to the Sage being the sole father or Adam for all the blood-lines. It completely goes against the established factors.

Naruto may unlock the Rinnegan as you suggested, but, if the author clings to a thing called Logic, it seems quite the impossibility to me. So far most people supporting the Sage being an Uzumaki himself will have to reconcile with the idea that this Blood-line simply branched off from the Senju Clan - the thinned line of the younger son, as explained by Obito. Albeit Naruto is called an Uzumaki, he doesn't share a pure blood-line, whereas Sasuke does and so did Madara because of Clan in-breeding. Uchiha Clan is one of the most pure lines in the entire manga.

If you consider these factors, it seems more logical - despite the fact that I am not all too thrilled for it - for Sasuke to go beyond the barriers of Eternal Mangaeko Sharingan to Rinnegan rather than Naruto, who not only has nothing in common with the aforementioned blood-lines but is an impure Uzumaki. He might have been called by his father Clan, as he's what you would called a hybrid child as far as blood-lines go. So does that put all of the previous tablet talk? Your guess is as good as mine. And for Naruto to unlock the Rinnegan; I for one would find the elaborate liberties to be just as distasteful as others such as Minato's varied modes for starters. This one is a dead end for me, given the large and glaring evidence from the not-so-distant chapters. It would be like ignoring the elephant in the room.

Then is the case with Sasuke. Kamui - if you recall Obito's chapter Alive, I believe that is what it was called - was present when Obito still had 2 Tomoes as - if memory serves me correctly - Madara explicitly comments that Obito survived from getting completely crushed as he 'somehow seemed to slip away' from the boulder. We are all fully aware that Obito's Kamui is two-fold and yet, it's the same technique. He simply teleports his body that comes in contact with any attack in lieu of objects.

Now this could be a good indication of time manipulation based on 'Necessity', as he was about to be crushed to death, hence the desire in his mind to Slip or Elude Fates. This is interesting, as the brain's thought patterns trigger the Sharingan Mutation in the first place. I have a theory as to why Itachi's MS or Moon eye which is Tsukuyomi is more developed than most Uchihas and yet, still at a lesser tier than Shisui's. It's because of Uchiha scrolls he deciphered or read along with tablets when he was young. This was explained through Sasuke's conversation with Hizuren. Shisui already had developed MS and had excess to the tablet and could decipher more. I am adamant in my beliefs that it's the tablet that triggers the Doujutsus to develop in certain manners.

Madara wanted to protect his clan, hence Perfect Susano'o was acquired quickly during his prime, Sasuke wanted revenge, hence variants of Sun eye or flames of hell, Itachi deceived and lied just like Shisui - both worked as double agents - hence Moon or Illusions. Obtio's eye reacted to save his life, hence the notion to 'slip through or away from fate'. I doubt he had read the tablet as he was killed on the battle-field when he awoke the Sharingan the first time, but the other evidence is quite suitable as to how the eye itself reacts to the individual wielding it and how the tablet escalates the process.

Given the evidence, Obito only had the ability to 'Slip through or away' but by seeing the contents of the Tablets through Madara's Genjutsu, he was able to fully develop the ability to teleport others effectively. Then is the issue of MS's development into EMS. Recall the chapter where itachi tells the tale of attaining Eternal Light. It shows a statue of EMS with four eye sockets. It shows three Tomoe Sharingans but those are 'Clear' metaphors, as all MS have different patterns bar Obito and kakashi's as, let's face it, those are Obito's eyes. This would mean that EMS is developed through fusion of two MS pairs and this would ultimately translate into Sasuke possessing the power of his own and his brother's eyes.

I am very certain that that image you posted of Sasuke doesn't take the 'flow of power' in a literal sense, but it's a very common metaphor and more so, in regards to eyes that lose their light and attain in eternally through taking another ones as well. This is further backed by the fact that many Uchihas had MS and yet Sasuke is the second person to unlock EMS, which would mean that when the eyes still have a bit of light, they are harnessed by another to regain the ultimate form of Sharingan. And that would be an impossibility, as no one would be ready to relinquish their eyes. If what you suggest - and others - is possible then Madara won't be the only one to attain EMS before Sasuke.

Now coming back to the main point, then yes, Itachi specified that there would be a new doujutsu once one acquires EMS. Now what alterations did the tablet made within Sasuke? Was it to rectify history future in regards to the political setup? I think given his latest leanings, I suggest that he wants to change the fate of the future by breaking free of the illusion that would manipulate 'Time'. So yes, I do agree - and I have made this point myself as well on many occasions - that Sasuke would attain Yomi as you put it or a new Time Manipulation technique.

Great Read. I cannot rep you as I need to spread it around first, but a thanks is in order. If I can manage it, as most forum functions do not even work for me. I apologize beforehand if you don't see thanks from me under the said tab. Great Job. Also, I hope I didn't drag this along to long. Lol
This post is incredible, bookmarked.

I'd + rep you again, but already did before.
 
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Madara wanted to protect his clan, hence Perfect Susano'o was acquired quickly during his prime, Sasuke wanted revenge, hence variants of Sun eye or flames of hell, Itachi deceived and lied just like Shisui - both worked as double agents - hence Moon or Illusions. Obtio's eye reacted to save his life, hence the notion to 'slip through or away from fate'. I doubt he had read the tablet as he was killed on the battle-field when he awoke the Sharingan the first time, but the other evidence is quite suitable as to how the eye itself reacts to the individual wielding it and how the tablet escalates the process.
If anything, your wording here validates Sasuke obtaining Yomi even more. All of what you described; Madara wanting to protect his clan gained Perfect Susano'o early as it "armors" his clan and gives them massive power capability. Itachi and Shisui having illusion based proficiencies coincides with their "agent" type demeanor that we know them for. And Sasuke now wants to eliminate the past/get rid of the current Bijuu's; it is a matter of perception and time, and given the abilities of Itachi's eyes and Sasuke's ability to manipulate Enton in to many shapes, the probability he would get "Yomi" has sky rocketed.
 

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^ Yes. This why I myself have stated it a couple of times in several threads that Sasuke will awaken a new Doujutsu that manipulates time. It actually fits with the whole Tablet notion and the eye wielder's belief.
 

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^ Yes. This why I myself have stated it a couple of times in several threads that Sasuke will awaken a new Doujutsu that manipulates time. It actually fits with the whole Tablet notion and the eye wielder's belief.
Honestly, even given the circumstances that I have proposed that Naruto will awaken the Rinnegan and have MORE chakra (given the cloak taken from the Bijuu), with enhanced abilities from Juugo (flesh infused), a Senjutsu ENTON Susano'o (his Susano'o and Enton techniques being amplified because of the scale of his Susano'o and the nature energy multipliers) with YOMI's umpteenth potential, I see it as even. The "hax" potential of Yomi is obscene. Rivaling, if not surpassing the infamous Kamui.
 

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^ My only hope is that Kishomoto hasn't forgotten about it. I think we can all agree that this manga doesn't make such sense now in regards to several previous factors. Regardless, I am still exited. The power to bend time together with Enton and Susano'o? It cannot get any more hax. Lol
 

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^ My only hope is that Kishomoto hasn't forgotten about it. I think we can all agree that this manga doesn't make such sense now in regards to several previous factors. Regardless, I am still exited. The power to bend time together with Enton and Susano'o? It cannot get any more hax. Lol

Haha, yea. Such destructive capability via Susano'o and Enton, and such impermeability and hax via Yomi. I too hope Kishimoto hasn't forgotten about it as well.
 

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We all appreciate excellent theories. I do.
But I highly disagree that Naruto would have Rinnegan.
I cant present supporting facts. it's just pure personal stand.

I mean the main character being so godly and all...flop
 

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We all appreciate excellent theories. I do.
But I highly disagree that Naruto would have Rinnegan.
I cant present supporting facts. it's just pure personal stand.

I mean the main character being so godly and all...flop

It's happened many a times in other manga and fiction. Not to mention, Sasuke is going to get quote on quote "Godly" regardless, so I don't see the problem with all this.
 
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