Is three tomoe Sharingan Sasuke stronger than 3 tomoe Sharingan Madara?

[KidGamer65]

Could Madara even make a katon that size though?
I thought it was due to hashi DNA, I mean even obito could make them that big.

Plus there's this.

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Also, I think Madara didn't gain control of Kyuubi until after he had EMS considering he didn't wear that attire until after the village was made.

Hashirama's DNA doesn't make jutsu stronger, so no, its all Madara.


This isn't Madara from the period he had 3-Tomoe, this is Prime Madara reduced to 3-Tomoe level, so yes he has Kurama if not restricted.

 

[LeSauce]

Hashirama's DNA doesn't make jutsu stronger, so no, its all Madara.


This isn't Madara from the period he had 3-Tomoe, this is Prime Madara reduced to 3-Tomoe level, so yes he has Kurama if not restricted.

I would think it would, considering obito was weaker than any other Uchiha yet can make it the same size. Also it has let him spam kamui without any side effects.

Where was that said? It just says 3 tomoe Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

I would think it would, considering obito was weaker than any other Uchiha yet can make it the same size. Also it has let him spam kamui without any side effects.

Where was that said? It just says 3 tomoe Madara.

Obito WAS weaker than any Uchiha, then he was taught by Madara, spamming Kamui means that he got more chakra and stamina, not that Kamui was made stronger, so no. Hashirama's DNA doesn't boost the power of techniques.

That's how it goes for all vs threads. When we say KCM Naruto vs X character, we take current KCM Naruto, not the KCM Naruto who had no cooperation from Kurama and no Oodama FRS unless specified otherwise.

 

[Noni]

I give it to Madara.

 

[saw2097]

No, Madara has superior Katon, superior taijutsu, and is far more experienced.

 

[Amaterasuice]

Madara has better Katon, more experience, better 3tamoe, better overall skills as a ninja.

However, Sasuke has a giant freaking snake, many lightning jutsus, a powerful katon, and a lot of feats.

But still, 3tamoe Madara>3tamoe Sasuke.

With curse mark, it might change.

 

[LeSauce]

Obito WAS weaker than any Uchiha, then he was taught by Madara, spamming Kamui means that he got more chakra and stamina, not that Kamui was made stronger, so no. Hashirama's DNA doesn't boost the power of techniques.

That's how it goes for all vs threads. When we say KCM Naruto vs X character, we take current KCM Naruto, not the KCM Naruto who had no cooperation from Kurama and no Oodama FRS unless specified otherwise.

Hashi's DNA allowed Obito to use kamui without any side effects, that's a boost. I never said it made kamui stronger.

Madar never trained Obito he did it on his own with the help of Zetsu;Madara was asleep.

Training and gaining MS doesn't grant you larger techniques what else could it have been?

Was it said in the post? Besides it was still thanks to his MS/EMS he was even able to do it, regardless of the 3 tomoe being shown, ( don't you remember what Itachi said?)had he not had it he wouldn't have Kyuubi.

 

[Champ]

Sasuke owns him

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashi's DNA allowed Obito to use kamui without any side effects, that's a boost. I never said it made kamui stronger.

You are only proving my point. I clearly told you that Hashirama's DNA doesn't increase the power of techniques, you mentioning Kamui only helps me. Did I say it doesn't provide a boost period? Nope.

Madar never trained Obito he did it on his own with the help of Zetsu;Madara was asleep.

Training and gaining MS doesn't grant you larger techniques what else could it have been?

lol? Yes it does. How do you think Naruto got Oodama Rasengan? He trained. It wasn't Hashirama's DNA cause it doesn't boost the power of techniques.

Was it said in the post? Besides it was still thanks to his MS/EMS he was even able to do it, regardless of the 3 tomoe being shown, ( don't you remember what Itachi said?)had he not had it he wouldn't have Kyuubi.

No, it wasn't, also no. Madara controlled Kyuubi

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you only need to possess MS to control it, apparently it doesn't need to be active.

 

[GiantShuriken]

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Wanna see Sauske do this

He did what Madara just did there, except against Cursed seal fighters. And with the handicap of restricting himself from killing them.

 

[LeSauce]

You are only proving my point. I clearly told you that Hashirama's DNA doesn't increase the power of techniques, you mentioning Kamui only helps me. Did I say it doesn't provide a boost period? Nope.

Madar never trained Obito he did it on his own with the help of Zetsu;Madara was asleep.


lol? Yes it does. How do you think Naruto got Oodama Rasengan? He trained. It wasn't Hashirama's DNA cause it doesn't boost the power of techniques.



No, it wasn't, also no. Madara controlled Kyuubi

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you only need to possess MS to control it, apparently it doesn't need to be active.

It gives a boost, and there's been different kinds. On Danzo it increased Izanagi's time and reduced KA's waiting period while also taking away the side effects of KA. Plus we wouldn't even know if it even gave Kamui a boost considering we've never seen it used without Hashi's DNA.

And even if it didn't make his jutsus stronger, it was what allowed them to even use a technique of that scale without fatigue due to the chakra boost. As you can see in the scan I posted Madara's Katon was significantly inferior to what he is showing now.

Exactly you need MS, something Madara doesn't posses in this fight. It's and MS power, not a 3 tomoe's.

 

[GiantShuriken]

Senju DNA helps techniques. It helped Orochimaru maintain his control over Tobirama and suppress him.

 

[KidGamer65]

It gives a boost, and there's been different kinds. On Danzo it increased Izanagi's time and reduced KA's waiting period while also taking away the side effects of KA. Plus we wouldn't even know if it even gave Kamui a boost considering we've never seen it used without Hashi's DNA.

Did it increase the power of any of these jutsu? No, so stop mentioning them as they don't help prove your point at all. It increased the duration of both these jutsu.

Hashirama's DNA does not amply the power of jutsu, manga fact.

And even if it didn't make his jutsus stronger, it was what allowed them to even use a technique of that scale without fatigue due to the chakra boost. As you can see in the scan I posted Madara's Katon was significantly inferior to what he is showing now.

Are you serious?

-That is Madara as a teenager, we are talking about Madara as an adult, as I said above training lets you learn newer better techniques. Moot point here.

-Speculation, that absolutely makes zero sense. Are you even listening to yourself as you think of what to type? Madara controlled Kyuubi against Hashirama for extended periods of time, utilized Susanoo and he fought Hashirama for 24 hours straight, yet you are telling me he needs a boost in chakra to use a simple Katon with no fatigue? Lmao, not a chance.

Exactly you need MS, something Madara doesn't posses in this fight. It's and MS power, not a 3 tomoe's.

Already proved MS doesn't need to be activated to control Kyuubi. Him having awakened MS is enough and you can't take that from him.

 

[Aya San]

Why is this even debatable?

 

[LeSauce]

Did it increase the power of any of these jutsu? No, so stop mentioning them as they don't help prove your point at all. It increased the duration of both these jutsu.

Hashirama's DNA does not amply the power of jutsu, manga fact.



Are you serious?

-That is Madara as a teenager, we are talking about Madara as an adult, as I said above training lets you learn newer better techniques. Moot point here.

-Speculation, that absolutely makes zero sense. Are you even listening to yourself as you think of what to type? Madara controlled Kyuubi against Hashirama for extended periods of time, utilized Susanoo and he fought Hashirama for 24 hours straight, yet you are telling me he needs a boost in chakra to use a simple Katon with no fatigue? Lmao, not a chance.



Already proved MS doesn't need to be activated to control Kyuubi. Him having awakened MS is enough and you can't take that from him.

It boosted Obito's strength here.

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Are you saying that Obito would be able to make a katon that big as well without the DNA? Because if Hashirama's DNA didn't help he should be able to.

This is Madara with 3 tomoe, not MS. Would we classify Kamui as a 3 tomoe technique because Obito used it with it?

 

[HiddenSound]

Hebi Sasuke has a chance, but Madara wins 7 or 8 times out of 10.

 

[KidGamer65]

It boosted Obito's strength here.

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Are you saying that Obito would be able to make a katon that big as well without the DNA? Because if Hashirama's DNA didn't help he should be able to.

This is Madara with 3 tomoe, not MS. Would we classify Kamui as a 3 tomoe technique because Obito used it with it?

I clearly said that it doesn't boost the strength of techniques, is punching a technique? No, so it doesn't invalidate my claim in any way shape or form.

Yes, he can make a Katon that big without the DNA as the DNA did not help him in this field at all, it doesn't boost the power of jutsu.

He doesn't need MS active to control the Kyuubi. Manga fact. Prime Madara already has MS awakened, manga fact. So the Kyuubi is available here. Also, Obito never used Kamui w/ 3-Tomoe, what are you even talking about?

 

[LeSauce]

I clearly said that it doesn't boost the strength of techniques, is punching a technique? No, so it doesn't invalidate my claim in any way shape or form.

Yes, he can make a Katon that big without the DNA as the DNA did not help him in this field at all, it doesn't boost the power of jutsu.

He doesn't need MS active to control the Kyuubi. Manga fact. Prime Madara already has MS awakened, manga fact. So the Kyuubi is available here. Also, Obito never used Kamui w/ 3-Tomoe, what are you even talking about?

It's taijutsu and it requires chakra( I think), Hashi's DNA boosted his strength, the same could happen to the techniques, just like SM increased Naruto's strength and techniques.

So Obito, who was most likely one of the weakest Uchiha ever (before he got a hax MS power), would have a katon on par with Madara, the strongest Uchiha ever, who had superior chakra compared to any other Uchiha, even before MS.

Obito has been using Kamui with 3 tomoe non-stop. When we say Obito with 3 tomoe we mean without any MS techniques, regardless of how they use them. This isn't Prime Madara who has EMS, this is 3 tomoe Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's taijutsu and it requires chakra( I think), Hashi's DNA boosted his strength, the same could happen to the techniques, just like SM increased Naruto's strength and techniques.

So Obito, who was most likely one of the weakest Uchiha ever (before he got a hax MS power), would have a katon on par with Madara, the strongest Uchiha ever, who had superior chakra compared to any other Uchiha, even before MS.

Obito has been using Kamui with 3 tomoe non-stop. When we say Obito with 3 tomoe we mean without any MS techniques, regardless of how they use them. This isn't Prime Madara who has EMS, this is 3 tomoe Madara.

Taijutsu doesn't require chakra, it has never required chakra. Sage Mode=/=Hashirama's DNA, that comparison isn't helping you here, and you are going to need proof for the bold, cause manga shows otherwise.

If you can't deal with that simple fact, then oh well, it doesn't change the fact its true. You are comparing a 13 yr old Obito to an adult 30 yr old Obito, who has much more experience. You aren't even making any sense here. You have done nothing to show that this is false.

You are going to need proof of this. Every time he's been shown using Kamui, his eye was NEVER shown. You saying he used it with 3-Tomoe is nothing but an assumption.

lol? If you don't how vs threads work I suggest you stop here, go learn, and then come back. This is Prime Madara who is restricted to his 3-Tomoe State. How hard is this to understand? It isn't rocket science. Do we take the KCM Naruto w/o Kurama's help and use him in vs matches or do we take the KCM Naruto who has his help? Obviously the latter.

 

[ROMO20]

No and still no. Madara has more combat experience and "stronger" Katons, I'm also sure he is better with gens because that's what he used on Kyubbi