[Theory] Princess Kaguya and Rikudou's Tribe Became the Uzumaki Clan

[2nd hokage]

More info that fits must be sir derp it could be true it fits the story shit I'm an idiot because I see it can be true nice post as always derp plus one to you sir

 

[Vennybear]

Possible, i sure believe you. If it's not completely correct it least a part is.

It would be strange cuz al you here about in naruto is about senju, uchiha, uzumaki, eddie's, so6p... would be strange if there was no connection at all between them... would also be meaningless to create a "mystery" around the clan and the destruction of it and also the rare but very powerfull remaining survivers like karin, naruto, nagato, and the clans knowledge of sealing and other stuff...
so yeah i don't think that's just some random idea of kishi

ALSO remember the part when naruto fought inside himself with Kurama and at the end Kurama was molding a bijuudama? Naruto twisted his seal and al the torii's came down to "imprison" Kurama for a while and Kurama was totally shocked and said Rikudou's....... O_O but didn't finish his sentence!

things to keep in mind

 

[Armathyx]

Well at least I didn't compare her to Karin Lol

It would just be easier for you to accept he's not an Uzumaki.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It would just be easier for you to accept he's not an Uzumaki.

But he is, from the progenitor line of the Uzumakis, I have always maintained that Rikūdo/Hagoromo belonged to the Pre-Ninjutsu Era Tribe of the Uzumakis which is revealed to be the Ōtsutski Line, I have never claimed that Rikūdo belonged to a Shinobi Clan because Shinobis came after him, but rather he belonged to the progenitor heritage of a clan: The Uzumaki Clan.

 

[beast7960]

Three sage modes we're aware of, three places for these sage modes, naruto originally went to train with jiraiya for three years, three man cell groups, three sannin, three dead hokages, there are three uchihas in the war, sharingan has three tomoes, there are three remaining jinchuuriki, madara had 3 brothers, juubi has three forms.

Sage had 3 sons, meaning there's one we don't know of, gg.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Three sage modes we're aware of, three places for these sage modes, naruto originally went to train with jiraiya for three years, three man cell groups, three sannin, three dead hokages, there are three uchihas in the war, sharingan has three tomoes, there are three remaining jinchuuriki, madara had 3 brothers, juubi has three forms.

Sage had 3 sons, meaning there's one we don't know of, gg.

That is conjecture and a gross contradiction of Manga Canon which states that Rikudou only had two children: The Elder and Younger Sons

 

[Moegi of Akatsuki]

My disciple Derp Obito is doing well I see.

 

[Aevis]

Maybe the sage is kind of like the Avatar. He can be reincarnated into whatever clan or tribe, in this case it's probably the uzumaki clan and he has reincarnated as naruto.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

My disciple Derp Obito is doing well I see.

Moegi-Sama long time no see! Lol

 

[Armathyx]

But he is, from the progenitor line of the Uzumakis, I have always maintained that Rikūdo/Hagoromo belonged to the Pre-Ninjutsu Era Tribe of the Uzumakis which is revealed to be the Ōtsutski Line, I have never claimed that Rikūdo belonged to a Shinobi Clan because Shinobis came after him, but rather he belonged to the progenitor heritage of a clan: The Uzumaki Clan.

So why would he change clan names after all the glory his former clan carried?

What do you make of the Hagoromo clan (Uchiha allies), considering that by Japanese tradition it would've been legitimate for Rikudo to rename the clan after himself?

What do you make of the fact that he cannot be distinguished as a Uzumaki by his abilities? (He doesn't have 1 Kekke Genkai, he either has all of them or none).

You can't label him a Uzumaki, because his clan name isn't Uzumaki, and his abilities don't make of him a Uzumaki.

If he was called "Hagoromo Uzumaki", and had been known precisely for having a large chakra amount and nothing else but that, then he'd have been one. But he's not known for that. He's known for his Rinnegan abilities and his Jinchuuriki abilities (which sincerely aren't reserved to Uzumakis, tons of people have been Jinchuuriki without the Kekke Genkai).

He's not, by any definition, what you want him to be. Even if he turned out to have red hair during his youth, it still wouldn't matter, because his abilities simply do not define him as any of the current clans, but rather a mix of all of them:

- His Rinnegan and intellectual capacity would make of him a Uchiha
- His physical strenght and control of nature elements (through his weapons as well) make of him a Senju
- His affinity for being a Jinchuuriki makes of him a Uzumaki

... and since it's said he created all jutsu, it's almost safe to assume he could also be part of any other clan.

A German is necessarily European. An European isn't necessarily a German. Apply that logic here and you get my point.

I've made two threads explaining this to you. You make arguments from ignorance and refuse to hear us when we explain to you point by point why it doesn't work.

 

[EdoDarkLighting]

I think that the Uzumakis should tie in with the jubi and the sage mom

or the the sage created the Uzumaki clan

 

[NaruSasuRival]

While I think Rikudo has some connection with the Uzumaki, the way Derp crafted this theory is too abusive. I think trying to connect Rikudo to the Uzumaki this way is really a forcing to stick to your prediction. From everything Madara said, there is one fact that is very meaningful to me. Madara did not say who asked the human not to eat the fruit. Who knew the consequence of eating the fruit in order to warn the people?

Clearly, Madara had a missing intel, and therefore, there is a third party in the story, who is not connected to the Uchiha. I think that they were some guardians of the Shinju tree. Also, it appears that according to the Madara, the woman was just a princess, but became powerful only after eating the fruit. Thus, as human, she was not that special before that.

Now, if Rikudo only had chakra and power due to the fruit his mother ate, I think it would be a plot hole for him to beat Juubi. The reason is that Madara said clearly that Juubi has mind able to claim what belonged to him. Thus, as the source of chakra, it could not be defeated by someone using part of his power. Therefore, I also think that the third party or the missing link in Madara's story knew also how to restrain Juubi. I believe the Uzumaki are this third party because the snapshot of their clan given by Kushina looked more like a religious clan. I also think that Rikudo's father will stem from the Uzumaki clan, and they already had sealing culture before Rikudo's birth.

Why do I have this belief?

Well, look how Minato and Kushina sealed Kyuubi inside Naruto. This Hakke fujin is more a religious ritual than a chakra-based Jutsu. Also, look at how Minato sealed half Kyuubi in reaper dead god. It is actually a ritual where one sacrifice his own life to deafed an enemy. It is more of human life being used than chakra. Finally, see how Orochimaru opened the belly of the reaper. He gave his body as the key using an object - a mask.

Thus, if we are critical and logic, Madara missing link is the Uzumaki clan. While they had shinobi able to use chakra, their initial jutsu are human sacrifice or ritual to fight against evil. They don't use chakra in their original techs. I think that with the knowledge of chakra, Rikudo refined their techniques to create chakra-based sealing techniques.

 

[Draxus]

Why do I have this belief?

Well, look how Minato and Kushina sealed Kyuubi inside Naruto. This Hakke fujin is more a religious ritual than a chakra-based Jutsu. Also, look at how Minato sealed half Kyuubi in reaper dead god. It is actually a ritual where one sacrifice his own life to deafed an enemy. It is more of human life being used than chakra. Finally, see how Orochimaru opened the belly of the reaper. He gave his body as the key using an object - a mask.

Thus, if we are critical and logic, Madara missing link is the Uzumaki clan. While they had shinobi able to use chakra, their initial jutsu are human sacrifice or ritual to fight against evil. They don't use chakra in their original techs. I think that with the knowledge of chakra, Rikudo refined their techniques to create chakra-based sealing techniques.

The hole in your theory is that is still takes chakra to create the seal that summons the Shinnigami.

Also about the part where you say there is missing info. The answer is simply lost to time like all superstitions and folklore it was passed down from generation to generation no one knows where it started but people still took them as true. Makes no sense for there to be some guardians and they not be mentioned in the story Madara told.

 

[Trollasaur]

lol @ people in this thread.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

The hole in your theory is that is still takes chakra to create the seal that summons the Shinnigami.

Also about the part where you say there is missing info. The answer is simply lost to time like all superstitions and folklore it was passed down from generation to generation no one knows where it started but people still took them as true. Makes no sense for there to be some guardians and they not be mentioned in the story Madara told.

Even if you can summon the shinigami using chakra, the shinigami himself is an entirely independant being from a different realm. My point is that Minato created his jutsu based on an Uzumaki jutsu. It does not state that the only way to bring the shinigami is by using chakra to open the portal. The way Orochimaru opened the portal using a mask also suggest that there are ritual item that could be use for the sealing. Another fact is that unless it is proven, normal humans are not born with chakra, but can mold their chakra. Rikudo did not give them chakra. Rather, he taught them how to make chakra from their energy. Thus, the Uzumaki could have been using chakra with their sealing without knowing. This happen in real life where you can find a plant that heal a sickness without knowing the actual process going on a a cellular level until academic people discover the chemical responsible for the healing.

About the info missing, the fact that it is not recorded on the stone tablet prove that the person who wrote that tablet did not have it. Thus, Madara can say that it was lost due to time while time did not destroy the tablet. My opinion is that the Uchiha are irrational, and as they can read the tablet to resurrect Juubi, someone else has the power to stop them. That person must know the missing piece.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

lol @ people in this thread.

Lol @ you.

 

[chaos control]

Nice theory, but there's one problem. The Uzumakis are known for their powerful chakara and life forces. The key word here is chakara. Kaguya obtained chakara by artificial means (eating the fruit). She did not inherit it. You kept saying that the sage's kindred (aunts, uncles, cousins, etc...) became the Uzumakis instead of his direct descendants, but as I stated before Kaguya did not inherit her chakara. This would mean that any siblings, nephews, nieces, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc... that Kaguya had would not have chakara. Only Kaguya's direct descendants would have chakara.Therefore, any of the family members that I just listed (who would technically also be cousins, aunts, uncles, etc... to Hagoromo) could not have any of the properties that we know Uzumakis to have. The most they could have is just the surname itself, but none of the powerful qualities. Think of this analogy: If I got a mutation that turned me into superman, would that mean that my sister and my cousin and both of their descendants would get super powers? No! It wouldn't matter if they were my kinsmen. Only my child and my child's child (and so fourth) could inherit these powers. Therefore, the uzumaki clan has to stem from one of Hagoromo's sons (unless it somehow turns out that "Uzumaki" is just a name and that all Uzumakis are actually just full Senjus who simply have the name Uzumaki because one of the Senju clan ancestor's descendants had a daughter that just dropped the name Senju and gained the name Uzumaki from getting married.)

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I think that the Uzumakis should tie in with the jubi and the sage mom

or the the sage created the Uzumaki clan

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Armathyx]

My thoughts exactly.

Why did you ignore my post?

 

[biswa112]

Relating real world myths with a fan fiction one is too negative...as in naruto kishi has only extracted ideas from real world myths but has not related in either sense!!