[Theory] Princess Kaguya and Rikudou's Tribe Became the Uzumaki Clan

[ethris]

You must understand the paradigm that Kishimoto works on, all major wars and battles in Narutoverse are engaged by clans/tribes, I see no reason why he would suddenly have a paradigm shift.

lol youve said stuff like that about how the uzumaki are definitly the clan that the sage was born into. and when people argued you would say the evidence irrefutably points to it. or the sage is definitely an uzumaki.. and ud add abunch of nice pictures you abtained from comparing pictures and comparing the manga to religion but with no definitive proof. and than your theory was proved wrong in one chapter.. and now your going for another theory but completely disregarding the guide lines of your first theory such as the uzumaki being around before the sage.

so sorry derp ur logic has been proved to be not very helpfull

 

[Ōkami]

A beautiful theory.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nice to see you back bro.

I like the theory as well.

Thanks bro! :bouncy:

 

[raziel777]

You must understand the paradigm that Kishimoto works on, all major wars and battles in Narutoverse are engaged by clans/tribes, I see no reason why he would suddenly have a paradigm shift Ninjutsu or Pre-Ninjutsu Era.

Because clans are mostly a ninja thing ? We've seen regular people in Naruto. There are even countries. The Village System was created by Hashirama/Madara. Before that, there were ninja clans fighting for countries. With that system, an alliance of clans made a village which became the face of a country, like Konoha and the Fire Country. Not everyone is from a clan and certainly not the regular people of the ancient times. But everyone is from a country.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

@raziel777

I would also like to point out that the setting of Kaguya and Rikudou's Era was inspired from the age of animism/shamanism since they worship the Shinju/God-Tree which indicates an age of tribal shamanism.

 

[Itachi The Solo King]

This is amazing. nice thread

Enjoyed the read

 

[-Punk-]

I still believe !

PS: The Princess has nothing to do with Sakura , Shut the hell up . you know who you are .

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I still believe !

Indeed, the Uzumakis, like you always say, are royalty.

 

[ethris]

@raziel777

I would also like to point out that the setting of Kaguya and Rikudou's Era was inspired from the age of animism/shamanism since they worship the Shinju/God-Tree which indicates an age of tribal shamanism.

your logic is no longer even usable. you said all these comparisons to religion before. but uve showed no proof from the manga. just because u can wiki somethign and find a comparison to a religion doesnt mean kishi did. if it was like that this last chapter wouldve said the sage is an uzumaki and so is his mother and dad. but it didnt. it didnt follow your comparisons it didnt follow the religion u pointed out. and it didnt follow your prediction like u said it wouldve definitively done. so how do you explain that? by switiching ur prized theory around so u can end up being right?

btw why dont u answer my post

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's a perfect setting: Uzumakis were distant relatives of Rikudou's Children's Clans because the Uzumakis descended not directly from Rikudou Sennin/Hagoromo but from his and his mother's Tribe/Kinsmen which became the Uzumaki Clan.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It's a perfect setting: Uzumakis were distant relatives of Rikudou's Children's Clans because the Uzumakis descended not directly from Rikudou Sennin/Hagoromo but from his Tribe/Kinsmen which became the Uzumaki Clan.

Derp, all shinobi were born from the Sage's Kinsmen.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Derp, all shinobi were born from the Sage's Kinsmen.

Nope, factions/tribes/clans were already in existence back then, as you can see they are engaging war on one another:

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Not all of them are blood relatives. They were factions of different tribes/clans.

 

[raziel777]

@raziel777

I would also like to point out that the setting of Kaguya and Rikudou's Era was inspired from the age of animism/shamanism since they worship the Shinju/God-Tree which indicates an age of tribal shamanism.

Religion is complicated. Did you know that the Shinto religion is animistic ? Nothing was said in the recent chapter about shamanism/tribes

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In the middle panel, we can clearly see that civilization was at an advanced stage. The weapons, the way they dress. All of it make them look more than typically tribal people

 

[Souji]

This week's chapter does not disprove that the Uzumaki clan were descendants of the same lineage as Rikodou.

I think you modified your theory very well; there is a good possibility that the Uzumakis are descendants of kin of the same tribe as Rikodou.

What I am more concerned about, is the supposed "retcon" of chakra.

I think chakra is inherent in every being, the fruit does not grant the user chakra, but is rather, akin to the "Apple of Knowledge" of its obvious Biblical influence. It grants the eater the ability to "know" and "use" chakra.

A better thing to discuss now is what might happen if the fruit spawns again; since shinobi now have the ability and knowledge of chakra.

 

[ethris]

It's a perfect setting: Uzumakis were distant relatives of Rikudou's Children's Clans because the Uzumakis descended not directly from Rikudou Sennin/Hagoromo but from his and his mother's Tribe/Kinsmen which became the Uzumaki Clan.

a perfect setting didnt help your last theory, but regardless of this theorys inconsistency's. are you basically saying your whole first theory was wrong? id like an answer to that atleast and than il shut up

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Religion is complicated. Did you know that the Shinto religion is animistic ? Nothing was said in the recent chapter about shamanism/tribes

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In the middle panel, we can clearly see that civilization was at an advanced stage. The weapons, the way they dress. All of it make them look more than typically tribal people

The key difference is the anthropomorphization of the object of divinity: in Rikudou's Era they worship nature in the object of the Shinju/God-Tree, in other later religions like the Egyptians/Babylonians,etc. they worship an anthropomorphic representation of divinity like Ra, Osiris, Beelzebub, Amaterasu, Susanoo, etc.

 

[Daien]

your logic is no longer even usable. you said all these comparisons to religion before. but uve showed no proof from the manga. just because u can wiki somethign and find a comparison to a religion doesnt mean kishi did. if it was like that this last chapter wouldve said the sage is an uzumaki and so is his mother and dad. but it didnt. it didnt follow your comparisons it didnt follow the religion u pointed out. and it didnt follow your prediction like u said it wouldve definitively done. so how do you explain that? by switiching ur prized theory around so u can end up being right?

btw why dont u answer my post

Derp,
It certainly would seem that Ethris has posed some legitimate questions. He isn't throwing blind insults at you, he is just pointing out that other poeple's ideas have greatly contributed to your "theories" which have clearly changed over time. As Kishi reveals more of HIS Narutoverse, your "Fan Fictions" as I perceive them, become less and less significant. And I think your sense of entitlement to the attention of all those who participate in Narutobase forums is absolutely evident of your false pride.

 

[FearxDeath]

I believe we are flirting with the line between following the facts and making the facts follow us. If anyone else had said something in regards to this then I would have to tell them that they didnt meet their burden of proof.

But seeing as to how Derp has already proven, without a doubt, that not only are their striking symbolism that links the Sage to the Uzumaki but also how unlikely that the Uzumaki are a branch of the Senju. The only option left is that the Sage has something to do with the Uzumaki. And thus any reasonable theory regarding that would be more likely than the idea of the Uzumaki being a branch of the Senju.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Derp,
It certainly would seem that Ethris has posed some legitimate questions. He isn't throwing blind insults at you, he is just pointing out that other poeple's ideas have greatly contributed to your "theories" which have clearly changed over time. As Kishi reveals more of HIS Narutoverse, your "Fan Fictions" as I perceive them, become less and less significant. And I think your sense of entitlement to the attention of all those who participate in Narutobase forums is absolutely evident of your false pride.

Good Sir I do not have such things as false pride, if you perceive me of having such a detrimental quality then there's nothing I can do about it, however I must categorically deny your accusations.

 

[Daien]

The key difference is the anthropomorphization of the object of divinity: in Rikudou's Era they worship nature in the object of the Shinju/God-Tree, in other later religions like the Egyptians/Babylonians,etc. they worship an anthropomorphic representation of divinity like Ra, Osiris, Beelzebub, Amaterasu, Susanoo, etc.

Really? Maybe you should interview Kishimoto directly so you can tone down your rhetoric. You are doing what most English teachers tend to do, desperately trying to prove your intellect to a bunch of teenagers by "discerning" more than the author intends.