[Foolish Little Woodson vs. EjBlack] Killer Bee vs. Kakuzu
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Kakuzu was assign to get the 8 tails jinkuriki, by the Akatsuki. Goal is to do it at all cost. Kakuzu's age in the manga seems to benefit him with vast knowledge, on what been happening in the Shinobi world. He can articulate this to help him be prepare in combat, especially facing against the second strongest Buijuu.
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Kakuzu knows when to take a fight seriously from the beginning, all depending on what he knows about a
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. Assigning to go after the 8 tails will be no joke here. With that said it's time for Kakuzu to do his job:Confronting Each Other In Base Form.
Since Kakuzu lacks feats of his Earth jutsus(Yes the "S" at the end), Thanks
Bee has two option to get some intel on Kakuzu.
1. Throw a Lightening pencil (If he has one in this match up it doesn't matter)/one sword.
2. Using his Kenjutsu prowess to overwhelm him
But lets take these into consideration when Kakuzu has to deal with both of them.
1. Kakuzu by all means can react to as much as his fellow Akasuki member, as they was said to have to same speed (even though he displayed it a bit better. As for proof of reaction? He he had shown ability to interpret a kunai w/ exploding tag was coming towards him, even after dodging the first attack, on
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Kakuzu will be overwhelm with his unorthodox fighting style, but with Bee's powerful strikes will be the downfall of damaging his very sharp thin
Will result to make it snap.
Which concludes that Killer Bee's style will be Nerfed (Nerf= To diminish the power or effectiveness of...
To make less potent.)
With this said Killer Bee's chances now is to channel Lightening to one of his sword to end the game. But with his style being Nerfed it will be easier for Kakuzu to not fall for a
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, it is best to approach what Killer Bee can do in CQC, so he can analyze what to do next. Bee has two option to get some intel on Kakuzu.
1. Throw a Lightening pencil (If he has one in this match up it doesn't matter)/one sword.
2. Using his Kenjutsu prowess to overwhelm him
But lets take these into consideration when Kakuzu has to deal with both of them.
1. Kakuzu by all means can react to as much as his fellow Akasuki member, as they was said to have to same speed (even though he displayed it a bit better. As for proof of reaction? He he had shown ability to interpret a kunai w/ exploding tag was coming towards him, even after dodging the first attack, on
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and a character attempting to catch him off guard, even trying to land a
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. The best succession Bee can pull is leaving a burnt scrape to the side he dodged. Kakuzu will now know that he can use lightening affinity, the same way Kisame analyzed his
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(Which may I say is smarter than). 2.
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Kakuzu will be overwhelm with his unorthodox fighting style, but with Bee's powerful strikes will be the downfall of damaging his very sharp thin
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. How? the answer is simple, #domutanksall. Bee's style was shown to use a spin attack to built momentum with his strikes. He also does this to leave no blind spots. With that said if Killer Bee is going to perform a powerful strike:
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Will result to make it snap.
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Which concludes that Killer Bee's style will be Nerfed (Nerf= To diminish the power or effectiveness of...
To make less potent.)
With this said Killer Bee's chances now is to channel Lightening to one of his sword to end the game. But with his style being Nerfed it will be easier for Kakuzu to not fall for a
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. It will also make
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more useful in this situationConcerning Killer Bee Powerful Cloak
Its time for Bee to kick it up a notch, as expected.
This mode is just powerful quality of pure chakra. So much chakra that even the Kusanagi can't pierce this type of cloak. So this means logically and reasonably, for all V2 Buijuu cloaks. But this should not faze Kakuzu at all:
After Kakuzu witnessing the power of V2 cloak this will make him more vigilant when facing this transformation. And with current evidence showing how to take care of V2 in the manga it is safe to make this premise valid.
Kakashi has said
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This mode is just powerful quality of pure chakra. So much chakra that even the Kusanagi can't pierce this type of cloak. So this means logically and reasonably, for all V2 Buijuu cloaks. But this should not faze Kakuzu at all:
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Kakashi has said
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. With such high caliber that was able to cancel Kakashi strongest penetrating
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. Because of the high caliber Kakuzu posses of penetration, it is equivalent when Kakashi Lightening as cut through
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. Taking a direct hit from the converged lightning spear will either severally wound or even kill him. Either way it makes V2 cloak futile, when it comes powerful penetration that he had displayed.Concerning The Final Transformation, Buijuu Mode
Kakuzu may or may not not know if he is a perfect jinjuriki, since he was surprise when the 2 tail host went
But we do know that Kakuzu's elemental attacks will be useful due to the monster being a bigger target. For now I will discuss about Kakuzu Fire tech.
Its common sense that Full Buijuu of Bee lacks movement due to its weight, size, and tentacles for mobility. Although he has still shown impressive movement regarding the things I list[
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. (What is with "This" "Jinjiruki").But we do know that Kakuzu's elemental attacks will be useful due to the monster being a bigger target. For now I will discuss about Kakuzu Fire tech.
Its common sense that Full Buijuu of Bee lacks movement due to its weight, size, and tentacles for mobility. Although he has still shown impressive movement regarding the things I list[
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], we still have to take into consideration on what he is knows what happens next in order move and prepare himself. But regardless it is futile due to how his Fire jutsu
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. If you read, it explains that it starts from ground, meaning that it will start from traveling Bee's footing. Due to the list of why Bee Full Buijuu lacks mobility, he will struggle to jump over it. But not only that, the jutsu then starts growing to a wave, meaning it will eventually
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then just the footing. Thus injuring Bee ( for now =) )Concerning Tail Beast Bomb
I think its common knowledge and common sense that the Akatsuki, who's goal is to capture these creatures, needs something to counter and prepare to face their strongest attack TBB. So far we have seen
The manga has shown that the TBB is able to deflected/change its course with immense
Naruto has also shown that he held, alter, and forced Bee's
By making his mask fly to the
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and
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confrontation, of their personal ways to counter it. So how can Kakuzu personally counter this? Lets take a look:The manga has shown that the TBB is able to deflected/change its course with immense
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(explained from
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).Naruto has also shown that he held, alter, and forced Bee's
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. With that said Kakuzu personal move to redirect the attack is using his In dense Pressure Jutsu.[
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]By making his mask fly to the
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to the side he can either use the pressure to
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on Bee and also redirect it to where it will be safe to explode.This is my Introduction.
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Regarding the reaction feats you showed with kakuzu making the accusation that he will be capable of evading the raiton enhanced pencil or his sword for that matter are probable but they are not enough to conclude that he would be capable of doing the same against kisame.(not downplaying kakuzu's reaction time feats, he has shown outstanding speed and reaction feats in the manga) The very same scan you showed regarding Kakuzu Doton elemental techniques a few scans before that he falls victim to a
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. Not only will kakuzu be struggling with Bee's
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coming from the side leaving him vulnerable to a raiton enhanced projectile which even kisame had trouble when he was cornered. In a essence kakuzu will be corned in a similar fashion by Bee with the use of utilizing his tentacles dealing a fatal blow with his raiton.Your argument for Bee snapping his weapons are arguable. When his blade snapped his blade wasnt covered in raiton
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. The scan before that we clearly see
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. The absence of the raiton could had played a factor in the sword snapping but then again how did you come to the conclusion that it wouldnt effect domu? It's weakness is raiton. Unless you mean his sword won't be covered in raiton when his fighting kakuzu? which doesnt sound plausible. If the raiton sword makes contact with domu no doubt in my mind it will make impact.Don't see how you think jingou is a factor here. We already saw how kakashi
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. Or if your implying kakuzu will restrain Bee to the point where he cant move his arms then thats no problem considering his tentacles can simply reduce the impact of getting smashed into the ground. Not too mention his brute body is quite durable as he took a kick from sasuke
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. I wont deny Bee in base probably wont Blitz kakuzu though.Im sorry but what? V2 rapes. It is not futile here. The scan you showed of kakashi using lightning cutter were on the arms and limbs of jinchuriki. How you even came to the fact that kakuzu's lightning mask will even touch Bee is amusing enough when even
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Anyways its still questionable if the lightning spear would be capable of cutting/wounding bee just because kakashi's lightning cutter cut off a few limbs.
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For the most part I admit lightning mask would be danger if made contact but sadly it isnt touching V2 Bee.Sorry but his fire mask isnt doing shit to the 8 tails honestly. It tanked it's own Bijuu dama from the 10 tails. Not too mention it can simply produce a
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protecting itself and effecting kakuzu and his masks. Sorry but bijuu have different forms of their TBB. Instead of producing it in a ball form they can simply release it as a beam and i highly doubt kakuzu's wind pressure jutsu would be capable of changing the course of the TBB beam much less a normal TBB. It took the force of
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to change the course of the TBB. Speculating that the wind pressure jutsu has the same force as another tbb combined from 6 other bijuu is funny at best.
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Concerning the scan of him falling victim to a leaf subordinate: Kakuzu was in the middle of talking with Team 10. Not to mention that the scene Kakuzu he insulted them, showing that it wasn't even that serious that they did that. Then effortlessly gets out. There shouldn't be any interference for this match up. Even though I don't agree with the scan of leaf subordinates as a valid example of Kakuzu failed reaction, you did a very good counter using Bee's tentacles tactic regardless, I can see that happening. I also can see Kakuzu planing one step ahead too. If Bee's attacks were to make debris across the ground during their CQC encounters, that can give Kakuzu some time to
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his arm and use it at the right moment, when he is trapped. Killer Bee expecting to finish him off, Kakuzu will use it at the right moment to pop out and either grab Killer Bee from the neck or an arm grip that was about to give the killing blow. Yes the my argument was concerning excluding lightening. Lightening is> to Earth so thats why I didn't bring it up concerning Bee's Kenjutsu. While Bee fights with Kenjutsu he wasn't shown to channel lightening while fighting with 7 swords at the same time so my premise was to take advantage of the situation and nerf his fighting style. It will then force Bee to channel lightening to substitution the swords the was damaged. If the raiton sword makes contact with domu no doubt in my mind it was do more then impact, it will break Domu defense. Kisame's own words proves the high caliber of Bee's
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.Yes it was regarding restraining Bee to the point where can won't use Raiton since Kakuzu should be to that point that he knows how dangerous his Raiton is. Everything else in this paragraph I agree.
I'm sorry that I wasn't clear I didn't mean V2 was futile in general but commenting about its protection against Kakuzu's Lightning. I don't think it matters if it were on the arms and limbs since it still has the quality of V2 cloak, pure, and powerful chakra. Nothing suggest that limbs are any different then the actual body since the limbs can extend and expand while keeping the same quality of V2 shroud. As for Kakashi situation we cannot conclude that Kakashi dodged it because he wasn't there when Gian was charging to attack Shikimaru and Choji he was off panel escaping the wind attack. That is seconds/minutes it is to conclude him coming back. We don't know how long it took him to jump. Neither do we know how much he jumped nor do we even known when he started the jump during the period of time of absent. So using Kakashi as proof will not work until a clear determination. But what we do know [
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] The scan said that "it is exceedingly difficult to dodge a lightning bolt flying at high speed", showing the foot work is nearly impossible to dodge. It also says that the lightening is converged: (of several people or things) come together from different directions so as eventually to meet. Bee V2 will encounter the Lightning given the scans I shown.TBB has always been a inconsistent way of damaging things in the manga. Indeed Bee tanked its own TBB from the 10 tailed and then again he
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, to the point that he can no longer fight but
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. So tanking is not the best word to use. We have seen Killer Bee taking damage of things that aren't even destructive as TBB. Like
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and a fire
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. That is evidence to show he is not walking away with no damage from Kakuzu's Fire Release. The whirlwind is actually not the best idea for protection, as the Wind is able to increase
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. There is plenty of other scans proving this
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. Pretty much gg when that happens. The only thing that will happen in this whirlwind process is destroying that Lightening Mask. So when this attack happens the Lightening Mask by no doubt is gone. But it is also risky when Kakuzu's fire is in play.Now back to the TBB lol, I think you taking my premise out of context by no means did I meaning that his pressure has the same force to move 6 other Buiiju's at the same time as we are talking about one opponent here and that Killer Bee. Those scans were examples on what you can do to a TBB. I even shown that Naruto's strength was able to push it (Even though that chakra ball was shown to be concentrated and very heavy. Kakuzu's jutsu Pressure Damage has demonstrated its power to push Killer Bee's TBB. As for the different forms Remember that the SA was able to move the 10 tails with team work. Thats enough evidence that just the 8 tails blast can be moved alone with just that Pressure attack. But I did play it safe and say that the wind will attack punch Bee, personally from the side so his face will be redirected to another position.
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Gawd Dawm you read it already lol. I put so much time on that to make sure I said everything right lol!
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lmao i didnt read it yet bro xd but i can tell by the length and glancing over it a bit that its a great counter *_* ill have mines up in the morning
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i havent red the posts but even without samehada and continuous TBB bee still wrecks this
Ej i wish you severe luck my friend P.S may i be a judge this?
Ej i wish you severe luck my friend P.S may i be a judge this?
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To those who is continuously sprouting Bee's victory how about you read the current arguments done so far with an open mind. And wait until both contestant have said what they need to say regarding this match up to see how it can concluded.
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Lolz... You're obviously trolling or retarded.
Killer Bee could probably take down Kakuzu without his Bijuu. And since The Eight Tails isn't restricted Kakuzu gets completely obliterated.
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I don't really see talking to team 10 being a legit excuse to him getting attacked by those leaf subordinates as I can probably recall more shinobi have been in tougher situations and still managed to intercept a surprise attack but for the fun of it ill give you satisfactory regarding this matter.
Regarding kakuzu using his arm as a sneak attack your not taking into fact that when kakuzu pulled that off he ceased the moment of the confusion with the smoke cloud which gave him that opportunity to use his right arm under the ground.
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When we take this into factor I highly doubt will fall victim to kakuzu right arm so easily. Even if kakuzu managed to trick Bee with his arm when bee is off guard it will only delay his own death for the time being.
So we both agree his raiton enhanced kenjutsu will shit on kakuzu's Domu? Ok.
Alright.
But then again as i pointed im aware the limbs have the quality and chakra of V2 that I wont deny. But it's still questionable if the limbs still have the same quality and durability as the Jinchuriki since they are formed from other methods via their arms but it doesn't matter as the raiton mask is not touching Bee in V2 mode regardless.
Im sorry but what? Kakashi was capable of
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before the lightning spear reached shikamaru and Choji. That alone always saids it isnt touching V2 Bee with his immense speed. Your acting like the lightning spear has the speed of kirin.Your not really getting the point here. It's that fact that it had to take a TBB from itself to make it reach it's limit. The power of kakuzu's masks do not have the insane power of a TBB that would suggest that it would harm or make the 8 tails reach it's limit. The only mask that would prove troublesome would be the lightning mask as we saw how sasuke's chidori spear managed to cut off the 8 limbs. Not that it matter as seeing kakuzu wont even survive that long to the point where the lightning mask is troublesome. Also your not taking into factor that the 8 tails was also fighting other tailed beasts and taking various other attacks which also played a part in it wanting to recover from it's TBB.
The acid and fire wall from obito's uchiha kenjin left mere burn marks on the 8 tails. I know that wind strengthens fire but in this case it wont. Once the whirlwind is released everything in its range will sucked in. Including the masks and kakuzu along with it which means even if the fire gets strengthened which I doubt it will have any effect on the 8 Tails considering the wind will probably blow the fire away in different directions, kakuzu and the masks are also in danger of the whirlwind plus his own katon due to him getting sucked in.
So your saying the wind mask will hit the 8 tails from the side of it's face thus redirecting the TBB? Probable but I doubt it. Even if the wind pressure is capable of pushing his face to the point where he redirects the ttb it doesnt make them safe from the blast radius. First and foremost the wind mask will have to travel up to the height of the 8 Tails and that not assuming the 8 tails doesnt notice the mask and simply flicks it away.
It took a few seconds for it to full charge it's TBB
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I wont deny the wind pressure jutsu wouldnt be capable of redirecting the TBB while the 8 tails is charging but i simply don't see it. The Hachibi already has way to guard itself from it by simply gripping the wind mask with it's bare hands not too mention the wind masks will have incoming tentacles in it's way as it's about to reach the 8 tails face. But lets say the wind mask does push the 8 tails face with the pressure jutsu thus redirecting the ttb or ttb beam..
The blast radius is simply
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to assume that kakuzu and the waste of his masks will be safe. Not too mention even if the 8 tails ttb get's redirected and he misses his target ( kakuzu ) I see no reason why he can't form more...
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Ight..
Yes I did take that into the fact on how he was able to have to to use it (First sentence):
If Bee were to make debris in that battle feild you are going to see some dust clouds uprooting from the given location. If you don't believe Bee will create them then Kakuzu, in
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, will do it himself.It will delay its death but I am adding more premises, that will force be to rely on his Buijuu as his Base is not enough to try and kill him, as he will be in too much trouble, with the points I made. Kakuzu can use his
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to finish the
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right after Bee gets tricked from underground arm uprooting. Yes I agree but don't throw away my main argument just because of that one sentence. So I'll leave them here quoted:
If its questionable still, regardless of my my proof, and you having no back up to disprove it being any different, then lets leave it at that.
Saying that is not touching without proofing why it wouldn't. Don't do that.. Or maybe your proof is concerning Kakashi, that gives it the evidence?
When did Kakashi start blitzing to the scene? Ino started running toward the scene way before Gian was even fired and that begs the question, When did Kakashi start running to the scene?
The jutsu, as seen on it's only usage, requires a brief, but very conspicuous, charge time. Even the slowest shinobi with a stat of 1/5 should react to it. Ino saw it charging and started running to his teammates. Her teammates were even able to prepare what they could for it. So the question is when did Kakashi start running to his teammates as well? Did he sit around while it was charging and only starting blitzing to the scene after it was fired? And also the attack came after the wind attack had completely calmed. Kakashi was enjoying a free time when it was charging as Hidan was temporary lost in the commotion. No one has been shown dodging it before, and no one, at Kakashi level, has even shown undeniable evidence that they can dodge it; and canon tells us that "dodging this thunder that comes flying at high speed is next to impossible."
You brought up Karin when it had nothing to do with this.. Karin was said its impossible to dodge. Lightning spear was said that it is NEXT to impossible to dodged. So no, don't change my words up please.
I will get to that on my last sentence of my rebuttal.
Please refrain of making such claims without explain how he won't survive that long.
That will be my premise soon.
Yes you are right. That scan was to prove Bee can take burning damage regardless of it being less destructive as TBB.
But in your case Wind>Fire? You can't do that as I already proved what will happen when Fire comes in contact with wind. The Kakuzu can endure the whirlwind with Domu, can reseal his mask inside him that can't possibly make it, the lightening can die from this point, and let the Fire do its work. Sorry mang the Fire will follow the direction of the wind's suction that I already proved.
Given the location there is enough
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for the TBB to travel further then the location he had previously fired
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. The wind mask will not have a hard time flying to the height enough of the 8 tails given the fact it was shown to maneuver the air the best out of all the other
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. The trees in this location dwarfs all of the character
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, which the wind mask can easily fly upward. That will be stupid if Kakuzu attempts to be in 8 tails arm range too, which he isn't. The manga has shown that gathering TBB makes them vulnerable since they have to concentrate in forming it too.That "few secs" shown in the manga pages gives enough time for him to counter it.
I counter this above with the "Winds mask range" and "the given location."
Same as above but about your last sentence:
It will be difficult to form another TBB for the fact that the Wind Pressure damage will being knocking him down. Bee has to recover first. We have seen him getting tackled from the
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and needed time to
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. Although the damage will be different form the 5yh tail and somewhat the force, but the force of the attack that Kakuzu wind as display is enough evidence of knocking him down, the fact that it completely destroy the dwarfing trees, without it slowing down and yet even the after match will still push
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Kakuzu Finishing UP
We both can conclude that non of Kakuzu's attacks can't one shot the Buijuu. So how will he defeat it? Well by adding up the damage he will be taking.
I already made a premises explaining Base form taking damage in my introduction, Severe Damage or possibly killing concerning V2, and explain the burning damage he will take for going full form. I also explain what Pressure Damage is able to do too, while countering TBB.
With that said Each of Kakuzu's element has shown to have its uses to take on Killer Bee specifically and each of these techniques will cause damage to him. So after all of the damage he will be taking for each element it is time to end it:
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Lets read that [X] above again.
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]It was said that by adding the wind attack, not only will it increase the flames power but it also mases it explosives, due to the pressure. It had proven itself when the fire+wind attack was creating
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on the
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. With that said:
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Not only were the previous damage I explain concerning all stages Kakuzu will face, but using this type will
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will force Bee to
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at this point. With that said Kakuzu can pick and choose how to finish this U_U.
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