Seal is of the Essence Here, Scorpseh - By Lili-Chwaaaaaaaan

[Lili-Chwan]

About the same as an explosive tag but stronger.

Yes, same as that seal minato used on Obito for the contract with the kyuubi, remember? its something similar.

yes.

yes. just be sure to run away in time. It triggers on foreign chakra... you placing it on a person means its basically explodes right after...or amost immediately after.

I think so. It work by detecting foreign chakra and using it as a trigger so i assume any chakra is capable of doing that effect.

anyone that isn't you. You can make it avoid someone or a summon because you know the chakra signature and can write the seal in a way that avoids triggering by them.

Ah very informative, thank you!

 

[Scorps]

Now, side tip...you can make this insanely powerful by combining it with Shadow Shuriken Clone technique... U_U

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Will the explosive tag multiply as well?

 

[Scorps]

Yes. Its true that with a wind technique for example or a fire one, its easily counterable even if you are facing like 100 flying kunais with explosive tags going your way. But in some situations like when using hidden mist, it can be epically dangerous. You hinder your opponents sight and then you throw a kunai with this tag up high multiplying it to the thousands. He is then showered by thousands of basically timed bombs. lol

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Indeed, thank you very much

 

[Scorps]

( Chakra Haisui Fūin no Jutsu ) – Chakra Suppression Seal Technique
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 20
Damage points: N/A
Description: The user places this seal on the forehead of a Jinchuuriki influenced by the powers of a Bijuu, to forcibly cause the Bijuu's powers to recede. The Jinchuuriki becomes exhausted after this happens.
Note: This can only restrict Jinchuuriki in their Incomplete form, not when they completely transform into the Bijuu.


This one is to surpress jinchuriki chakra. As long as you place this in their forehead you can supress the bijuu chakra and revert him into a normal state as long as he is trying to accomplished or has accomplished an incomplete trasnformation. It also works for pseudo jinchurikiis.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

How would this fare against Nekura ninja? Since their Kagerou or whatever chakra is remnant of the Juubi chakra

 

[Scorps]

Hum...good question. My understanding would be that if they have their body infused with up to A-Rank Jubi chakra (basically, the same rank as the incomplete transformation jutsu if memmory serves me right) you'd be able to surpress that technique that is infusing them just the same.

It wouldn't however do anything to their inate imunity to genjutsu or foreign chakra. Only to technoques where they'd infuse themselves with jubi chakr.a

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I see. No questions then.

 

[Scorps]

Sorry for the delay.

Ok, these are the final seals that have actually a written formula and need a medium in which its written. All are prety much simple and all need you to apply a tag to either the target of the seal or to trigger the seal. Basically, all of them envolve, in one way or another, the placemenet of a tag.

( Shikoku Mujin ) - Four Black Fog Battle Formation
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Close
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: N/A
Description: When the opponent is trapped inside a container of some sort, the user places five sealing tags, on each side of the container forming a rough pentagon shape. The opponent is then locked in suspended animation for one turn.
Note: If the opponent escapes the container or shatters it before all the tags are placed, he avoids the technique fully.

Very cool if used with earth/crystal/steel etc techniques. Once you put the tags, the container becomes invulnerable for one turn, during which the enemy is trapped inside. Placing and activating it is hard, but not impossible in battle.

( Suji Haji Fūin ) - Muscle Restriction Seal
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A special fuuinjutsu utilized by taking a tag that bears the symbol for "Restrict". When placed upon the opponent it generates an electrical current that is not physically harmful. However this flows through the nervous system and restricts the movement of muscles. This slows down the opponent and prevents him from using A-rank Tai and above for three turns.

good against EIG users or strong taijutsu users.

( Chakra Taisan Fūin ) - Chakra Confusion Seal
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 40
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A special tag that utilizes the mark of confusion. When placed upon an opponent and using chakra it burns into the opponents skin. This chakra tag causes chakra to flow towards that particular area, causing a disruption within the flow of chakra as well as making it harder to control chakra(adds -10 chakra to any jutsu that the opponent will use for 4 turns).
Note: This jutsu can only be used twice in battle.

hard to use, not that useful but still interesting. You can put this i yourself to disrupt genjutsu put into you but with its drawbacks off course.

( Genjutsu Fūin ) - Illusion Skill Seal
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 40
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A special fuuinjutsu utilizing the illusion mark. When placed upon an opponent it fully incapacitates their ability to utilize any sort of genjutsu for four turns.
Note: This seal can be used only once per battle.

prevents the usage of Genujutsu techniques by preveting the enemy from molding chakra into the frequency and manner needed to induce genjutsu.

questions?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Sorry for the delay.

Ok, these are the final seals that have actually a written formula and need a medium in which its written. All are prety much simple and all need you to apply a tag to either the target of the seal or to trigger the seal. Basically, all of them envolve, in one way or another, the placemenet of a tag.

( Shikoku Mujin ) - Four Black Fog Battle Formation
Rank: B
Type: Supplementary
Range: Close
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage Points: N/A
Description: When the opponent is trapped inside a container of some sort, the user places five sealing tags, on each side of the container forming a rough pentagon shape. The opponent is then locked in suspended animation for one turn.
Note: If the opponent escapes the container or shatters it before all the tags are placed, he avoids the technique fully.

Very cool if used with earth/crystal/steel etc techniques. Once you put the tags, the container becomes invulnerable for one turn, during which the enemy is trapped inside. Placing and activating it is hard, but not impossible in battle.

( Suji Haji Fūin ) - Muscle Restriction Seal
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A special fuuinjutsu utilized by taking a tag that bears the symbol for "Restrict". When placed upon the opponent it generates an electrical current that is not physically harmful. However this flows through the nervous system and restricts the movement of muscles. This slows down the opponent and prevents him from using A-rank Tai and above for three turns.

good against EIG users or strong taijutsu users.

( Chakra Taisan Fūin ) - Chakra Confusion Seal
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 40
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A special tag that utilizes the mark of confusion. When placed upon an opponent and using chakra it burns into the opponents skin. This chakra tag causes chakra to flow towards that particular area, causing a disruption within the flow of chakra as well as making it harder to control chakra(adds -10 chakra to any jutsu that the opponent will use for 4 turns).
Note: This jutsu can only be used twice in battle.

hard to use, not that useful but still interesting. You can put this i yourself to disrupt genjutsu put into you but with its drawbacks off course.

( Genjutsu Fūin ) - Illusion Skill Seal
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra Cost: 40
Damage Points: N/A
Description: A special fuuinjutsu utilizing the illusion mark. When placed upon an opponent it fully incapacitates their ability to utilize any sort of genjutsu for four turns.
Note: This seal can be used only once per battle.

prevents the usage of Genujutsu techniques by preveting the enemy from molding chakra into the frequency and manner needed to induce genjutsu.

questions?

Yep:

For the first, can I place the seal on a thrown projectile and capitalize on the "invulnerability" part to make an unbreakable projectile? Or does it only work from the inside out?
If so, would that mean that, for example, if I use a B rank earth jutsu, any lightning jutsu from outside in C rank and above would just break the container and the seal, no extra defense added?

Questions of the other seals/all seals:
Does the tag have the same size as a paper bomb? Does the seal/writing appear immediately when I touch the opponent, no paper needed?

For the confusion seal, after I place it on the opponent, can I cast a genjutsu on them? With the new chakra flow, not in the transition part. Also, can this be used to make Hyuuga techniques and similar stronger? As in, place it on the palm, and make it so it's much more powerful to make chakra palm attacks? Or can I place it on my eye to make it so that my Sharingan works much better with more chakra? My Custom Clan, if approved, is based on a saturation of the chakra flow in the taste buds, making them more sensible, if I use this seal on my chakra buds, would my abilities increase? As in, it would scramble all my techniques for 4 turns, but certain techniques would experience a damage/power increase too? (Equal to +10 chakra, or +20 damage).

Btw, it says -10... does it mean a technique, say B rank, would require 10 more chakra in order to produce the same damage (thus spend 30 chakra, deals 40 damage) or does it mean it spends less chakra and makes the technique weaker overall (thus spend 10 chakra, deals about 20 damage)?



I have another general question, about disrupting seals:
Once it is place, can it be removed manually? Can I charge chakra through it? Is there a certain chakra that disrupts it better than others? Like, lightning to short-circuit the seal, or fire to burn it? If I cut the seal, would it disrupt/neutralize it or would it detonate it? I'm asking in relation to all seals, wrote on paper, on skin, in ink, in chakra, etc etc, including paper bombs. Also, regarding paperbombs, some jutsus say that shredding the paper bomb (cut it with wind), would detonate the bomb. Fire does so too, so lightning would most like do it too. But if I charge water, it neutralizes, right? If I knowledge of the paper bomb, with sufficient time/reflexes, I could simply neutrilize and explosion by grabbing the bomb and charge my water chakra passively, right? (Since the manifestation of pure water chakra is water particles, sagging paper.)

 

[Scorps]

first seal only works from inside out. From the outside, it doesn't change a thing. Adding it to a kunai wouldn't do anything good.

The chakra confusion skill simply makes it harder to mold chakra. It doesn't add damage. With hyuugas it would be a cool addition yes as well as taijutsu.

You cannot use it on yourself and have a positive outcome. If you place the tag on yourself, you'll suffer the 10 points chakra penalty to use techniques.

It makes the techniques spend 10 more chakra points and makes them harder to use. This means the opponent loses the one handseal perk or specialty speeds for example.

All of that may work if applied to the medium of the seal. In these cases, the medium is a tag, a paper tag similar to the explosion tag. Look at the mizukage when they were trying to seal him. He attacked the medium, the tag, disrupting the seal. Its the same as here.

However, unless the target is a sensor or has some sort of superhuman sensitivity or awareness he won't be able to sense a tag on him if he doesn't see it. This means countering the medium is very hard. A tag A-Rank would need A-Rank destructive actions to cancel.

Seals without mediums, wich actually have you as a medium, cannot be destroyed by elemental techniques. They need to be disrupted or released by specific fuuin techniques. This off course assuming you don't want ot destroy the medium. Example: to release a bijuu you need to unlock the seal right? If you destroy the medium, the seal ends, true but what is inside also suffers the same fate. However, if it wasn't an issue to destroy it, you could destroy the medium and the seal still ends. In jinchurikis the issue is that once you destroy the medium, the bijuu will dissipate and respawn in the wild somewhere else after some time.

Dunno if i answered it all.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

first seal only works from inside out. From the outside, it doesn't change a thing. Adding it to a kunai wouldn't do anything good.

The chakra confusion skill simply makes it harder to mold chakra. It doesn't add damage. With hyuugas it would be a cool addition yes as well as taijutsu.

You cannot use it on yourself and have a positive outcome. If you place the tag on yourself, you'll suffer the 10 points chakra penalty to use techniques.

It makes the techniques spend 10 more chakra points and makes them harder to use. This means the opponent loses the one handseal perk or specialty speeds for example.

All of that may work if applied to the medium of the seal. In these cases, the medium is a tag, a paper tag similar to the explosion tag. Look at the mizukage when they were trying to seal him. He attacked the medium, the tag, disrupting the seal. Its the same as here.

However, unless the target is a sensor or has some sort of superhuman sensitivity or awareness he won't be able to sense a tag on him if he doesn't see it. This means countering the medium is very hard. A tag A-Rank would need A-Rank destructive actions to cancel.

Seals without mediums, wich actually have you as a medium, cannot be destroyed by elemental techniques. They need to be disrupted or released by specific fuuin techniques. This off course assuming you don't want ot destroy the medium. Example: to release a bijuu you need to unlock the seal right? If you destroy the medium, the seal ends, true but what is inside also suffers the same fate. However, if it wasn't an issue to destroy it, you could destroy the medium and the seal still ends. In jinchurikis the issue is that once you destroy the medium, the bijuu will dissipate and respawn in the wild somewhere else after some time.

Dunno if i answered it all.

I believe you did. Though a follow up question, more specific. If someone places a Minato tag on me, can I use a chakra-burst type technique to disrupt the seal? (Case I have knowledge of it), if so, how much chakra would I need? S rank?

 

[Scorps]

Thats a no go. You cannot break the seal itself unless you know the key to it. The Thunder God Seal mark is a mark set on you. You are the medium itself. This means that unless you have a way to destroy yourself and then reconstruct yourself, the seal mark will always be there. Once marked, it was seen in the manga, that the mark even resists if the user of it dies. Minato marked obito ages before and obito suffered immense damage in other occasions, he could even become intangible and what not, yet the mark endured and when minato was revived from the dead, the mark was there. The mark only disappeared when Obito became the host of the jubi. And we can reason that it was because Obito's body was so massively reconstructed that it wasn't his body anymore thus not what Minato had marked. That or that his special jubi element (wtv its called) destroyed it.

Very good, as expected.

Fuuinjutsu is made up of 6 parts:

The Object/Target of the Seal (basically, whatever you're going to seal,. And in this its crucial to understand the latus sense of what it means to seal something. You are able to seal not only a physical object but also energy or even metaphysical events such as souls. You can also seal links, such as those of a contract summoner with his summon or other seals. You can seal movement but also memories or emotions. The broad range of sealing objects is enormous.)

The Medium/Vessel (basically, its what's going to contain the Object/Target. You can have organic vessels, inanimate or even simply pure chakra/energy as a vessel.)

The Trigger (not all seals have this but 90% of them have. Its what triggers the sealing technique. It can be anything from trying to speak of a secret to simple handseals or chakra. The trigger is always there in latent seals; time delayed seals such as danzo's juuinjutsu)

The Binding (as you said, it can be handseals, kanji formulas, etc. Its basically what will wrap, manipulate and contain the Object/Target into the vessel but also what alters the vessel to allow it to serve as a medium for the target of the seal. Its the most complex part)

Chakra (all seals require chakra to be produced, maintained or released. Chakra is what you expend to forcefully seal your target. This means that you'll always need to, as well, spend chakra to keep the target sealed. Some seals, such as the jinchuriki seals, don't use your own chakra (the one from the sealer) but that of the vessel, to keep the target sealed. Vessels can fuel the seals put on them if they are chakra sensitive beings. Because chakra is needed to keep the sealing, it has been verified that seals can also weaken with time as it deplets the chakra used to sustain it or as the vessel or binding becomes weaker/altered)

The Key (again, not all seals have this but most do. Its the key to unlock the seal and release whatever is sealed back into the world. A key can be anything from a sequence of handseals, which is more usual, to dna, like blood, or even a simple mental command)

Questions so far?

Remember this? in all seals to cancel or break it you need to either open it/release it or to destroy the medium in which the seal is placed. Its true for every single seal. The TG seal is set on you, same as the contract seal which means that you are the medium itself.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Ah okay, but I could be able to create a technique that serves specifically as a forged key, allowing me to open the seal, right? But I digress, that is in the world of custom xD
I'm without questions

 

[Scorps]

In theory yes. But since you brought it up, lets digess a bit in theoretical reasoning and assumption: How, in your opinion, does the TG mark work and how does the whole concept apply to fuuinjutsu and ninjutsu?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

In theory yes. But since you brought it up, lets digess a bit in theoretical reasoning and assumption: How, in your opinion, does the TG mark work and how does the whole concept apply to fuuinjutsu and ninjutsu?

Well, I thrust he found a way to incorporate the same type of ninjutsu that allows a blood seal to open a two way "tunnel" through time and space, which serves as the foundation of Animal Contracts and Summonings. The more scientific explanation would be a way to make ninjutsu alter the fabric of time and space, disrupting it is such a way that it creates localize "wormholes".

I'd say this procedure needs an anchor, in order for the traveling to be done correctly, as well as a great deal of chakra. In case of a summoning technique, the user utilizes blood as the anchor, and given the signed contract, it's akin to pulling part of your blood towards yourself, in which case, it's about pulling your blood-tied animal towards you, the bigger the animal, the more chakra it requires, along with certain preferences, the more tightly you relate to this or that specific animal.

I'd say, based on that, the second was able to put the anchor in just a seal, turning any medium affected by the seal into a rudimentary blood-seal. This way, in a very quick manner, he was able to change places with the anchor, a certain time/space swap.

It is said, by Minato himself, that the TG technique is an enhanced version of that seal. The "blood-seal" type of relation. What he did, was create seals interconnected with each other, each with the ability to instantaneously open a path to a second seal, and push through any thing in the area, at Minato's command. It's efficiency was pumped to the max, in order to make the transfer as quick as an instant, regardless of size and distance.

To be certain, Fuuinjutsu is, in essence, Ninjutsu, stored within a seal so that the effects of the chakra remain the same , and can be achieved somewhere else. It is, in essence, compact and mobile ninjutsu. The seal creates the time/space anchor, which opens the path to other dimensions, but it is, in essence, specialized Ninjutsu. I do believe the difference, though, is the anchor, which is the seal.

 

[Scorps]

A very reasonable explanation indeed.

Though, another question: why do we see the summoning technique time out and the animals returning to the original place? I mean, if they were simply broughout then once they arrived, no more action would be necessary to keep them there. In fact, they would need to return by using either their legs or a summoning technique but this time someone summoning them to their land right? How do you assume this works or why does it time out?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

A very reasonable explanation indeed.

Though, another question: why do we see the summoning technique time out and the animals returning to the original place? I mean, if they were simply broughout then once they arrived, no more action would be necessary to keep them there. In fact, they would need to return by using either their legs or a summoning technique but this time someone summoning them to their land right? How do you assume this works or why does it time out?

Well, I'd say it's based on that anchor too. Blood is a poor replacement for an actual living being.If we see the "wormhole" as a disruption of the normal flow of time/space, it is only natural that the unbalanced exchange that is Blood for a Blood-link, has a reasonable time limit and a restriction on the amount of chakra the summoner needs to have available to prevent the technique from collapsing and the summoned be reverted back to where he/she/it was.

This come to play in any sealing technique, and is been shown in the manga by the form of wearied out seals, loosing their strength, as was seen with Sasuke's seal against his Cursed Bite, or Naruto's seal against the Kyuubi. To a less extend, I believe all scrolls are restricted by the same timeout, yet the amount of chakra being moved, and causing the unbalance in the time/space fabric, is so little that is almost irrelevant. So maybe sealed scrolls with weapons, corpses, or maybe even ninjutsu/elements, would last several thousand years before wearing out, but would nonetheless wear out (And could serve as a basis of having Decay Release strong against Fuuinjutsu itself).

As for the 2nd Hokage's technique, he bypassed the unbalance by doing equal trade exchanges. Thus, I'd say, achieving perfect swaps. And, has enhanced by Minato, the FTG tag would follow the same principle. IMO.

 

[Scorps]

Ok, this is my opinion: the contract with summoning animals are in my humble mind a sealing technique. Although yes, we have it in Ninjutsu, I do believe its a seal.

Now, when the contract is made it has a description of all the animals you signed the contract with right? Along with that description you also should have their "original" location. The contract is then finalized and locked.

Now, blood for me is the key that opens the seal. Its a coded imprint that opesn it. Through DNA and chakra print.

Once you open the seal, the amount of chakra dtermines what you summon forth and with additional control you can select even similar animals from the same contact. The amount determines it because, like you said, you need to pull (so to speak) that animal to your location through space and time. Or do you?

When you do the summoning technique what do you generally do? slam a surface. To do waht? spread a kanji marking/circle right?

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now, what if you aren't really messing with space and time but actually sealing something into the contract and then unsealing it in your destination mark?

A summoning technique would be simply having a gigantic seal (the species contract) containing a link to all animals but also "permisisons" in the form of blood signings. When you activate the technique, you forcefully and remotely open the seal, sealing the animal inside and then unsealing it immediately through the use of your own kanji circle.

Now, chakra has to be expended because you need to keep the seal active to maintain the animal in the given spot as you are forcefully keeping the animal "sealed" in his position near you. The seal itself is being used throughout his summoning stay. And like any othetr technique, only when you spend chakra can a technique be active. Once it times out, the animal is pulled back into the contract and released in his original position.

Now, this is all "theories" with only my views on it. For all intents and purposes: its magic. lol it pops in and out and you simply need to pay chakra for it.

With the FTG, what I think happens is that you you are on end of the seal and the marking is the other. You seal yourself in your location and unseal yourself in the destination. Chakra serves as a mark to let you know where you can go. A beacon.

Tobirama use this by using it both ways. Sealing both him and the target and reversing their spots.

I think of seals as additional dimensions. Endless, immense and utterly infinte. When you open a seal, you open a spot to that location. When you open an exit from that location you can pull anything from whithin it regardless of where it is.

But again, this is my theory. roughtly put. on ipad so I simply wanted to write the core.