[Theory] Kirin will be Sasuke's weapon of choice against Juubito

[Blunt]

No, Kirin requires a massive amount of set up which takes time and chakra. And do you think Obito will sit still and let them do that, plus they really have only one shot with it, so if it doesn't finish him they are screwed, Obito can still dodge anduse his powers to deflect it.

Naruto landed a blow because he caught Obito off guard.

Kirin isn't a strategically sound jutsu to use, it would waste precious time instead of just creating openings and letting Naruto or Hashi blast him.


And that is assuming that Kirin is a natural chakra jutsu which I also doubt.

Nearly your whole argument is horrible.

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

Very true.

Kirin also hasn't been used in 250 chapters (5+ years), it's due for a comeback.

Its highly possible. Not to go off topic here but i wonder if sasuke has a more powerful version of kirin now. He used regular flames to heat up the atmosphere in the sky but what would happen if he used his inferno techs instead. We seen madara pull a meteor out of space with his susanno i wonder if sasuke will do something similiar with kirin since his susanno has the inferno orb.

 

[Senju Bean]

Kirin is a weak attack though. There's only so much lighting can do. It didn't even leave a crater the last time Sasuke used it. It also didn't scratch Susano. Obito's skin is way tougher than even Madara's Susano so what's the point? He can also phase though it if he wanted to.

 

[adeshina365]

Kirin is a weak attack though. There's only so much lighting can do. It didn't even leave a crater the last time Sasuke used it. It also didn't scratch Susano. Obito's skin is way tougher than even Madara's Susano so what's the point? He can also phase though it if he wanted to.

There's so much wrong with this post that I don't even know where to start.

1. Kirin decimated the Uchiha hideout mountain top.

2. Kirin obliterated Itachi's V2 Susanoo

3. A SM Rasengan made Obito cough blood, Kirin would do more. Also, since Obito became the Juubi's Jin, he has yet to use Kamui.

Literally every statement in your post is wrong.

 

[Senju Bean]

adeshina,

1) So..? A building. A regular missile can do that. Pitiful.

2) when was this? well, even so, it's gonna take a lot more than that, a lot more.

3) Sage Mode must be Obito's specific weakness. Like Kryptonite is to Superman. But if it's not sage mode related, even being dropped into a volcano wouldn't hurt Obito.

 

[adeshina365]

adeshina,

1) So..? A building. A regular missile can do that. Pitiful.

2) when was this? well, even so, it's gonna take a lot more than that, a lot more.

3) Sage Mode must be Obito's specific weakness. Like Kryptonite is to Superman. But if it's not sage mode related, even being dropped into a volcano wouldn't hurt Obito.

1. Missile.... what the hell are you talking about?

2. Read the chapter again. Itachi's Susanoo was completely destroyed. He had to reform it again.

3. Yah...you didn't even read the OP.

 

[Senju Bean]

ashina,

1) Let me spell it out for you. If the impact is not at least landscape changing, it's not gonna hurt Obito unless it's imbued with senjutsu energy. Also, a regular missile can destroy the uchiha hideout. But a true landscape changing attack would create a deep crater or valley. Kirin packs no such punch.

2)Fine then. But doesn't matter.

3) No Senjutsu is a mixture of natural energy, physical energy, and spiritual energy. Kirin is pure natural energy. That's why it doesn't hurt Obito.

 

[adeshina365]

ashina,

1) Let me spell it out for you. If the impact is not at least landscape changing, it's not gonna hurt Obito unless it's imbued with senjutsu energy. Also, a regular missile can destroy the uchiha hideout. But a true landscape changing attack would create a deep crater or valley. Kirin packs no such punch.

2)Fine then. But doesn't matter.

3) No Senjutsu is a mixture of natural energy, physical energy, and spiritual energy. Kirin is pure natural energy. That's why it doesn't hurt Obito.

1. Read the manga again. Yes it does. Besides, we already seen a SM Rasengan make Juubito cough up blood.

3. The only difference between typical ninjutsu and senjutsu is the natural energy component in senjutsu. Using logical deduction one can come to the conclusion that natural energy is what's allowing senjutsu to hurt Juubito. Hence the reason why I (and others), believe that Kirin has the potential to harm Juubito.

 

[Senju Bean]

1) Umm ok. If superman got stabbed by kryptonite, and he bleeds would we say his skin is soft? No! It just that it's his weakness. Same with Obito and Senjutsu.

3)No, it's like a chemical reaction. The 3 components form something new that is special enough to hurt Obito. If this weren't the case, then we can say that if, on a rainy day, by some freak accident, a big lighting bolt hits Obito and he dies. No way. Just no way. He's a demigod. He can hold antimatter and withstand BB's.

If the only thing that is seperating him from harm is weather an attack has natural energy or not, then the alliance could just kill him with arrows, kuanai, and exploding tags.

 

[FourthSmokage]

3)No, it's like a chemical reaction. The 3 components form something new that is special enough to hurt Obito. If this weren't the case, then we can say that if, on a rainy day, by some freak accident, a big lighting bolt hits Obito and he dies. No way. Just no way. He's a demigod. He can hold antimatter and withstand BB's.

Sasuke's Kirin isn't "a lightning bolt" Sasuke unnaturally intensifies the atmosphere to make an abnormally large natural electricity supply available. Probably enough to storm for or days. But Sasuke gathers all of the electricity at once and aims a super steroided out lightning bolt of natural energy (which is what makes senjutsu work against obito's ninjutsu canceling defences) turning Obito into the deep fried sage of the six paths.

If the only thing that is seperating him from harm is weather an attack has natural energy or not, then the alliance could just kill him with arrows, kuanai, and exploding tags.

Comparing arrows, kunai, and exploding tags to KIRIN THE UCHIHA THUNDER DRAGON is like comparing rocks and sticks to a missile launcher. Natural energy allows the user to get past Obito's jutsu of the sage that cancels out ninjutsu. However Obito's natural defenses would turn tags, kunai and arrows and a regular normal non-sauske lightning bolt to fodder.

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

Kirin is a weak attack though. There's only so much lighting can do. It didn't even leave a crater the last time Sasuke used it. It also didn't scratch Susano. Obito's skin is way tougher than even Madara's Susano so what's the point? He can also phase though it if he wanted to.

I think he may have a heightened form of it. Kirin is formed by heating up the atmosphere. Sasuke has inferno jutsu now not just regular flames. I think he may have a similiar attack to madaras metoerite . Sasukes susanoo carries the inferno orb.

 

[Senju Bean]

@fourthsmokage. Yes that is my point. He has more then just Omyoudon. He has natural defenses that are strong enough to stop kunai and exploding tags.

Well, Im saying he has natural defenses that can also tank a nuclear warhead.

 

[zzsdkzz]

Kirin is to natural lightning as Rasen Shuriken is to natural wind.

Neither of those are Sage based.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Kirin is to natural lightning as Rasen Shuriken is to natural wind.

Neither of those are Sage based.

This is... false.

Kirin is natural lightning powered by natural energy.

Rasen Shuriken is powered by elemental chakra (spiritual + physical energy).

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

This is... false.

Kirin is natural lightning powered by natural energy.

Rasen Shuriken is powered by elemental chakra (spiritual + physical energy).

Not to be offensive to this website but it seems alot of posters here do not know how to process information or read.
I noticed alot of unneccasary arguements are created because alot of posters here are nearly illiterate or may have a difficult time remembering certain information.

You clearly pointed out accurate information from the manag yet you still have people argueing with you.

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It clearly says in the manga thats sasukes kirin uses the power of the atmosphere itself and that the exact power sage mode draws its powers from.

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This isnt subjective this is objective. People write your own manga if you do not like the fact that Sasukes kirin technique could potentially hurt obito in his transcendant bijuu form.

Good find to the OP and stop argueing with Hirodura when hes presenting objective facts. Its making you look like clowns.

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

1. Read the manga again. Yes it does. Besides, we already seen a SM Rasengan make Juubito cough up blood.

3. The only difference between typical ninjutsu and senjutsu is the natural energy component in senjutsu. Using logical deduction one can come to the conclusion that natural energy is what's allowing senjutsu to hurt Juubito. Hence the reason why I (and others), believe that Kirin has the potential to harm Juubito.

Hey op what do you think of this..

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It said that Sasuke also used Itachis amarestu energy to heat up the atmosphere. It seems kirins power is derived from how much heat energy he can build prior to executing the technique. Thats what got me thinking about Sasukes new inferno tech and this

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It seems all his attacks are inferno base maybe he will use a final susanoo and shoot an inferno tech arrow into the sky and create a super kirin?

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Sasuke was born to solo

 

[adeshina365]

Hey op what do you think of this..

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It said that Sasuke also used Itachis amarestu energy to heat up the atmosphere. It seems kirins power is derived from how much heat energy he can build prior to executing the technique. Thats what got me thinking about Sasukes new inferno tech and this

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It seems all his attacks are inferno base maybe he will use a final susanoo and shoot an inferno tech arrow into the sky and create a super kirin?

That's exactly what I'm thinking, touched over this a bit in the OP. I think Enton overall could potentially speed up the entire process of creating the thunder clouds.

 

[Project706]

Natural energy =\= Senjutsu

"- Senjutsu uses Spiritual, Physical and Natural Energy (balanced 1:1:1 ratio)"

explain to me how lightning is composed of this

 

[hearteaterx]

The english dub of the anime definitely supports the idea that Kirin is nature energy. Zetsu says that Sasuke doesn't have to use his own chakra at all, he uses the enormous energy occuring in the atmosphere.

Unless someone is trying to argue that the energy in the clouds is chakra and that lightning is the clouds' ninjutsu, this theory holds up perfectly under scrutiny.

It's episode 138 btw, a far more legitimate source than any free manga scans with fan translations online.