KM Minato vs Kisame and Hebi Sasuke

[AGoodBoy]

WD counter:


V2 Bee was as fast as kisame in the WD. KCM is faster than minato bee, and minato just takes it to another level.

Minato makes a shadow clone and moves in two different direction. Minato's shadow clone has already been shown to be powerful enough to take a kick from juubi jin; same juubi jin that smashed through susano'o.

Adding the fact that KCM gives them near limitless chakra, and that the shadow clone can do anything the user can, nothing bar kisamehade ccan bring down that clone. Infact, kisamehade would have to go behind both of them himself to half any chance of catching them.

KCM minato/shadow clone outsspeeds kisame and breaks out of the dome and then summons the original.

There's even the case that minato can simply drop a kunai in the dome and keep running. Eventually the kunai will leave the dome and he can port out. Either way, KCM minato escapes WD.


Minato wins this. Hebi sasuke can't beat SM naruto, let alone a hokage.

 

[End of Days]

Minato literally one shots both of them

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

 

[Fodder#4]

WD counter:


V2 Bee was as fast as kisame in the WD. KCM is faster than minato bee, and minato just takes it to another level.

Minato makes a shadow clone and moves in two different direction. Minato's shadow clone has already been shown to be powerful enough to take a kick from juubi jin; same juubi jin that smashed through susano'o.

Adding the fact that KCM gives them near limitless chakra, and that the shadow clone can do anything the user can, nothing bar kisamehade ccan bring down that clone. Infact, kisamehade would have to go behind both of them himself to half any chance of catching them.

KCM minato/shadow clone outsspeeds kisame and breaks out of the dome and then summons the original.

There's even the case that minato can simply drop a kunai in the dome and keep running. Eventually the kunai will leave the dome and he can port out. Either way, KCM minato escapes WD.


Minato wins this. Hebi sasuke can't beat SM naruto, let alone a hokage.

The bolded are entirely wrong, sometimes baseless.

Let's start with this. Minato's speed is not even capable of being compared to Kisame's or Bee's when underwater. Bee has been shown using the extra tails as a way to propell himself through the Water Dome. Whereas Kisame has proven that both when and when not transformed, he is a speedy bastard in water.

Minato will be swimming, yes. Swimming. Not running. Who's to say he can even swim as fast as he runs? Look what happens here to Bee, a fast shinobi when he is forced to swim[

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

]. Yes, caught in seconds. In the Water Dome, foot speed is not a factor.

Now, from here we can counter the shadow clone plot you have hatched for Minato. While, it is a good idea. Kisame won't be falling for it. You've mentioned the fact that KCM gives him near limitless chakra, apparently? Look how quickly the Hachibi's chakra was absorbed here[

You must be registered for see links

]. KCM won't be lasting much longer then that.

Returning to the Shadow Clone Argument, nah. Kisamehada is a sensor[

You must be registered for see links

]. I am fairly sure that he would be capable of pointing out which Minato is the real one. As for the reverse summoning. Who's to say that Kisame himself does not use the Five Feeding Sharks Jutsu to trail on SWIMMING Minato and catch him in that. And, if you have thoughts about Minato escape. Think again.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Anything caught in the current will not be capable of escaping without being ripped apart. Quite the deadly jutsu, no? And, if this counter does you no good. Who's to say Kisame does not form a Mizu Bunshin or two before putting this Water Dome up? With each Mizu Bunshin, they could technically be capable of fusing with Samehada and gaining the same abilities as the original.

Just a few points that I should have mentioned earlier, that you may think are incorrect. I'll take this time to clear up my last two paragraphs. The Five Feeding Sharks is indeed a ninjutsu capable of being used by Kisame. It requires simply a dash of blood and a thrust. [

You must be registered for see links

] [

You must be registered for see links

].

And, as for the Mizu Bunshin idea. It's not entirely out there to think such a thing. The Mizu Bunshin have ALL capabilities as the original, just to a lesser extent. The idea of them possessing a fusion form; Something that hasn't even been shown to rely on chakra, and even if it did would be no problem for the clones of Kisame. Is an entirely plausible thing.

If you still do not believe me on the Mizu Bunshin idea, take a look at what the DB has to say on this jutsu.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

So, Kisame could either trap one of the Minato's, once again. Swimming, not foot speed. There is nothing to suggest he is capable of rivaling Kisame or Bee in the water, and he has yet to reveal chakra arms to help push him and increase his speed. Or, he could have Mizu Bunshin, before the Water Dome arises, to track down and capture and drain one of the Minato's.

This might get to the part where you assume that he can't have this sort of prep, the OP has stated no such thing and without knowledge; I doubt Minato would notice the Water Dome Moving swiftly enough to explore the idea of leaving a kunai behind to get washed away. So, I shall assume it's full knowledge.

An added note; to all who are using the Naruto blitzing of Kisame; Stop it. He was incredibly weakened at that point. His movements were lessened, it's obvious at how much of a disadvantage he was. While I am not saying Kisame can react to everything. There's no need to assume that every simple thing that any speedy character does to him will catch him of guard and defeat him.

 

[Zexion~]

The bolded are entirely wrong, sometimes baseless.

Let's start with this. Minato's speed is not even capable of being compared to Kisame's or Bee's when underwater. Bee has been shown using the extra tails as a way to propell himself through the Water Dome. Whereas Kisame has proven that both when and when not transformed, he is a speedy bastard in water.

Minato will be swimming, yes. Swimming. Not running. Who's to say he can even swim as fast as he runs? Look what happens here to Bee, a fast shinobi when he is forced to swim[

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

]. Yes, caught in seconds. In the Water Dome, foot speed is not a factor.

Now, from here we can counter the shadow clone plot you have hatched for Minato. While, it is a good idea. Kisame won't be falling for it. You've mentioned the fact that KCM gives him near limitless chakra, apparently? Look how quickly the Hachibi's chakra was absorbed here[

You must be registered for see links

]. KCM won't be lasting much longer then that.

Returning to the Shadow Clone Argument, nah. Kisamehada is a sensor[

You must be registered for see links

]. I am fairly sure that he would be capable of pointing out which Minato is the real one. As for the reverse summoning. Who's to say that Kisame himself does not use the Five Feeding Sharks Jutsu to trail on SWIMMING Minato and catch him in that. And, if you have thoughts about Minato escape. Think again.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Anything caught in the current will not be capable of escaping without being ripped apart. Quite the deadly jutsu, no? And, if this counter does you no good. Who's to say Kisame does not form a Mizu Bunshin or two before putting this Water Dome up? With each Mizu Bunshin, they could technically be capable of fusing with Samehada and gaining the same abilities as the original.

Just a few points that I should have mentioned earlier, that you may think are incorrect. I'll take this time to clear up my last two paragraphs. The Five Feeding Sharks is indeed a ninjutsu capable of being used by Kisame. It requires simply a dash of blood and a thrust. [

You must be registered for see links

] [

You must be registered for see links

].

And, as for the Mizu Bunshin idea. It's not entirely out there to think such a thing. The Mizu Bunshin have ALL capabilities as the original, just to a lesser extent. The idea of them possessing a fusion form; Something that hasn't even been shown to rely on chakra, and even if it did would be no problem for the clones of Kisame. Is an entirely plausible thing.

If you still do not believe me on the Mizu Bunshin idea, take a look at what the DB has to say on this jutsu.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

So, Kisame could either trap one of the Minato's, once again. Swimming, not foot speed. There is nothing to suggest he is capable of rivaling Kisame or Bee in the water, and he has yet to reveal chakra arms to help push him and increase his speed. Or, he could have Mizu Bunshin, before the Water Dome arises, to track down and capture and drain one of the Minato's.

This might get to the part where you assume that he can't have this sort of prep, the OP has stated no such thing and without knowledge; I doubt Minato would notice the Water Dome Moving swiftly enough to explore the idea of leaving a kunai behind to get washed away. So, I shall assume it's full knowledge.

An added note; to all who are using the Naruto blitzing of Kisame; Stop it. He was incredibly weakened at that point. His movements were lessened, it's obvious at how much of a disadvantage he was. While I am not saying Kisame can react to everything. There's no need to assume that every simple thing that any speedy character does to him will catch him of guard and defeat him.

Basically this ..except nah sensor's cant distinguish between caster and shadow clones :/ not that it helps much ..

Also i'd like to add that Bee's junchuriki is an octopus .. that can swim, So V2 bee is obviously going to have pretty damn good speed underwater

 

[ToshiZO]

Why is water dome being used as an issue? Minato will teleport out of that shit in seconds...lol he will never have the disadvantage in this fight. Kisame cannot tango with the likes of Minato its pretty simple, if that needs to be explained its pretty ridiculous.

 

[Zexion~]

Why is water dome being used as an issue? Minato will teleport out of that shit in seconds...lol he will never have the disadvantage in this fight. Kisame cannot tango with the likes of Minato its pretty simple, if that needs to be explained its pretty ridiculous.

please tell me how he teleports out of it without seals?

 

[ToshiZO]

please tell me how he teleports out of it without seals?

considering he has kunai spread practically everywhere and he can dish them out even while water dome is being put up....and the fact that he would have tagged Kisame before water dome was put up lol....oh and also the fact that water dome wouldnt even be allowed to be put up....

 

[Zexion~]

considering he has kunai spread practically everywhere and he can dish them out even while water dome is being put up....and the fact that he would have tagged Kisame before water dome was put up lol....oh and also the fact that water dome wouldnt even be allowed to be put up....

Kunai are not traveling far in water dome,

Water dome is basically instant ..a suiton previously used becomes the dome, And how would he have tagged Kisame ? lol if he comes close his KM shroud is absorbed by Samehada

 

[ToshiZO]

Kunai are not traveling far in water dome,

Water dome is basically instant ..a suiton previously used becomes the dome, And how would he have tagged Kisame ? lol if he comes close his KM shroud is absorbed by Samehada

haha please tell me you're kidding me...Minato blitzes Kisame goes back to Konoha gets some Ichiraku comes back and blitzes again....there is no way in hell he doesnt tag Kisame, Kisame will not be stealing anything from Minato. Who said Minato will throw Kunai when Water dome is up he does it before hand...and Kisame will not be allowed to use Water dome or any jutsu for that matter once he is tagged which will happen as soon as this fight starts.

 

[AGoodBoy]

The bolded are entirely wrong, sometimes baseless.

Let's start with this. Minato's speed is not even capable of being compared to Kisame's or Bee's when underwater. Bee has been shown using the extra tails as a way to propell himself through the Water Dome. Whereas Kisame has proven that both when and when not transformed, he is a speedy bastard in water.

Minato will be swimming, yes. Swimming. Not running. Who's to say he can even swim as fast as he runs? Look what happens here to Bee, a fast shinobi when he is forced to swim[

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

]. Yes, caught in seconds. In the Water Dome, foot speed is not a factor.

Now, from here we can counter the shadow clone plot you have hatched for Minato. While, it is a good idea. Kisame won't be falling for it. You've mentioned the fact that KCM gives him near limitless chakra, apparently? Look how quickly the Hachibi's chakra was absorbed here[

You must be registered for see links

]. KCM won't be lasting much longer then that.

Returning to the Shadow Clone Argument, nah. Kisamehada is a sensor[

You must be registered for see links

]. I am fairly sure that he would be capable of pointing out which Minato is the real one. As for the reverse summoning. Who's to say that Kisame himself does not use the Five Feeding Sharks Jutsu to trail on SWIMMING Minato and catch him in that. And, if you have thoughts about Minato escape. Think again.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Anything caught in the current will not be capable of escaping without being ripped apart. Quite the deadly jutsu, no? And, if this counter does you no good. Who's to say Kisame does not form a Mizu Bunshin or two before putting this Water Dome up? With each Mizu Bunshin, they could technically be capable of fusing with Samehada and gaining the same abilities as the original.

Just a few points that I should have mentioned earlier, that you may think are incorrect. I'll take this time to clear up my last two paragraphs. The Five Feeding Sharks is indeed a ninjutsu capable of being used by Kisame. It requires simply a dash of blood and a thrust. [

You must be registered for see links

] [

You must be registered for see links

].

And, as for the Mizu Bunshin idea. It's not entirely out there to think such a thing. The Mizu Bunshin have ALL capabilities as the original, just to a lesser extent. The idea of them possessing a fusion form; Something that hasn't even been shown to rely on chakra, and even if it did would be no problem for the clones of Kisame. Is an entirely plausible thing.

If you still do not believe me on the Mizu Bunshin idea, take a look at what the DB has to say on this jutsu.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

So, Kisame could either trap one of the Minato's, once again. Swimming, not foot speed. There is nothing to suggest he is capable of rivaling Kisame or Bee in the water, and he has yet to reveal chakra arms to help push him and increase his speed. Or, he could have Mizu Bunshin, before the Water Dome arises, to track down and capture and drain one of the Minato's.

This might get to the part where you assume that he can't have this sort of prep, the OP has stated no such thing and without knowledge; I doubt Minato would notice the Water Dome Moving swiftly enough to explore the idea of leaving a kunai behind to get washed away. So, I shall assume it's full knowledge.

An added note; to all who are using the Naruto blitzing of Kisame; Stop it. He was incredibly weakened at that point. His movements were lessened, it's obvious at how much of a disadvantage he was. While I am not saying Kisame can react to everything. There's no need to assume that every simple thing that any speedy character does to him will catch him of guard and defeat him.

I have 0 interest in arguing this but;

You bolded near limitless chakra, i don't know why considering kyuubi has a **** ton of chakra to offer. without being drained by kisame, minato can go all day long.

You bolded the shadow clone bit and then said kisame is a sensor so he can distinguish. That is completely false, no one can distinguish shadow clones. Further more, this will result in 2 minato with 50% the strength of 1. No shark, 10% mizu bushin or kuchiyose is defeating any of them. Mizu bushins are too weak, water sharks bombs can be destroyed and minato also has frog summonings that can aid as a distraction. Not withstanding the fact that he can randomly toss some kunai so that they;d eventually be out of the dome.

You must be registered for see images

Bee just swam in V2 since it's his fastest form and he was moving as fast as kisamehade, tails won't be pushing him along at that speed. Ninja's can move underwater, it's not an impossible feat.
*Sorry, this is the quickest thing that came to mind*

You must be registered for see links

scan of a cloakless, Km0 Naruto speedblitzing a 2 tomoe sharingan undeerwater effectively enough shows that there's is no such thing as 'needed tails' to move under water. KM narutoMinato can still speed burst underwater and outspeed kisame seeing as bee was able to par with him. WD isn't stopping minato.


All this assuming kisame gets the time to do WD seeing as Bee and raikage blitz'd a kisame-zetsu clone; Naruto blitz'd kisame; and KCM minato is faster than them all.

 

[Zexion~]

I have 0 interest in arguing this but;

You bolded near limitless chakra, i don't know why considering kyuubi has a **** ton of chakra to offer. without being drained by kisame, minato can go all day long.

You bolded the shadow clone bit and then said kisame is a sensor so he can distinguish. That is completely false, no one can distinguish shadow clones. Further more, this will result in 2 minato with 50% the strength of 1. No shark, 10% mizu bushin or kuchiyose is defeating any of them. Mizu bushins are too weak, water sharks bombs can be destroyed and minato also has frog summonings that can aid as a distraction. Not withstanding the fact that he can randomly toss some kunai so that they;d eventually be out of the dome.

You must be registered for see images

Bee just swam in V2 since it's his fastest form and he was moving as fast as kisamehade, tails won't be pushing him along at that speed. Ninja's can move underwater, it's not an impossible feat.
*Sorry, this is the quickest thing that came to mind*

You must be registered for see links

scan of a cloakless, Km0 Naruto speedblitzing a 2 tomoe sharingan undeerwater effectively enough shows that there's is no such thing as 'needed tails' to move under water. KM narutoMinato can still speed burst underwater and outspeed kisame seeing as bee was able to par with him. WD isn't stopping minato.


All this assuming kisame gets the time to do WD seeing as Bee and raikage blitz'd a kisame-zetsu clone; Naruto blitz'd kisame; and KCM minato is faster than them all.

All those times Kisame had no Samehada, And again Bee has the Hachibi, Hachibi= octopus, Octupus=Swim fast ..

Not to mention all Kisame needs to do is get near Minato and his chakra is absorbed .. Yes the Kyuubi has near limitless chakra but not the cloaks? hence why they have time limits i believe

 

[AGoodBoy]

All those times Kisame had no Samehada, And again Bee has the Hachibi, Hachibi= octopus, Octupus=Swim fast ..

Not to mention all Kisame needs to do is get near Minato and his chakra is absorbed .. Yes the Kyuubi has near limitless chakra but not the cloaks? hence why they have time limits i believe

I'm talking about V2 bee inside Dome against kisamehade. Kisamehade couldn't catch him until he tricked him.

There's no time limit on KM. It depletes if you used too much chakra and you have to wait a while.

 

[Zexion~]

I'm talking about V2 bee inside Dome against kisamehade. Kisamehade couldn't catch him until he tricked him.

There's no time limit on KM. It depletes if you used too much chakra and you have to wait a while.

V2 still sprouts tail/tentacles that can help the swimming process ..

And well there you go .. so if he absorbs that chakra Minato would have to wait a while

 

[AGoodBoy]

V2 still sprouts tail/tentacles that can help the swimming process ..

And well there you go .. so if he absorbs that chakra Minato would have to wait a while

considering a tail-less, cloakless naruto was fast enough to blitz a 2 tomoe sharingan underwater, i don't see how much help tails could give. That same 2 tomoe sharingan helped sasuke see 1 gate weighted lee, haku ice mirror dance, etc. Tail-less, cloakless naruto is a slug compared to KCM.

And that's why the cloak won't be absorbed. If they're in WD he can't absorb the cloak without touching minato; a feat that isn't happening when minato's moving faster than he can catch him.

 

[Zexion~]

considering a tail-less, cloakless naruto was fast enough to blitz a 2 tomoe sharingan underwater, i don't see how much help tails could give. That same 2 tomoe sharingan helped sasuke see 1 gate weighted lee, haku ice mirror dance, etc. Tail-less, cloakless naruto is a slug compared to KCM.

And that's why the cloak won't be absorbed. If they're in WD he can't absorb the cloak without touching minato; a feat that isn't happening when minato's moving faster than he can catch him.

2 tomoe does not give that much great pre-cog hence why he was hyping it when he awakened his 3 tomoe

..

 

[Shura]

Kisame can solo this.

 

[Stark]

Kisame and Sasuke take this High Diff.

 

[Champ]

Kisame & Sasuke

 

[AGoodBoy]

2 tomoe does not give that much great pre-cog hence why he was hyping it when he awakened his 3 tomoe

..

the entire point is that, a guy who isn't a fish. doesn't have a tail. Doesn't have a cloak. Doesn't have gills. was able to blitz someone underwater effectively debunking any claim that it's only because of his tail bee could move in the water or w.e nonsense claim. people can move under water; KCM minato will outrun him like bee tried to do.

 

[Zexion~]

the entire point is that, a guy who isn't a fish. doesn't have a tail. Doesn't have a cloak. Doesn't have gills. was able to blitz someone underwater effectively debunking any claim that it's only because of his tail bee could move in the water or w.e nonsense claim. people can move under water; KCM minato will outrun him like bee tried to do.

Ya i forgot about that ..But what happens when he reaches him anyways.. placign seals on him is moot because Merged Kisame absorbs chakra to the touch so the seal would be absorbed instantly, Rasengan is tanked, and he really has nothing else, Meanwhile Kisame has GSB and 1000 sharks up his sleeve