[Discussion] Reasons Behind Homosexuality

[Cursed Prince]

Ahahah, came from the guy that is wanking Itachi 24/7. Get out of here.

Are you serious?

Just to say it, we can all be tiny attracted by the same *** even if we are straight.

Yes :| .

 

[Souji]

Oh yeah, that's true as well. Did you say this in your first post?....Oh yeah I think you did. you italicized "purely". My bad

Just as they can facilitate, social and cultural development can also suppress this trait. But no matter how much you suppress the feeling, you're still going to be heterosexual/homosexual because it's how you were physiologically wired (like those extremely homophobic guys in the WBC who, studies show, tend to be homosexual due to their social constraints as a child).

It really does boil down to a "nature vs. nurture" debate, although regarding such a complex topic as the cause of homosexuality, we need to examine both nature and nurture.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Oh yeah, there is that, but that barely helps figuring out what causes the homossexualism

So far, scientists have no idea. Naturalist Dawkins has a couple ideas pertaining to it though.

--"Helpful Uncle theory": Those who were homosexual tended to their brothers/sisters' young while they ventured off hunting and gathering, protecting against jealous tribe members who didn't participate in conceiving the child (seriously, tribe members would kill the babies if they didn't belong to them).

--"Sneaky ****er theory": I have to laugh at Dawkins' choice of words on this one. It just means that the traits for homosexuality survived simply because the early tribe members chose to keep it hidden from others (if you think homosexuals are persecuted today, just think how it affected them way back then!).

HOWEVER. Not knowing what directly causes it does not mean we get to automatically assume and verify that homosexuality is based on choice alone. We can't ignore the science behind this.

 

[Nature Sage]

It really does boil down to a "nature vs. nurture" debate, although regarding such a complex topic as the cause of homosexuality, we need to examine both nature and nurture.

I think going towards this point might cause confusion for others, and possibly an explosion within the base.

 

[Kenotthib]

As a baby, you aren't psychologically nor physically developed enough to act upon your carnal desires, either. We're talking sexual, not mutual.



The only thing we've concluded is how far-reaching this trait is (beyond 200,000 years into our lineage) and how it's present within several other traits to demand persistence within our species.

Question from an asexual: Do you think asexuality has biological factors as well?

 

[Pavoneo]

I personally believe that it's not a choice to be gay or not, but it's not something you're born with. Sexuality in my opinion, is something that is developed and shaped through time as you live your life before puberty. You're not aware of the concept of sexual attraction at that time so you don't really try and do things one way to lean towards a certain sexuality. Sexuality is something that's developed subliminally through life experiences. Of course there's no study to back myself up of course, it's just the guess I'm making as a gay guy myself :s.

 

[Cursed Prince]

homosexuals just perceive looks differently. Thats all it is. They think of other guys as sexy while i might think the man is handsome. Its all about what you prefer

 

[HadouKage]

I think homosexuality is a choice. Some ppl don't even discover that they are gay or will date a girl and then state that they're gay. If you were gay in the first place then how were you attracted to a female?

 

[blazekev90]

honestly it's both! In same instances people actually make the choice to engage in same-*** intercourse. However, these aren't the individuals embracing the gay communities and wanting marriage.

One cannot help who they are attracted to, but can make the choice of who they want to **** and/or make their spouse.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Question from an asexual: Do you think asexuality has biological factors as well?

Asexuality is honestly more fascinating than the others. I really couldn't say. To be Asexual is to not have a sexual drive for any ***, which is practically what Nature intended us to do--reproduce and keep the species alive!

//Warning: Pure speculation from someone who enjoys his brandy: //

Perhaps it had a use for our early tribal days. Not wanting to mate with your mate's mate granted you an ally. He considered you a pal and would happily share his resources with you were you to help get other males off his back and (going back to the Naturalist Dawkin's first theory) tend to the young so no one would kill it.

When you had a desire to mate, you were competition for everyone else, and they didn't like it one bit. So being Asexual meant you would survive without jealous tribe members, while having buddies helping you out with resources.

The real question is: how did this trait persist among the species? I have no idea.

 

[Wolfus]

So far, scientists have no idea. Naturalist Dawkins has a couple ideas pertaining to it though.

--"Helpful Uncle theory": Those who were homosexual tended to their brothers/sisters' young while they ventured off hunting and gathering, protecting against jealous tribe members who didn't participate in conceiving the child (seriously, tribe members would kill the babies if they didn't belong to them).

--"Sneaky ****er theory": I have to laugh at Dawkins' choice of words on this one. It just means that the traits for homosexuality survived simply because the early tribe members chose to keep it hidden from others (if you think homosexuals are persecuted today, just think how it affected them way back then!).

HOWEVER. Not knowing what directly causes it does not mean we get to automatically assume and verify that homosexuality is based on choice alone. We can't ignore the science behind this.

Understood, and agreed.
Well, I could make a simple theory myself, but I lack information about this, and biology isn't the area I like the most(math and physics FTW).
Actually, I think it might be both. Maybe there is a gene that add the "homossexual behavior" to your DNA, but the influences one receives when growing might overcome this gene, or even help it. I don't know, go figure.

 

[Nature Sage]

honestly it's both! In same instances people actually make the choice to engage in same-*** intercourse. However, these aren't the individuals embracing the gay communities and wanting marriage.

One cannot help who they are attracted to, but can make the choice of who they want to **** and/or make their spouse.

Let me ask you this, would you consider someone who looks at a heavy situation as something that will strengthen them to be a choice or something natural? Compared to the usual response of it being a burden? One's personal mindset is what originate certain thought patterns and preferences. Some people are groomed to be a certain way while others unintentionally make the choice, and some intentionally make that same choice. Referring to Kenotthib's Status : "Knowledge, Understanding, and
Truth are the only things that
matter. "

Without Knowledge or understanding about the topic, it's hard to realize what is the origin of this topic.

 

[Wolfus]

Asexuality is honestly more fascinating than the others. I really couldn't say. To be Asexual is to not have a sexual drive for any ***, which is practically what Nature intended us to do--reproduce and keep the species alive!

//Warning: Pure speculation from someone who enjoys his brandy: //

Perhaps it had a use for our early tribal days. Not wanting to mate with your mate's mate granted you an ally. He considered you a pal and would happily share his resources with you were you to help get other males off his back and (going back to the Naturalist Dawkin's first theory) tend to the young so no one would kill it.

When you had a desire to mate, you were competition for everyone else, and they didn't like it one bit. So being Asexual meant you would survive without jealous tribe members, while having buddies helping you out with resources.

The real question is: how did this trait persist among the species? I have no idea.

Pretty good, it was really smart using darwinism here.
But I should as you a question. Do you think that phycologic traits are opened to apply darwinism?

 

[blazekev90]

Let me ask you this, would you consider someone who looks at a heavy situation as something that will strengthen them to be a choice or something natural? Compared to the usual response of it being a burden? One's personal mindset is what originate certain thought patterns and preferences. Some people are groomed to be a certain way while others unintentionally make the choice, and some intentionally make that same choice. Referring to Kenotthib's Status : "Knowledge, Understanding, and
Truth are the only things that
matter. "

Without Knowledge or understanding about the topic, it's hard to realize what is the origin of this topic.

people have made either the choice or were born gay.

Just like people don't chose to be straight, people don't chose to be gay. However, you can certainly make that choice to have *** with someone of the same gender, this categorizing one as being gay/bisexual.

Are you gay?
Did you make the choice to be straight?
Does your penis get hard from both male and female? Can it from people of different ethnicity?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

But I should as you a question. Do you think that phycologic traits are opened to apply darwinism?

That's how the words "memetic" and "meme" started! It's almost ironic how a clever word that used to convey "language and ideas passed down through the generations" now means "a picture with cats on it".

Homosexuality is largely Biological, but it is ultimately applied through your brain and how it's wired.

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is what controls your *** drive. The methods in which this organ has similarities and differs in homosexuality is being researched right as I'm typing this. So that's the psychological part--your thoughts and feelings being projected by how your brain is wired.

 

[UchihaKyru]

I think it's chosen.

 

[Nature Sage]

people have made either the choice or were born gay.

Just like people don't chose to be straight, people don't chose to be gay. However, you can certainly make that choice to have *** with someone of the same gender, this categorizing one as being gay/bisexual.

Are you gay?
Did you make the choice to be straight?
Does your penis get hard from both male and female? Can it from people of different ethnicity?

I think you misunderstood my question, I agree with the fact that it is a choice. lol

 

[blazekev90]

I think you misunderstood my question, I agree with the fact that it is a choice. lol

i know you do, but I only think it's a choice some instances. In most, it is biological.

 

[Wolfus]

That's how the words "memetic" and "meme" started! It's almost ironic how a clever word that used to convey "language and ideas passed down through the generations" now means "a picture with cats on it".

Homosexuality is largely Biological, but it is ultimately applied through your brain and how it's wired.

You must be registered for see links

is what controls your *** drive. The methods in which this organ has similarities and differs in homosexuality is being researched right as I'm typing this. So that's the psychological part--your thoughts and feelings being projected by how your brain is wired.

I see. So, in my opinion, I respect homossexuality, but I don't agree with it, and I think it's not normal, it's commom, but not normal,because for me, it goes against the reproductive nature of the species. I'm aware that it happens on other species as well, but my sentence stays. Pay attention, I'm not saying it's wrong or right, just not normal. What do you think about it?

 

[Beehindmask]

i don't understand, why thread like this exist, even in this forums, Naruto Forums