[Suggestion] Ban religion threads again

[Vincent Pryce]

Then just don't click on the thread derp
It really is a tireless effort.

 

[Frankenstein]

Then just don't click on the thread derp
It really is a tireless effort.

Read the previous posts derp.
It isn't really that difficult.

 

[Vilvake]

Then scroll down a bit more before using italics.

Oh, sorry. A mod removed a religious thread I made a few weeks ago. He said the topic was banned and directed me to the link I posted.

 

[Deviation]

History would show that religion is a touchy subject for anyone. I mean look at real life. Do they look like they want to civilly discuss religion? Nope. All they want is to be the dominant religion and kill anyone who opposes them. The best course of action would be to ban the entire topic altogether. If they want to discuss about it then they can make their own group (NB Style) like in real life instead of forcing others who simply do not want to hear their opinions.

I know it sounds harsh but experience will show you that NB is sadly not the type of community that can discuss issues and topics such as these civilly. Caliburn has alluded to such although that concerned the RP but I would think it applies to this case.

 

[KingHashirama]

Religion is a good topic to discuss and there are many who like discussing it.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Scooby Doo agrees.

 

[Hunty]

Let's not forget the Homosexual threads. All of it is offensive.

 

[Lawliet]

If the ratio is 9 threads that lead into flame wars in every 10 religion threads (which isn't but let's say i believe you that such threads exist although all I see is provocative threads that lead to flame wars) then it's simply not worth it to have a mod close and delete the 9 and let the 1 open. It simply isn't functional and practically not possible.



Well I personally don't give a damn about them, I just noticed they pile up every day that's why I made the suggestion.
But I honestly don't like this attitude you are proposing. This way, let the trolls rule in the other sections too. After all, if you don't like their threads, don't look at them. Allow character bashing again too. If you don't like your character being bashed, don't look at them.

And i don't like the suggestion you are proposing either. Your approach is one that, 'i don't like it, let's ban it right away without considering our other options.'

Are you saying that the staff isn't doing a good job at keeping the forum clean? There are problematic threads you haven't even laid eyes on because we've dealt with them so quickly.

There's a difference there though. Character bashing doesn't provide anything constructive. Atleast with religious threads there is some decent discussions going on. It is called 'General Discussion' after all. And whether you like it or not, religion is a topic of everyday life. And in my earlier post when i said if you don't like the discussion, keep out of it. This did not mean if you see some rule-breaking take place in the thread- ignore it. They are two completely different situations. It is expected that if members see some genuine rule-breaking that they use the reporting function so the staff may deal with the problems.

Btw guys, Religious threads are banned. People just don't follow the rules.

You must be registered for see links

Scroll down to "Banned Topics."

That mod was mistakened, they are currently allowed.

 

[Frankenstein]

And i don't like the suggestion you are proposing either. Your approach is one that, 'i don't like it, let's ban it right away without considering our other options.'

Are you saying that the staff isn't doing a good job at keeping the forum clean? There are problematic threads you haven't even laid eyes on because we've dealt with them so quickly.

There's a difference there though. Character bashing doesn't provide anything constructive. Atleast with religious threads there is some decent discussions going on. It is called 'General Discussion' after all. And whether you like it or not, religion is a topic of everyday life. And in my earlier post when i said if you don't like the discussion, keep out of it. This did not mean if you see some rule-breaking take place in the thread- ignore it. They are two completely different situations. It is expected that if members see some genuine rule-breaking that they use the reporting function so the staff may deal with the problems.

Oh you saw something constructive come out of these threads? Then anything I say is in vain.
Because the only thing I see is members posting provocative threads usually bashing other religions/ systems of belief , then a flame war and then the thread is closed/deleted. I have seen this happening like 10 times at least over the last few days only and that's why I made this suggestion. The only threads that remain open are the ones that were fortunately ignored. So why keep something which continues to exist only when it's ignored?

You are mistaken. I never said "I don't like it, let's ban it". I said "it doesn't work, accept it and ban it". Because it might be the GD section but whether you like it or not the members apparently aren't capable of holding a civilized discussion about religion. Notice how except for 3-4 members who gave valid reasons the rest of the ones that are against this suggestion are obvious trolls.

I have never stated this is the fault of the mods btw because I honestly don't have such expectations from them.

Also, keep in mind that I didn't make this thread to argue with you or any other mod. I made a suggestion.

Let's not forget the Homosexual threads. All of it is offensive.

Those are already banned.

 

[ZK]

The solution is quite simple. If you don't like the thread, leave it alone and don't look at it or take part.

This. This is the answer.

Stop spamming this thread. You aren't proposing anything except a "Deal with it" attitude. This isn't a case of whether one is annoyed by these threads or not, it's a case of whether they lead to flame wars or not.

Also read the rules before you decide to reply. Threads that insult people's sexual orientation are already banned and you are comparing things that have nothing in common. Sexual orientation isn't a belief or a philosophy or whatever, it's just that ; sexual orientation.

I haven't seen you around in the General Discussion section. I find it hilarious that you'd suggest to ban a topic with so much debatable content as religion without being a part of the sub-forum.
That's pretentious at best and, well, generally just flat-out misguided at worst.
Yes, there are spammers and flamers in religion-threads, but you don't see me waltzing around, suggesting that we ban fanboy/fangirl threads because they provoke strong emotional responses from a few individuals.
Religion is a touchy subject, but that doesn't make it taboo. I think you're looking at the 'issue' as being the topic's fault and not the individual's fault, which is, I believe, the wrong angle.

EDIT: and this may just be a rant on my part, but I can't believe how American this suggestion is. "O noez, ma feels are hurt pls ban nd punish!!" Just leave the thread it you don't want to participate positively. You're actively promoting a total ban on a certain topic, should I scream and holler about 'free speech' or 'free press'?

 

[Funky Tiger]

i gotta agree to this

i mean, i'm a member of a lot of forums, and any topic regarding religion started in every single forum goes down the gutters much quickly than i expect

 

[ZK]

i gotta agree to this

i mean, i'm a member of a lot of forums, and any topic regarding religion started in every single forum goes down the gutters much quickly than i expect

Then keep it aflot. Ignore and report the spammers/flamers and contribute with good content.
It's really, really simple. Don't participate if you don't want to; but don't ruin it for the rest of us.

 

[Frankenstein]

I haven't seen you around in the General Discussion section. I find it hilarious that you'd suggest to ban a topic with so much debatable content as religion without being a part of the sub-forum.
That's pretentious at best and, well, generally just flat-out misguided at worst.
Yes, there are spammers and flamers in religion-threads, but you don't see me waltzing around, suggesting that we ban fanboy/fangirl threads because they provoke strong emotional responses from a few individuals.
Religion is a touchy subject, but that doesn't make it taboo. I think you're looking at the 'issue' as being the topic's fault and not the individual's fault, which is, I believe, the wrong angle.

EDIT: and this may just be a rant on my part, but I can't believe how American this suggestion is. "O noez, ma feels are hurt pls ban nd punish!!" Just leave the thread it you don't want to participate positively. You're actively promoting a total ban on a certain topic, should I scream and holler about 'free speech' or 'free press'?

@red : I should be the one saying this. Also don't characterize me.
Show me one thread where a logical and constructive discussion was conducted. A single one.

@Edit : I am not american and the suggestion is not american at all. You are just attacking me now because you can't support your opinion.
As for the freedom part : You should know that your freedom stops where the other person's freedom starts. So while religion threads are not bad at all, religion threads that bash other people's religions are. Unfortunately there hasn't been a single one of the first while plenty of the latter.

Nice and simple. Now go rant somewhere else.

 

[Donald J Trump]

What a drag, this is still going on.Guys just chill ok?Leave the god damn religious threads as it is.Why leave it? 3 points:
1.This is a unfair vote since not all of the members all looking at this and voting.
2.If you decide to make the rule, a lot of people will be unhappy.It will just create more drama,more spamming threads and new threads saying get the religion thing back so just leave it yeah?
3.Ill call Itachi the solo king if you don't stop(lol JK)

 

[ZK]

@red : I should be the one saying this. Also don't characterize me.
Show me one thread where a logical and constructive discussion was conducted. A single one.

@Edit : I am not american and the suggestion is not american at all. You are just attacking me now because you can't support your opinion.
As for the freedom part : You should know that your freedom stops where the other person's freedom starts. So while religion threads are not bad at all, religion threads that bash other people's religions are. Unfortunately there hasn't been a single one of the first while plenty of the latter.

Nice and simple. Now go rant somewhere else.

But don't you see that an attutide like that is what kills Religion threads?
The second I mention you; I'm offending you, or attacking you, or my post isn't valid and I should go 'rant' somewhere else. You get offended, so you clam up and get defensive. You don't look at what I'm writing.
Take it with a grain of salt. If you're easily bootybothered; don't participate.

And you're right; I can't show you a 'religion thread' where there were absolutely no 'flames'. Religion is a touchy subject and people get emotional, but that's what makes debating it very, very awesome if you bring both heart and head with you to the discussion-table.

But I've participated in lots of good religion-threads. If you've never seen any of them; you haven't looked for them, or you haven't tried to make the average religion-thread good.

I think you're relying too much on the "but it's just bashing" argument. I can critizise your religion without 'bashing' it, just like you can critizise the Westboro Baptist Church without 'bashing' it. The difference is in how you structure your reply and whether or not you present some arguments.

 

[Frankenstein]

What a drag, this is still going on.Guys just chill ok?Leave the god damn religious threads as it is.Why leave it? 3 points:
1.This is a unfair vote since not all of the members all looking at this and voting.
2.If you decide to make the rule, a lot of people will be unhappy.It will just create more drama,more spamming threads and new threads saying get the religion thing back so just leave it yeah?
3.Ill call Itachi the solo king if you don't stop(lol JK)

1. The poll is just for show.
2. Yeah so let's not have rules because people don't like them.
3. Itachi solos I won't deny that

But don't you see that an attutide like that is what kills Religion threads?
The second I mention you; I'm offending you, or attacking you, or my post isn't valid and I should go 'rant' somewhere else. You get offended, so you clam up and get defensive. You don't look at what I'm writing.
Take it with a grain of salt. If you're easily bootybothered; don't participate.

And you're right; I can't show you a 'religion thread' where there were absolutely no 'flames'. Religion is a touchy subject and people get emotional, but that's what makes debating it very, very awesome if you bring both heart and head with you to the discussion-table.

But I've participated in lots of good religion-threads. If you've never seen any of them; you haven't looked for them, or you haven't tried to make the average religion-thread good.

I think you're relying too much on the "but it's just bashing" argument. I can critizise your religion without 'bashing' it, just like you can critizise the Westboro Baptist Church without 'bashing' it. The difference is in how you structure your reply and whether or not you present some arguments.

I am sorry but if you don't like me telling you that you are attacking me stop characterizing me and using phrases like "Oh noesz my feelz".Cheap tactics are cheap.

Insulting is fun too, I personally love it, let's have an insulting section too then.

As you said yourself you do participate because you like the flames. I find that boring. Hence I don't participate in those threads you are talking about.

No no I can criticize anything in a civilized manner. I just say I don't see that in those threads.

To end this, I have nothing against you, and I think you don't either. If people could hold a civilized, non provocative discussion about religion I wouldn't bother. I honestly have other things to do. I noticed many flame wars, many provocative titles, many insults inside the threads, hence I made the suggestion. That's all.

 

[ZK]

1. The poll is just for show.
2. Yeah so let's not have rules because people don't like them.
3. Itachi solos I won't deny that



I am sorry but if you don't like me telling you that you are attacking me stop characterizing me and using phrases like "Oh noesz my feelz".Cheap tactics are cheap.

Insulting is fun too, I personally love it, let's have an insulting section too then.

As you said yourself you do participate because you like the flames. I find that boring. Hence I don't participate in those threads you are talking about.

No no I can criticize anything in a civilized manner. I just say I don't see that in those threads.

To end this, I have nothing against you, and I think you don't either. If people could hold a civilized, non provocative discussion about religion I wouldn't bother. I honestly have other things to do. I noticed many flame wars, many provocative titles, many insults inside the threads, hence I made the suggestion. That's all.

You can tell me that I'm 'attacking you' all you want to.
And that's what it's all about, isn't it? Your feelings get hurt, so you complain. 'Ban religion-threads! people get emotional scars!' But if getting bootybothered is your argumentation for banning religion-threads; why're versus threads and Sakura-threads still allowed? You can't have the cake and eat it too.

If insulting is what floats your boat; you shouldn't be on NB.

And I don't participate because I 'like the flames'. I'm not a masochist, I'm simply mature enough to ignore obvious trolls and stick to replying to those who contribute to the thread.

And in response to that I say; look closer.

 

[Frankenstein]

You can tell me that I'm 'attacking you' all you want to.
And that's what it's all about, isn't it? Your feelings get hurt, so you complain. 'Ban religion-threads! people get emotional scars!' But if getting bootybothered is your argumentation for banning religion-threads; why're versus threads and Sakura-threads still allowed? You can't have the cake and eat it too.

If insulting is what floats your boat; you shouldn't be on NB.

And I don't participate because I 'like the flames'. I'm not a masochist, I'm simply mature enough to ignore obvious trolls and stick to replying to those who contribute to the thread.

And in response to that I say; look closer.

For the umpteenth time, I have no feelings about religion threads! Deal with it people, I don't care. I only made a suggestion because they obviously don't work.

Let the mods decide if I should be here or not.

You are denying your previous statement right now, be careful. Masochist or sadist I never said either.

I am very confident about my eyes

I like how everyone ignores the fact that an admin agreed with me btw =D

 

[ZK]

For the umpteenth time, I have no feelings about religion threads! Deal with it people, I don't care. I only made a suggestion because they obviously don't work.

Let the mods decide if I should be here or not.

You are denying your previous statement right now, be careful. Masochist or sadist I never said either.

I am very confident about my eyes

I like how everyone ignores the fact that an admin agreed with me btw =D

If you don't care; why attempt to ruin the subject for enthusiastic debaters?

I'm denying my previous statement? Elaborate. I've never said I liked flames. I think you're looking for shadows.

And a Global Mod agreed with me? How's that relevant?

 

[Frankenstein]

If you don't care; why attempt to ruin the subject for enthusiastic debaters?

I'm denying my previous statement? Elaborate. I've never said I liked flames. I think you're looking for shadows.

And a Global Mod agreed with me? How's that relevant?

I care about the section's functionality, that's all.

No I won't elaborate because we are off topic.

I wasn't referring to you with that (btw you agreed with said gmod not the other way round, I hope she doesn't agree with your statements lol). I was saying that all those posts stating I made this suggestion because my feelings are hurt or whatever are invalid since many members and even an admin agreed that the problem exists.