Faith In God.

[SoulKiller]

Yeah that's just half-correct for the student and half-correct for the teacher. Two such halves don't make on correct story, but a half-correct one.

So all the simple minded happy members of NB will tell you "nice thread" whereas it's actually a semi-correct, hence bad thread, since it concerns the subtle issue of religion.

Actually the student handled the situation perfectly and proved the teacher wrong.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I'm a Southern Baptist Christian. IN NO WAY am I going to participate in a religious debate, but there's a few things I would like to share with an open mind.

1) Scientifically, the human soul is energy--wich cannot be created or destroyed. Despite the first impression alot of people have when a person says they're a Christian, I DO have faith, beleif and trust in science. GOD'S interpretation of science, not 100% of man's; the truith behind the universe and it's facts, not theories and hypothosees. The universe is a tramendous place with unfathomable power and knowlege; but it's God's creation--an example of what he's made, capable of, done and plans to do. There is no fantasy in my beleif--but the truith in God's universe. THAT INCLUDES DEATH

2) One time, I involved myself in a religious discussion with a polite, fair, open-minded atheist. Close to the end of our little discussion he asked me"in all honesty, and for argument's sake (wich he never did), what do you think if you died and nothing happens? No God, no afterlife, just... *pftht* that's it?"
I replied: "You know what? I'm just fine with that. My life may be at an end with no more decisions or experiences, but I would be at peace. No more doubt, no more sinful temptations, no more stress or pain, no more letting others down or not being enough. The jooys in my life would come to an end, yes, but I would happily give my place in the world to someone else and "pass on the torch," so to speak. (in a smartass-ish tone) Besides, what in hell could I do about it? I'd be dead."
He smiled as the school bell rang for ROTC to begin and we parted ways after graduation.

And you know what? I ment every word.

Why do you spam this in multiple threads?

 

[straightup]

Ok first off. Really enjoyed the read. But it seems to me that the students theory is more flawed than the professors. The professor was trying to explain the god has never been measured in any fashion, which he is right. But the students rebuddel was cold warm which can be measured by feel, and light dark which can be measured by sight. The things the student used for examples were things that regardless of any circumstance could be measured in some form or another whereas god relys solely on faith.

 

[kenzi]

You must be registered for see links

I see this all over Facebook, and I always post this link onto it. It seems that they changed it a bit since I've last seen it. It use to say the student was Albert Einstein which is funny since I'm pretty sure Einstein was agnostic.

 

[Wparker6804]

i do hope this discussion doesn't go sour, i'd love to see everyone talk about such a big subject calmly.

I personally have no faith in any religion. Personal preference we can call it. But i do respect other people's right to pray as they please. I do wonder if the story is true, or if someone wrote it up though. I can see one of my friends saying all of this though. Xd

THANK GOD!!! A MAN WITH AN OPEN MIND!!!

Good greif, we don't see enough people like you around, pall.....

 

[Frankenstein]

Actually the student handled the situation perfectly and proved the teacher wrong.

No. This shows just that your knowledge of both religion and science is superficial as was the ones that wrote this text you copy/pasted.

 

[Smd]

I need to wash my mouth with soap.

 

[SoulKiller]

No. This shows just that your knowledge of both religion and science is superficial as was the ones that wrote this text you copy/pasted.

Actually your Wrong I know more about science than you do and My knowledge in religion is better than you I can say its just your simple minded and can't accept anything because you just don't want to I see nothing wrong with what the student wrong and because I agree with somthing makes me no nothing about science etc wow just wow.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Actually your Wrong I know more about science than you do and My religion is better than you I can say its just your simple minded and can't accept anything because you just don't want to I see nothing wrong with what the student wrong and because I agree with somthing makes me no nothing about science etc wow just wow.

You stated in your own first post that you were not going to start this off with the intention to flame, yet here you are posting this with piss and vinegar. There was a better way to respond to that, you know.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Nice work 'n' all, though I'm afraid FreakensteinAG refuted the shit out of this thread.​

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Thank you very much, I'm glad that didn't get posted in vain

 

[sulanis]

Although it was a good read

A public forum may not be the best place to put a discussion about religion or the link between man and god.

 

[sulanis]

Although it was a good read

A public forum may not be the best place to put a discussion about religion or the link between man and god.

 

[Aertes]

Hmm interesting...Both parties have a valid point,but in both cases the review of the matter is one sided.They both try to disproof the existence of something to prove the existence of another thing.
But in life things,even if they are contrary,can co exist without one thing canceling the existence of another.
People can have faith in god.Why not in science too??
People can have faith in whatever they choose.After all, faith is nothing more than a choice.

 

[SoulKiller]

You stated in your own first post that you were not going to start this off with the intention to flame, yet here you are posting this with piss and vinegar. There was a better way to respond to that, you know.

Wait a second soo you think that what I posted was a flame it seems you can see thought people mind and read then I just replied to him and I wasn't pissed idk how you judge people but whatever you want I guess have fun.

 

[vergatul]

You stated in your own first post that you were not going to start this off with the intention to flame, yet here you are posting this with piss and vinegar. There was a better way to respond to that, you know.

Indeed, he could have responded more calmy. He may be a little too young for this. In my opinion he could be trolling or he may wish to be acused of ruining the peace from this discussion. I wish we can go on in a more suitable manner.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

People need to stop bashing other people's beliefs and ideals.

Whether it be something like me believing Pokemon is the best anime ever, or that another believes in evolution. ^^

Black part

A theory that uses the scientific method to explain itself is not a belief system but a measurement system.

Creationism doesn't use the scientific method to explain itself which is why it is a belief system not a measurement one.

 

[AnimusOra]

Problem with the professor is that he did use philosophy. Philosophy just expandes the mind to many possibilites but it doesnt mean that they are correct. For example when i was still in school a professor once asked us if a snail and a rabbit had a race and the snail got an hour start would the rabbit ever catch up to the snail? The answer is no. The snail traveled a certain distance and so did the rabit but the rabit can never catch up to the snail because its distance will always increase(the snail). Of course physically it does but philosically it doesnt. Honestly If you beleive in something thats what it is. The problem really being whose perception of beleiving is whose version is correct?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Wait a second soo you think that what I posted was a flame it seems you can see thought people mind and read then I just replied to him and I wasn't pissed idk how you judge people but whatever you want I guess have fun.

How was that not a flame? "I know more science than you, my religion is better than yours, it's because you're simple minded, 'wow, just wow'".

I want to speak more about the OP, but there...just isn't more to talk about. It's a fallacy based upon ignorance of both religion and science. It's despicable to both sides to see such easily-fallible logic.

 

[Desanto]

Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
...
Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From . . . GOD . . .

Professor: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.


I did not post this for flame etc so plz keep it clean and discuss.

This is awesome man !

 

[Wparker6804]

Why do you spam this in multiple threads?

It came from a relegious(ish) thread, so I thought I'd share. Besides, I'm lazy and like to coppy/paste