Sasuke's genjutsu won't work on Naruto since he has Kurama to get him out of that. Same thing as when Sasuke tried to place Bee under a genjustsu, and I think both of them are about even when it comes to battle experience, and whilst Naruto's wind nature is weaker against Sasuke's fire style. Its stronger than Sasuke's lightning style, I'm not sure about Amaterasu though, but probably Naruto's speed can counter that now. But in short Naruto can definitely take on Sasuke on his own, and as for J-man I think he's dead and won't be coming back. Surely we would have seen him by now if he was alive.
[Theory] Jiraya may be alive.
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Sasuke has now Itachi's eyes, so I doubt a simple chakra interference caused by Kurama should work agains that.
Agreed with the second part. But I still don't think Naruto is as smart as Sasuke in the battlefield.
The Raikage thought that his speed would be enough to counter Sasuke's amaterasu and he lost his arm. As for Jiraya hiatus, we could just say that he was highly injured by Pain and couldn't move for a long time.
Nah Jiraiya is dead. It just doesn't make sense if he was alive, because if he was, then he would have gone back to the village to tell everyone about the secrets of Pain.
It would be nice if Jiraiya came back from the dead (reanimated). Can't believe Kabuto didn't reanimate the pervy sage who was one of the three legenedary sannin. C'mon Orichimaru, go reanimate your former comrade!
It would be nice if Jiraiya came back from the dead (reanimated). Can't believe Kabuto didn't reanimate the pervy sage who was one of the three legenedary sannin. C'mon Orichimaru, go reanimate your former comrade!
Regardless my love for Jiraya, I must decline your theory. He is dead. He had to die in order for the story to progress, and more importantly for Naruto to grow.
Your arguments are just assumptions. Also, Naruto doesn't need help to fight Sasuke, wtf are you saying? Also he has a new guide. Kurama.
The pointisn't, whether he drowned or not. Jiraya died took a fatal wound before dropping in the ocean. He was already dead. No way in hell he could live, even if he escaped.
And last but not least. Why would he hide all this time? If you don't explain that (which is the most important factor), there is no point in making a theory.
Your arguments are just assumptions. Also, Naruto doesn't need help to fight Sasuke, wtf are you saying? Also he has a new guide. Kurama.
The pointisn't, whether he drowned or not. Jiraya died took a fatal wound before dropping in the ocean. He was already dead. No way in hell he could live, even if he escaped.
And last but not least. Why would he hide all this time? If you don't explain that (which is the most important factor), there is no point in making a theory.
Maybe he couldn't go back to village because he was too injured.
EDIT: But... I could go deeper on that. Firstly we all must assume that if he escaped AND survived, he couldn't go back to the leaf's village because he was too injured. Surely that eventually he must come back, but he didn't. Why? There may be a reason, but it's just another assumption of mine:
There are good reasons for me to believe that Jiraya found it more important to discover the secrets behind Rinnegan and the SO6P than go training Naruto, because it just fits. Jiraya believed the SO6P were a wise and pacific person, so why the Rinnegan ended up with a mad upset childish man like Nagato? More: if there were 7 persons using Rinnegan, there obviously could be more. Pa could just train Naruto while Jiraya keeps solving his puzzles.
I didn't include that in the first post because it isn't convincing at all.
EDIT: But... I could go deeper on that. Firstly we all must assume that if he escaped AND survived, he couldn't go back to the leaf's village because he was too injured. Surely that eventually he must come back, but he didn't. Why? There may be a reason, but it's just another assumption of mine:
There are good reasons for me to believe that Jiraya found it more important to discover the secrets behind Rinnegan and the SO6P than go training Naruto, because it just fits. Jiraya believed the SO6P were a wise and pacific person, so why the Rinnegan ended up with a mad upset childish man like Nagato? More: if there were 7 persons using Rinnegan, there obviously could be more. Pa could just train Naruto while Jiraya keeps solving his puzzles.
I didn't include that in the first post because it isn't convincing at all.
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So you are suggesting he is inside some frog in the ocean still? Secondly, how would he escape Amagakure? The moment he drops into the rain, Pain will know. Even if it's just his frog. Lastly that frog you refer to, is it even alive? It looks more like a pot to me. Why else would it have a prop in its mouth? It's surely not a living frog, lol
why the insta bash man?what did this dude do to you, tell him what you think in a way that isnt like a douche
Almighty Ra
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As a fan Jiraya there would be nothing better if he was still alive but it isn't so..he's at the bottom of the ocean and it was impossible for anyone to recover his body at those depths.
NArutouzzi
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didn't read yet but i had to put this, If he was alive he would have showed up a long time ago actually he probably would have went right to the leaf to recover"after pain fuc*ed up the village", he knows naruto looked at him like family and he wouldn't want him to think his master is dead to just show up randomly and get naruto really emotional witch he does not need atm
Gyakusetsu
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Cut and paste from a thread I did awhile ago and welcome to the base.
Let me start by saying that I hope that Jiraiya doesn't return. I feel that his death was epic, it elevated the story in so many ways and I feel it would be diminished if he somehow returned. That said, I do want to make folks aware of this tidbit that may potentially point to a Jiraiya return.
From Jiraiya Goketsu Monogatari:
The story begins with Tsukikage Gunryô Miyukinosuke, who had been appointed Regent of the Shogunate traveling to take up his office in Kamakura. On the way there, he was attacked by a Giant Snake and was rescued by a young swordsman Orochimaru (the Giant Snakes son), Tsukikage was so grateful that he took Orochimaru into his own family, however Orochimaru was possesed by the Giant Snake, which had been scheming to swallow the world and wipe out human beings. Through the curse created by the Giant Snake, and Orochimaru acting as the embodiment of the curse, the Tsukikage was possessed and killled off all of his retainers and heirs. Thus making Orochimaru his sole heir. Further, Tsukikage's ambition grew so that he wanted control of the whole country. He first convinced the Shogunate that the Ogata and the Matsuura families, were plotting to overthrow the government. The Tsukikage then deceives the Ogata and Matsuura families to obtain two treasures the Seal of the Moon and Flag of the Shogun. He then kills the families and throws their two heirs off a cliff, Jiraiya and Tsunade.
Fortunately, Jiraiya and Tsunade were rescued by an old hermit, Senso Dôjin. Senso Dôjin raises the two heirs and later informs them of their families betrayals. Jiraiya and Tsunade want revenge for what has happened so Senso Dôjin trains them in the arts of Toad and Snake magic. Senso Dôjin tells Jiraiya and Tsunade of the triangular balance (Snake, Toad, Snail) and also a way to overcome the balance by obtaining the wave cutting sword Namikirimaru. He then prophetically tells Jiraiya that should he become wounded by Orochimaru that he must drink the blood of a woman born in the Year of the Snake, the month of the snake and the hour of the snake.
Jiraiya confronts Orochimaru and is wounded. He is saved by Tsunade to takes him to heal in a therapeutic bath but he never recovers until he happens upon a young woman working for her father who is an inn keeper. It turns out that she is in fact Jiraiya's sister and she was born in the Year of the snake the month of the snake and the hour of the snake. Her name was Ayame.
Now the Ayame we know, Teuchi's daughter, was not born in June. Ayame was born in Feb, but perhaps that date isn't accurate, if she isn't really Teuchi's daughter. Another thing to consider is that this is the Year of the snake 2013, the month of the Snake is June, and the hour of the snake is 9-11. Perhaps Kishi is planning for a June surprise. Who knows?
Some other interesting facts I came across while researching, Jiraiya Goketsu Monogatari was written over the years by several different authors, but the Kabuki drama was written by Kawatake Mokuami who is credited with being one of the greatest, if not the greatest Kabuki playwright. You may recall Jiraiya's Kabuki dance as he introduces himself. Kawatake is also one of the most prolific having some 360 plays (130 domestic, 90 historical and 140 dance dramas). His plays were very popular due to the use of anti-hero types (thieves, rogues, etc) and for their explicit love scenes. Kawatake was also disowned by his family due to his frequent frollicks with Geishas. Pervy Sage would be proud.
Let me start by saying that I hope that Jiraiya doesn't return. I feel that his death was epic, it elevated the story in so many ways and I feel it would be diminished if he somehow returned. That said, I do want to make folks aware of this tidbit that may potentially point to a Jiraiya return.
From Jiraiya Goketsu Monogatari:
The story begins with Tsukikage Gunryô Miyukinosuke, who had been appointed Regent of the Shogunate traveling to take up his office in Kamakura. On the way there, he was attacked by a Giant Snake and was rescued by a young swordsman Orochimaru (the Giant Snakes son), Tsukikage was so grateful that he took Orochimaru into his own family, however Orochimaru was possesed by the Giant Snake, which had been scheming to swallow the world and wipe out human beings. Through the curse created by the Giant Snake, and Orochimaru acting as the embodiment of the curse, the Tsukikage was possessed and killled off all of his retainers and heirs. Thus making Orochimaru his sole heir. Further, Tsukikage's ambition grew so that he wanted control of the whole country. He first convinced the Shogunate that the Ogata and the Matsuura families, were plotting to overthrow the government. The Tsukikage then deceives the Ogata and Matsuura families to obtain two treasures the Seal of the Moon and Flag of the Shogun. He then kills the families and throws their two heirs off a cliff, Jiraiya and Tsunade.
Fortunately, Jiraiya and Tsunade were rescued by an old hermit, Senso Dôjin. Senso Dôjin raises the two heirs and later informs them of their families betrayals. Jiraiya and Tsunade want revenge for what has happened so Senso Dôjin trains them in the arts of Toad and Snake magic. Senso Dôjin tells Jiraiya and Tsunade of the triangular balance (Snake, Toad, Snail) and also a way to overcome the balance by obtaining the wave cutting sword Namikirimaru. He then prophetically tells Jiraiya that should he become wounded by Orochimaru that he must drink the blood of a woman born in the Year of the Snake, the month of the snake and the hour of the snake.
Jiraiya confronts Orochimaru and is wounded. He is saved by Tsunade to takes him to heal in a therapeutic bath but he never recovers until he happens upon a young woman working for her father who is an inn keeper. It turns out that she is in fact Jiraiya's sister and she was born in the Year of the snake the month of the snake and the hour of the snake. Her name was Ayame.
Now the Ayame we know, Teuchi's daughter, was not born in June. Ayame was born in Feb, but perhaps that date isn't accurate, if she isn't really Teuchi's daughter. Another thing to consider is that this is the Year of the snake 2013, the month of the Snake is June, and the hour of the snake is 9-11. Perhaps Kishi is planning for a June surprise. Who knows?
Some other interesting facts I came across while researching, Jiraiya Goketsu Monogatari was written over the years by several different authors, but the Kabuki drama was written by Kawatake Mokuami who is credited with being one of the greatest, if not the greatest Kabuki playwright. You may recall Jiraiya's Kabuki dance as he introduces himself. Kawatake is also one of the most prolific having some 360 plays (130 domestic, 90 historical and 140 dance dramas). His plays were very popular due to the use of anti-hero types (thieves, rogues, etc) and for their explicit love scenes. Kawatake was also disowned by his family due to his frequent frollicks with Geishas. Pervy Sage would be proud.
And yet, all the possibilities are there to turn Jiraya's return plausible. The thing is: if Kishi wants, then Jiraya comes back, if not, then the manga will just continue to never return (with flashbacks) to this point again.
Gyakusetsu
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I certainly hope he doesn't. A flashback I would be ok with. I took his final words as Kishimoto's acknowledgment that Jiraiya is truly free. He has "escaped the well" or cycle if you will.
naruto has speed to deal with amatersu.
Naruto is host genjutsu doesn't work on him, that one is mentioned in writing in the manga.
And 3 sage mode on top of naruto's fox modes, may have surprising results against the black flames, frog fu has a an aura of natural energy around you. We saw naruto punch pain without contact. That's just one theory I had ages ago.
But im more intrested if ur trolling me or not.
Comon man lift up ur game if ur serious that is.
also naruto has fough more powerful and more intelligent enemies than sasuke has and is still standing.
Im sorry ur thoughts are wrong man.
Ero sennin jiraiya
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It's pretty much impossible at this point. Your reasoning that the frog that never left the battlefield could have saved him might hold more water if Naruto hadn't spent so much time at myobuki shortly after Jiraiya's death. If that frog had saved him, surely Myobuki would have been the place that he would take him. If that were true the information would have reached those in the leaf village and they would know that he survived. There isn't any reason why Jiraiya wouldn't have contacted his friends if he had survived.
I'd love for him to still be alive but he just isn't. He went out like a true hero though, he gave his life to save the leaf village, and the rest of the ninja world.
Naruto has plenty of experience fighting akatsuki members like Kakazu and Deidara. He fought against the 6POP, and also fought against Obito while he was controlling the former jinchuuriki. He is currently in battle against Madara and Obito. Can't really get better experience than that, I would consider experience a non issue at this point because both Naruto and Sasuke have fought against Kage level opponents.
I'd love for him to still be alive but he just isn't. He went out like a true hero though, he gave his life to save the leaf village, and the rest of the ninja world.
No. As someone already said, genjutsu wont work on a jinchuuriki host like Naruto and he's definitely fast enough to dodge amaterasu, considering his speed is on par or better than A's and A has dodged it. Also, Naruto's wind chakra is weak against fire but it is strong against Sasuke's lightning jutsu. It's unlikely Naruto would lose to Sasuke because of a fire jutsu.
Naruto has plenty of experience fighting akatsuki members like Kakazu and Deidara. He fought against the 6POP, and also fought against Obito while he was controlling the former jinchuuriki. He is currently in battle against Madara and Obito. Can't really get better experience than that, I would consider experience a non issue at this point because both Naruto and Sasuke have fought against Kage level opponents.
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Fukasaku said that Jiraiya (in his final moments) was living off will power alone, so he died shortly after being dropped into the water. Even if his body was saved by a frog, he would've still been dead.
In the case that he somehow magically lived through all that, it would be pointless because he would only have 1 hand (no jutsu) and he wouldn't be able to talk due to his throat being crushed.
In the case that he somehow magically lived through all that, it would be pointless because he would only have 1 hand (no jutsu) and he wouldn't be able to talk due to his throat being crushed.
Shibaku Uzumaki
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You're just assuming that the frog must return to myobuki. Even then, it's a theory and it has it's fails =P. And there is a reason why he wouldn't have contacted anybody: he had lost an arm and couldn't make jutsus. All he could do was go inside the frog and rest there.
As for the other things:
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If that's true, then my theory is completely broken and invalid.
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