Tobirama Is Right, Hashirama Is Naive

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Tobirama is RIGHT people. He's not a racist, and he's not prejudiced.

The Uchiha are more of a liability than a threat. They're unpredictable.

One wrong assumption and an Uchiha is going to go crazy and want to destroy the village. If I was in Tobirama's position, I would say the exact same thing.
 
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well duh.

Everyone should know Hashirama's attitude is somewhat like Hiruzen's, They don't like to use force to solve problems and they're to kind to do what needs to be done at times, even if it was for the best.

Best way to look at it is

Hashirama = hiruzen

tobirama = Danzo

in terms of personality
 

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Are you major in accounting?

OT: i agree with OP
 

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Tobirama is the casuse of:

-> The uchiha revolt
-> The uchiha massacre
-> Sasuke and itachi loosing their family (started their feud and resulted in death)
-> Itachi's name to be stained
-> Madara to leave the village (resulting in him meeting obito, so technically he's the cause of naruto's parents death)
-> Hiruzens death (creating the edo tensei)
-> Danzo to get his hands on those sharingan
-> Skillful ninja like shisui to die
-> the current shinobi war

Yet you praise him for his strict political measures and biased idea of the uchiha based on hear-say? Hashirama and Madara had compiled much better ideas for the village and shinobi world.
 
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That's true tobirama is right the uchiha are dangerous but there is always a sensible person like itachi!
 

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Tobirama is RIGHT people. He's not a racist, and he's not prejudiced.

The Uchiha are more of a liability than a threat. They're unpredictable.

One wrong assumption and an Uchiha is going to go crazy and want to destroy the village. If I was in Tobirama's position, I would say the exact same thing.

Yeh well I guess you're right, it's sad though. :)
 
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Tobirama was really the person filled with hatred. He cause a lot of strife between Hashi and Madarawho had just reconnected as friends.
 
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Tobirama is RIGHT people. He's not a racist, and he's not prejudiced.

The Uchiha are more of a liability than a threat. They're unpredictable.

One wrong assumption and an Uchiha is going to go crazy and want to destroy the village. If I was in Tobirama's position, I would say the exact same thing.

Tobirama's bigotry played a direct result in Madara's decision to abandon the village & walk a path of darkness & led to the revolt/ultimate extermination of the Uchiha as Madara predicted, these are blows far more crippling to the leaf than Hashirama's ideals, Hashirama had achieved his goal of peace & set the standard for the shinobi world, had Tobirama truly followed his will, the Leaf would still have the Uchiha as allies which would easily tip the balance in this war & may have even prevented it, imagine Itachi, Shisui, & Sasuke along with an entire clan of Uchihas still loyal to the leaf, who could truly oppose Konoha?shodaimeicon:
 
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Hashirama is naive but tobirama is a little too ignorant
 
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Tobirama is a fcking idiot... sorry for that but it's true
He is NOT right, why should the uchihas try to destroy the village when theres no reason for that? If tobirama wouldn't be a damn racist then the uchihas wouldn't plan on destroying the village, everyone and every clan would act like that
It's all tobiramas fault, he is like danzo and they both can rot in hell
 

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Most people will agree with tobirama but the ones with Hashi's personality and conviction are those who create true and permanent solution....
 

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Tobirama is the casuse of:

-> The uchiha revolt
-> The uchiha massacre
-> Sasuke and itachi loosing their family (started their fued and resulted in death)
-> Itachi's name to be stained
-> Madara to leave the village (resulting in him meeting obito, so technically he's the cause of naruto's parents death)
-> Hiruzens death (creating the edo tensei)
-> Danzo to get his hands on those sharingan
-> Skillful ninja like shisui to die
-> the current shinobi war

Yet you praise him for his strict political measures and biased idea of the uchiha based on hear-say? Hashirama and Madara had compiled much better ideas for the village and shinobi world.

You're putting all the blame in him ignoring the fact that both Shisui and Itachi tried to talk down their clan, but they never listen just like Madara and Sasuke. Hashirama has his blame too with the Uchihas, he should've solved all the internal matters right away while alive. You also are ignoring Danzo role and he wasn't Tobirama's student, it was Hiruzen, and their principles aren't the same either.
Damn libertarians and his pseudo-bigotfobia...
 

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Tobirama is the casuse of:

-> The uchiha revolt
Last time i checked, they revolted along time after his death

They simply didn't like how the village treated them and wanted to change that.

They seemed perfectly fine with the happening during tobirama's time as hokage.

-> The uchiha massacre

I could've swore it was Danzo/Itachi/obito that caused the massacre

-> Sasuke and itachi loosing their family (started their fued and resulted in death)

Nope it was the Uchiha leaders that caused this, as i said they didn't like the way the village was, so they planned to betray it instead of Sitting down with Hiruzen and his council.

-> Itachi's name to be stained

Nope, Danzo gave itachi two paths, A stained name or die along with that clan, Itachi chose the stained name.

-> Madara to leave the village (resulting in him meeting obito, so technically he's the cause of naruto's parents death)

If hashirama had listened to tobirama in the first place, Madara would never of Met obito/Be revived by edo tensei/Revive the juubi and so on.

-> Hiruzens death (creating the edo tensei)
I'll give you that one, He did f up by creating edo tensei.

-> Danzo to get his hands on those sharingan

If i remember it was danzo's own choice with a little help from Oro, Tobirama has nothing to do with it.

-> Skillful ninja like shisui to die
Nope.

Shisui sided with the village against the uchiha clans leaders, He died to protect the village he loved.

-> the current shinobi war

Nope, Tobirama wanted to kill madara, it was hashirama who refused to kill him.

Yet you praise him for his strict political measures and biased idea of the uchiha based on hear-say? Hashirama and Madara had compiled much better ideas for the village and shinobi world.

Tobirama predicted the uchiha will be a threat to the village in the near future, Then what happaned?, They planned to revolt and put the entire fire country in danger.

Tobirama's concerns were perfectly understandable
 

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If Tobirama and the Senju had killed all of the Uchiha everything would have been fine.
 

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Tobirama is the casuse of:

-> The uchiha revolt
-> The uchiha massacre
-> Sasuke and itachi loosing their family (started their feud and resulted in death)
-> Itachi's name to be stained
-> Madara to leave the village (resulting in him meeting obito, so technically he's the cause of naruto's parents death)
-> Hiruzens death (creating the edo tensei)
-> Danzo to get his hands on those sharingan
-> Skillful ninja like shisui to die
-> the current shinobi war

Yet you praise him for his strict political measures and biased idea of the uchiha based on hear-say? Hashirama and Madara had compiled much better ideas for the village and shinobi world.
Everything u said is actually a non-factor. He didn't stain itachi name, cause Danzo to take sharigans.... Wtf. Smh for the first time ur post is just a no

He met obito on his death bed. Meaning he met obito wen he was long supposed to be dead. Not wen he left
 

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You're putting all the blame in him ignoring the fact that both Shisui and Itachi tried to talk down their clan, but they never listen just like Madara and Sasuke. Hashirama has his blame too with the Uchihas, he should've solved all the internal matters right away while alive. You also are ignoring Danzo role and he wasn't Tobirama's student, it was Hiruzen, and their principles aren't the same either.
Damn libertarians and his pseudo-bigotfobia...

Your right but the main root of the problem was Tobirama's hate and incorrect analysis of the uchiha based on rumor.Izuna was killed by Tobirama and thus far, Madara has made no attempt to seek out revenge on tobirama, not even to mention ninja like Itachi who suffered much loss without seeking revenge.
 

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You are the biggest racist here
why don't you just shut up?

You're clearly ignorant.

Racial profiling is not racism. For instance, black people will have black skin, and probably short hair. Racial profiling.
 
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