Jiraya beating Itachi and Kisame at once?

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I doubt itachi knew the full extent to kisames power and maybe if itachi was pushed to use his eyes too much his disease would kill him off before he could finish his plan with sasuke
 

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Itachi lied
 

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And you're ignoring the fact that Jiraiya taught Naruto how to escape genjutsu..



Summon toads to fight Susanoo...SM takes care of the rest

What you forget is that itachi can amaterasu the toads so easily just like sasuke did to the 8tails killer bee
 

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i'll agree with either side if they can come up with a way how one side beats another

j man goes into sage mode with ma and pa that partnership helps j man from being hit by genjutsu he uses all his summons to keep kisame busy while he smashes itachi with sage mode after hes done with him he owns kisame
 

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as much as i like jiraiya, he cant take both kisame and jiraiya down at the same time, but a 1 on 1 wud be possible. jiraiya is in a league of his own
 

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They didn't engage in a battle full stop U_U
you're underestimating Itachi's genjutsu and hand sign speed.

Itachi is my favorite character but as you are saying about genjutsu and hand signs itachi here is dealing with Jiraya and not Kakashi or any other jounin level ninja ..........

Jiraya is on whole other level when he means business so genjutsu he can counter ......
 

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j man goes into sage mode with ma and pa that partnership helps j man from being hit by genjutsu he uses all his summons to keep kisame busy while he smashes itachi with sage mode after hes done with him he owns kisame

Thank you...Jiraiya is a BOSS! He'd take those youngsters back to the academy
 

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hard to say where jiraiya stands in term of power
 

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They basically imply that Jiraiya would be a fair match for the 2 of them. Considering how early in the series this is, its unknown how many of their overall jutsu's Kishi had worked out at that time. Having the sages with him, Jiraiya would be very resistant to Genjutsu as opposed to a normal shinobi not to mention his fighting strength. On the other hand, Kishi might not have thought of things like Kisame's fusion with his sword or Itachi's Susanoo (ie the exact power of Susanoo, because it was very likely he had already determined he would use that mythology for the name).

Bottom line is that without knowing exactly what kind of power scaling the 3 had at that time, we cannot determine how they would have stacked up against one another. However, considering everything, we can possibly say that Jiraiya could be a match for both of them at the same time given all his advantages, ie the 2 sages, SM and possible summonings, so I don't see a problem with it.
 
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this is what they actually said in the correct translationyour welcome
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j man goes into sage mode with ma and pa that partnership helps j man from being hit by genjutsu he uses all his summons to keep kisame busy while he smashes itachi with sage mode after hes done with him he owns kisame

But what's stopping Itachi from using amaterasu at the toad summons while they are fighting kisame and remember it took jiraya a longtime to summon them would itachi n kisame give him that much time?
 

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Are you thick? Naruto couldn't escape from a basic sharingan genjutsu.Bad teaching from your lord Jiraiya huh?

When and where? Im pretty sure he escaped the genjutsu when he fought the fake Itachi (although it was a % of his power but still)
 

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How is this even up for debate? Itachi obviously said that to protect naruto. Kisame & Itachi would've fodderized jiraiya
 
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