well maybe kishi just didnt think of this being a great addition to the story & he already has the timelines messed up in the story anyway remember, my way is the best way
well maybe kishi just didnt think of this being a great addition to the story & he already has the timelines messed up in the story anyway remember, my way is the best way
well, obito and kakashi being on the same team at the same age , yet kakashi graduated the exam & academy years before Obito
maybe kinda.....hehe something i heard..lol
actually something just came to my attention with your post......maybe shisui did cast it on Itachi.......then after his death
the jutsu reactivation time got cancelled(or reset) in the moment of his death........so Itachi could still use the eye for Kotoamatsukami........
kinda like when Orochimaru failed to take sasuke's body within 3years....his body died out......then his conscience went to Anko's mark...and he wasnt(or didnt appear to be in any pain anymore)so he could take Zetsu's body because his death cancelled out the 3year body change time limit in that instance/situation...Indeed it would have needed 2more years for KA to work for Itachi if Shisui used on him for the Massacre.....but his death started it over after he casts it on Itachi... Itachi was thinking(killing them would be the only option left)but Shisui casting KA made it more abundantly clear...then Danzo came and ordered the killing although it was already put in Itachi's mind via suggestion from KA
You are making quite a few claims if I understand you correctly.
Are you saying the curse marks are spare "bodies" he can transfer his conscious to in case the current "body" 's safety is at risk?
All we know about the curse mark is its relation to Juugo's clan and the Snake Sage mountain.
Also, I disagree with the your idea that Shisui KA'd Itachi. First, I don't believe Kishi would want both Shisui and Itachi to have the same personality. I say that because if Shisui did cast KA on Itachi then it would be Shisui's will committing the act and not Itachi.
As it turns out, we know Itachi's will is different from Shisui since Itachi says to Naruto "you have Shisui's will, you no longer need his eye". And we know Naruto's will is not the same as Itachi's. They may both want to protect the village, but Itachi does not feel the same about people in general. Itachi chose to follow Hiruzen/Danzo's plan and kill all Uchiha. Do you think Naruto would have agreed? Of course not. So in terms of will, they are not the same. So if their will is not the same, it is highly unlikely that Shisui forced his will via KA onto Itachi.
Also, we know it was Itachi's own free will to do what he did. Remember that manga page you posted of Itachi crying? That chapter showed it was Itachi's painful decision and that to repent he would watch over the Leaf from the shadows from inside a criminal organization. Danzo has confirmed it, and now Hiruzen has confirmed it.
Second, as mentioned before the time discrepancy is too short.
it wasnt about a plan to kill them for Itachi is was more about how to stop the REBELLION....that seemed to be the only way at the time. His father said he was gentle.....Itachi wasnt some bloodthirsty ninja , he was a peace lover...and he CRIED when he killed
his father
That's all conjecture. Crying doesn't make him gentle in my eyes. My ultimate point is Itachi already had the resolve to do what he did, he didn't need to be KA'd.
At any rate, nothing you said changes the fact that the plan to stop the rebilion by killing the Uchia was thought of AFTER Shisui died. There is no way he could have KA'd Itachi to go along with it.
You are making quite a few claims if I understand you correctly.
Are you saying the curse marks are spare "bodies" he can transfer his conscious to in case the current "body" 's safety is at risk?
All we know about the curse mark is its relation to Juugo's clan and the Snake Sage mountain.
Also, I disagree with the your idea that Shisui KA'd Itachi. First, I don't believe Kishi would want both Shisui and Itachi to have the same personality. I say that because if Shisui did cast KA on Itachi then it would be Shisui's will committing the act and not Itachi.
As it turns out, we know Itachi's will is different from Shisui since Itachi says to Naruto "you have Shisui's will, you no longer need his eye". And we know Naruto's will is not the same as Itachi's. They may both want to protect the village, but Itachi does not feel the same about people in general. Itachi chose to follow Hiruzen/Danzo's plan and kill all Uchiha. Do you think Naruto would have agreed? Of course not. So in terms of will, they are not the same. So if their will is not the same, it is highly unlikely that Shisui forced his will via KA onto Itachi.
Also, we know it was Itachi's own free will to do what he did. Remember that manga page you posted of Itachi crying? That chapter showed it was Itachi's painful decision and that to repent he would watch over the Leaf from the shadows from inside a criminal organization. Danzo has confirmed it, and now Hiruzen has confirmed it.
Second, as mentioned before the time discrepancy is too short.
Orochimaru's Conscious moved to Anko's curse mark after his last defeat to itachi......
i understand what your saying about their personalities, but itachi said shisui taught him to understand that a true ninja protects from the shadows.....itachi's will is the same as shisui(his ideals/he idolized him)
shisui used KA on itachi befor ehe gave the eye to him,by looking at him with his MS and having it still activated
then telling itachi to protect the village, maybe it was the same thing itachi was thinking"protect the village"
and Shisui said protect the Uchiha name, then while explaining this Itachi said the same thing to Naruto or Sasuke....
TIME)maybe becuz Shisui's command was the same as Itachi's thoughts and will "protect the village" the
Orochimaru's Conscious moved to Anko's curse mark after his last defeat to itachi......
i understand what your saying about their personalities, but itachi said shisui taught him to understand that a true ninja protects from the shadows.....itachi's will is the same as shisui(his ideals/he idolized him)
shisui used KA on itachi befor ehe gave the eye to him,by looking at him with his MS and having it still activated
then telling itachi to protect the village, maybe it was the same thing itachi was thinking"protect the village"
and Shisui said protect the Uchiha name, then while explaining this Itachi said the same thing to Naruto or Sasuke....
TIME)maybe becuz Shisui's command was the same as Itachi's thoughts and will "protect the village" the
You jump to far too many conclusions. Have you considered that Orochimaru's conscious may reside in all curse marks? Have you considered conscious playing no part in that personality/memories are duplicated?
I like how you jump straight to "Itachi's will is the same as Shisui" after putting close to no effort in explaining your position.
I was hoping you'd use logic and reason to back up your assumptions, not just what you personally want to happen.
If you wish to be taken seriously, I suggest you address my/others' points with greater depth rather than your simplistic approach.
You jump to far too many conclusions. Have you considered that Orochimaru's conscious may reside in all curse marks? Have you considered conscious playing no part in that personality/memories are duplicated? I like how you jump straight to "Itachi's will is the same as Shisui" after putting close to no effort in explaining your position.I was hoping you'd use logic and reason to back up your assumptions, not just what you personally want to happen.If you wish to be taken seriously, I suggest you address my/others' points with greater depth rather than your simplistic approach.
Shisui KA control an individual without them noticing-self sacrifice protect the leaf(within shadows) "Shisui taught me that" Itachi's WILL is the SAME as Shisui's. As far as kishi not wanting them to have same personality, well they have similar beliefs and the same ideals about the village's safety; that has nothing too much to do with personality as you see Ino-Shika-Cho having different personalities yet same want for the village to be safe( as can be said for every character in the series) and A KEY difference with Itachi & Shisui is (aside from hair & looks) is that Shisui had KA to and Itachi didnt so Itachi would resort to violence to stop the Civil War, while Shisui could just give commands with KA.
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Oro's Consciousness(inhabited this curse seal)ofcourse its likely his consciousness/or curse seals only were(like shadowclones) was in different places at the same time but he probably couldnt watch from every curseseal while he was alive & unsealed n totsuka, but his DNA & chakra & WILL was trying to consume and reform through Kabuto after he possessed it...but at that time Anko is the only one who had a curse seal so he couldnt watch from anyone else.....Juugo doesnt need a curse mark as it is a kekkei genkai of his clan
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KA reactivation timeif used on Itachi before Massacre and from Naruto)that would only be 8 years difference..(yes)
BUT LIKE OROchimaru body transfer jutsu takes 3 years to reactivate( he failed in those 3 years) and his consciousness moved to another source where he was resurrected from(ANKO) he was able to transfer Zetsu's body before another 3 years could pass...thus, seemingly nullified that 3year reactivation time, cause his consciousness moved to a different body, or simply because he failed when trying against Sasuke's....but he wasnt in agravating pain like his body need to take a new one....as if the reactivation time restarted..
That's all conjecture. Crying doesn't make him gentle in my eyes. My ultimate point is Itachi already had the resolve to do what he did, he didn't need to be KA'd.At any rate, nothing you said changes the fact that the plan to stop the rebilion by killing the Uchia was thought of AFTER Shisui died. There is no way he could have KA'd Itachi to go along with it.
Itachi knew the ins and outs of the Uchiha at a much earlier age than when the clan planned to rebel.
My guess based on the actual events in the manga as well as character ideals and personalities and intellect is:
Everyone knew if the Uchiha rebelled that means VIOLENCE! Lives taken, Houses destroyed! The Hokage wanted to avoid that at all costs, So if your a Hokage like Sarutobi was a Genius, a God of Shinobi , he along with the rest of the elders knew the village comes first...the death of the Leaf or Uchiha was at stake here..... they as Itachi indicates all throughout the manga shows that they plan ahead...Hokage was prepared to GO TO WAR at anytime...especially if he was in constant talks with Itachi (spy for both the LEAF & Uchiha) who also was prepared for Violence with someone who was plotting violence on you......Danzo is always deathly and blunt with Authority & his Ideals so to say he wasnt prepared for war with uchiha would be almost silly since they had constant talks about it involving Uchiha..
Itachi indeed had thoughts that death would be involved as he was apart of Uchiha's plan and Leaf's..
and as Sarutobi said, his (Itachi's) reasoning was like Hokage's at the age of 7...
Plus Hokage are prepared to DIE for the Leaf and theyre brethren would gladly defend it with HONOR..
Sarutobi volunteer to die for the leaf & comrades
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Itachi couldnt take it upon himself to KILL Sasuke so ofcourse he wouldnt jump at the chance to kill his family.
treat uchiha as rebels and every page after
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Hiruzen didnt want that talk around Itachi since its his family and they were trying to hold out for peace......Hiruzen was very gentle and caring...
Itachi wasnt going to present a plan to kill his breathren if there was still a chance to save them.....
im sure Itachi knew the only way to save the village almost was to kill its enemies(uchiha in this case)
Shisui.....Itachi's Resolve: he probably was depressed and felt like it was his last chance to stop it and didnt really know how to.... Shisui's last words might have given him that resolve and Shisui had his MS activated while talking to Itachi... All Im saying to that is that the plan was discussed with Itachi after Shisui died, but Shisui didnt tell Itachi to kill the Clan..He told him to PROTECT the VILLAGE.with his MS activated..
Also, I disagree with the your idea that Shisui KA'd Itachi. First, I don't believe Kishi would want both Shisui and Itachi to have the same personality. I say that because if Shisui did cast KA on Itachi then it would be Shisui's will committing the act and not Itachi.
As it turns out, we know Itachi's will is different from Shisui since Itachi says to Naruto "you have Shisui's will, you no longer need his eye". And we know Naruto's will is not the same as Itachi's. They may both want to protect the village, but Itachi does not feel the same about people in general. Itachi chose to follow Hiruzen/Danzo's plan and kill all Uchiha. Do you think Naruto would have agreed? Of course not. So in terms of will, they are not the same. So if their will is not the same, it is highly unlikely that Shisui forced his will via KA onto Itachi.
Also, we know it was Itachi's own free will to do what he did. Remember that manga page you posted of Itachi crying? That chapter showed it was Itachi's painful decision and that to repent he would watch over the Leaf from the shadows from inside a criminal organization. Danzo has confirmed it, and now Hiruzen has confirmed it.
Second, as mentioned before the time discrepancy is too short
personality(Jiraiya-Naruto/Oro-Sas/Kak-Sas/Guy-Lee/ similarities enough said...
Shisui gave the Eye to Itachi...........Itachi gave it to Naruto.......enough said...
Shisui simply told Itachi to Protect the Village, NOT KILL the Uchiha....
personality(Jiraiya-Naruto/Oro-Sas/Kak-Sas/Guy-Lee/ similarities enough said...
Shisui gave the Eye to Itachi...........Itachi gave it to Naruto.......enough said...
Shisui simply told Itachi to Protect the Village, NOT KILL the Uchiha....
Not only is your reasoning flawed in many aspects, you contradict yourself too. How is it that Itachi killed if he were under KA?
Your point on WILL is total nonsense again, jumping to conclusions based on NOTHING.
In fact, all your points hardly even relate to the panels you linked.
"people know I'm top tier" lol, tier in terms of turd arguments.
Not only is your reasoning flawed in many aspects, you contradict yourself too. How is it that Itachi killed if he were under KA?
Your point on WILL is total nonsense again, jumping to conclusions based on NOTHING.
In fact, all your points hardly even relate to the panels you linked.
"people know I'm top tier" lol, tier in terms of turd arguments.
what u just said didnt make sense.........Itachi might have wanted to do something to stop the uchiha, but didnt know how.....
then Shisui told him to protect the village, not kill uchiha, but protect the village no matter what.....
like itachi programmed KA in naruto's mouth to Protect Konoha....then Itachi snapped out of Edo Tensei control of Kabuto...
and of his own movements attempted to protect Konoha by stopping Kabuto....enough said?
i read the entire thread which is why i posted that....and yes they are quite silly ,your counter arguments are not really counter arguments. KA takes ten years to activate ....10 years on a eye that doesn't even have a uchiha body attached to it...i think that sounds quite right....your making assumptions that shisui used KA on itachi but it has been 8 years so how can itachi use it? well your answer was that shisui didn't use it all the way so the time frame was shorter....my answer is that he didn't use it at all....why would he? itachi and shisui had the same reslove they wanted peace in the village at age 7 itachi's intellect was on par with kages. itachi saw beyond his curse clan and so did shisui.....also danzo used KA at the summit if im correct which was also 8 years after shisui died so how'd danzo a NON-uchiha who needed hashi DNA just to be able to hold all those sharingan be able to use KA...simple shisui did not use KA when you sad he did.
oro body transfer technique is non a dojutsu its a jutsu so there can be ways to shorten the timeframe of his body transfer.
as far as we know shisui was the only one abe to use KA and it has a 10 year activation time so yeah.
i read the entire thread which is why i posted that....and yes they are quite silly ,your counter arguments are not really counter arguments. KA takes ten years to activate ....10 years on a eye that doesn't even have a uchiha body attached to it...i think that sounds quite right....your making assumptions that shisui used KA on itachi but it has been 8 years so how can itachi use it? well your answer was that shisui didn't use it all the way so the time frame was shorter....my answer is that he didn't use it at all....why would he? itachi and shisui had the same reslove they wanted peace in the village at age 7 itachi's intellect was on par with kages. itachi saw beyond his curse clan and so did shisui.....also danzo used KA at the summit if im correct which was also 8 years after shisui died so how'd danzo a NON-uchiha who needed hashi DNA just to be able to hold all those sharingan be able to use KA...simple shisui did not use KA when you sad he did.
oro body transfer technique is non a dojutsu its a jutsu so there can be ways to shorten the timeframe of his body transfer.
as far as we know shisui was the only one abe to use KA and it has a 10 year activation time so yeah.
dont forget Itachi can program another Uchiha's Sharingan to activate and perform a certain jutsu as well....
He did that by making Sasuke use Amateratsu on Tobi..and He programmed Shisui's eye given to him to be used on his Eyes if Sasuke transplanted them and decided to attack the village....
You obviously didnt read the whole thread, if you did you would see i've answered the Time KA can be used again question again, and said maybe after Shisui's death it was reset or maybe didnt have to wait 10 years because the command he gave Itachi was to protect Konoha, Itachi already wants to do that so it might have just gave him more influence to do so rather than just thinking about.....
then Itachi received orders to kill them and he did...Also Shisui gave it to Itachi so he obviously trusted him maybe programmed his own eye to work for Itachi's own wishes
thats why Itachi would say "Shisui disappeared," because he couldnt remember after Shisui used Koto on him..
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Now I dont know if it will be revealed before or after Sasuke battles Obito/Naruto with Orochimaru after his body
after he gets it or not....Maybe Sarutobi knows more(wish he had something to say about Kagami Uchiha)sigh...
also my prediction for the rest & end of naruto is still coming, im justing posting bits and pieces here & there.
dont forget Itachi can program another Uchiha's Sharingan to activate and perform a certain jutsu as well....
He did that by making Sasuke use Amateratsu on Tobi..and He programmed Shisui's eye given to him to be used on his Eyes if Sasuke transplanted them and decided to attack the village....
You obviously didnt read the whole thread, if you did you would see i've answered the Time KA can be used again question again, and said maybe after Shisui's death it was reset or maybe didnt have to wait 10 years because the command he gave Itachi was to protect Konoha, Itachi already wants to do that so it might have just gave him more influence to do so rather than just thinking about.....
then Itachi received orders to kill them and he did...Also Shisui gave it to Itachi so he obviously trusted him maybe programmed his own eye to work for Itachi's own wishes
after shishui death it was reset by who? itachi? the eye didint belong to him and that was not his jutsu??? also the point of itachi programming amaterasu....doesn't sasuke have that in his arsenal to begin with? not only that but he uses amaterasu better than itachi. also it doesnt have a ten year reactivation time.
you keep sayin more infuence but what if i told you that itachi was the one who influenced shisui. and you know why i can say that because the manga hasn't stated it to be flase. itachi just said that shisui shared the same ideals as him. what if itachi was the one that asked shisui to help him.? how does your theory work then.?
if used on Itachi before Massacre and from Naruto)that would only be 8 years difference..(yes) 
