[Theory] The Relationship Between The Shiki Fuujin(Kai) and the Uchiha Tablet

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The Shiki Fuujin Kai or Reaper Death Unseal required the Uchiha Tablet as the catalyst for successfully performing the jutsu and releasing the Hokages.

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It seems peculiar to me that an Uzumaki Technique (Shiki Fuujin) would require an Uchiha object as the catalyst for its' unsealing.

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We know for a fact that the Shiki Fuujin is an original Uzumaki Fuuinjutsu, Orochimaru said he researched in the Uzumaki ruins (most probably referring to Uzushiogakure)

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Now there are two possible scenarios on how Orochimaru obtained the RDS Unseal Technique:

a.). Orochimaru developed the jutsu itself based on the Uzumaki documents he studied

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b.) The Uzumaki documents themselves contain the information or the jutsu of the RDS Unseal.

none the less, based on the two scenarios mentioned, one thing is clear: The Uchiha Tablet is the catalyst for performing the Shiki Fuujin Kai (RDS Unseal).

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From this we can infer that The Uchiha Tablet room of the Naka Shrine was not just some random place that Orochimaru or Sasuke chose to perform RDS Unseal and speak with the Edo Hokages, the object in that room: the Uchiha/Naka Tablet was needed.

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Orochimaru needed to be in front of the tablet to perform the Shiki Fuujin Kai.


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Based on Orochimaru's detailed knowledge of unsealing the Shiki Fuujin, it is logical to assume that the scroll itself was created by the Uzumakis and not Orochimaru creating the scroll itself.

It follows the logic that: lock makers (Uzumakis) would have the written knowledge of the techniques of unlocking their own creations (Shiki Fuujin)

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So the most probable scenario is: The scroll was made by the Uzumaki Clan and not by Orochimaru himself and it details the exact steps, tools and techniques needed to unlock the Shiki Fuujin

Now, since we have established that the Uzumakis themselves created the scroll and the Shiki Fuujin Kai, their arises a small peculiar anomaly:

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The Uzumakis were not allied with the Uchihas so they would not have access to the tablet itself. They could not have accessed or studied the Tablet, then how could they know it was the catalyst for RDS Unseal?

And to even complicate the matters, the Uzumakis were allied with the Uchihas enemy clan: The Senjus
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So there was no seemingly possible way that the Uzumakis could have known and used the RDS Unseal because they do not have access to the catalyst of the technique: The Uchiha Tablet. BUT the Uzumakis did know of it.

How then could the Uzumakis have known that the Uchiha Tablet was the catalyst object needed for the Shiki Fuujin Kai if they never had access to it nor had it been in their possession? How were they able to acquire the knowledge (or possibly) perform the technique if the Uchiha Tablet was off-limits to them?

I think the answer is this:

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It was Rikudou Sennin himself who wrote and made the Uchiha Tablet

It is my theory that Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki and that the Shiki Fuujin and the Shiki Fuujin Kai were his techniques. He left the Uchiha Tablet to the Elder Son as an immediate inheritence for being his eldest son and his immediate blood relative, while he left to his younger son, the Senju Ancestor the inheritence of being his successor.

While Rikudou, also left an inheritence to his relatives: the progenitor Uzumakis (non-ninjutsu wielders) an inheritence of speciality techniques: Fuuinjutsu

So Rikudou Sennin left his legacy of Fuinjutsu to his Uzumaki relatives ( kindred, cousins,etc.) he taught them the Shiki Fuujin Jutsu.

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And Rikudou Sennin was probably the one who taught them how to unseal the Shiki Fuujin: The Shiki Fuujin Kai

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The RDS Unseal (Shiki Fuujin Kai) was a jutsu that was probably meant to be used as a last resort measure of unlocking the RDS in case of dire necessity or emergency.

But, there was a problem, the catalyst was inherited by the Uchiha Clan: The Naka Shrine Tablet.

The main purpose of the Uchiha Tablet is the detailed records and secrets of Rikudou Sennin that he intended to pass to his Elder Son: The Uchiha Ancestor.

The Tablet being used as the catalyst for the RDS Unseal was a secondary reason for its' use, and to be used only in extreme emergency cases.

So the division of the inheritance and legacy of Rikudou Sennin was settled when he died. He chose his younger son (Senju Ancestor) as his successor, in turn he gave the Tablet to the elder son (Uchiha Ancestor) and the sealing techniques or Fuinjutsus he left to his extended relatives: The progenitor Uzumakis (which would make the current Uzumakis a "cousin clan" of both Senju and Uchiha, but being mentioned only as a Senju distant relative because the two clans were allies while the Uzumakis and Uchihas were not.)

So the Shiki Fuujin Kai is to be used only in case of an emergency, Rikudou Sennin thought that his two sons and his extended relatives: The Uzumakis would work together.

But something happened: schism

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The Uchiha Ancestor and the Senju Ancestor fought, the Uzumakis (their extended cousins/relatives) sided with the Senjus, so if the Uzumakis decided to perform the Shiki Fuujin Kai: they would not have access to the catalyst
The Uchiha Tablet because the Uchihas would not allow them to get near or use the tablet

The Uzumakis then know how to perform RDS Unseal (Shiki Fuujin) but they were missing the Uchiha Tablet to successfully perform it.

So the reason the Uzumakis know that the Uchiha Tablet is the catalyst of the Shiki Fuujin Kai despite not being to able to access nor study the Tablet is because Rikudou Sennin was the one who gave them that knowledge.



So in conclusion:

-Rikudou Sennin being an Uzumaki left Fuuinjutsu as a legacy to his extended relatives: the ancestral/progenitor Uzumakis including the Shiki Fuujin and the Shiki Fuujin Kai.

-While Rikudou Sennin left his role as successor to his younger son (Senju Ancestor) he left the Tablet to his elder son in turn (Uchiha Ancestor)

- The Uzumaki clan's knowledge of the Shiki Fuujin Kai (RDS Unseal) came from Rikudou Sennin, despite the Uzumakis animosity to the Uchihas and the Naka Shrine Tablet's inaccessibility to them, they know that the Uchiha Tablet was the catalyst of RDS Unseal because Rikudou Sennin taught them that fact despite not being able to access the tablet itself (and the RDS Unseal itself is to be used only for emergency purposes) and Rikudou did not forsee the schism or the break out faction between the three clans.

- The Shinobi-era Uzumakis are then distant relatives of both Uchiha and Senju as "cousin clans" the Uzumaki descendants who were not from Rikudou Sennin's direct line, but from his extended relatives (his kin/cousins)

- The Shiki Fuujin, the Shiki Fuujin Kai and the Uchiha Tablet are related to each other because the original bloodline of Rikudou Sennin was the Uzumaki bloodline. (The Rinnegan came as a result of Rikudou Sealing the Juubi inside himself so his extended relatives cannot awaken such a power, they only share the vitality and chakra that was inherent in the Uzumakis and the Senjus)

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Nice thread! :D

Again another Derptastic theory man! :3
 

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Nice theory.!
 

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oh such a theory whats this kai?? everything is connected and evevrything is single....
 

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I disagree on something. Firstly, clans were already in existence when the sage first appeared and he as the manga clearly denotes was a priest.

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Obito said that the Sage passed down a Ninjutsu (not fuuinjutsu) that he developed and was secretly Passed down. His choice was to pass it down to the Uzumaki clan back at that time being that they were masters at sealing techniques. It would've been the most logical choice. Kushina was referring to the 8-Trigrams//double 4 symbols seal a Fuuinjutsu. That ninjutsu was Special Ninjtusu that Mito Possessed that just like the Sage of Six Paths who sealed the Juubi into himself, allowed her to seal Kurama into herself. It is the same Ninjutsu Madara would use to become the Juubi's host.


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You're putting me to shame with all these threads. I cannot compare anymore.
 

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Going to disagree starting with the part where you said rds was the sages technique. If it was how did he survive using it to create the biju and then select a successor?
 

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Blew my mind lol. good work.
 

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I disagree on something. Firstly, clans were already in existence when the sage first appeared and he as the manga clearly denotes was a priest.

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Obito said that the Sage passed down a Ninjutsu (not fuuinjutsu) that he developed and was secretly Passed down. His choice was to pass it down to the Uzumaki clan back at that time being that they were masters at sealing techniques. It would've been the most logical choice. Kushina was referring to the 8-Trigrams//double 4 symbols seal a Fuuinjutsu. That ninjutsu was Special Ninjtusu that Mito Possessed that just like the Sage of Six Paths who sealed the Juubi into himself, allowed her to seal Kurama into herself. It is the same Ninjutsu Madara would use to become the Juubi's host.


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Well I think Ninjutsu was the general term used by Tobi and the Fuuinjutsu is the specific term for the sealing techs :)

Going to disagree starting with the part where you said rds was the sages technique. If it was how did he survive using it to create the biju and then select a successor?

Just because you know how to make poison doesn't mean you have to ingest it :) and he used creation of all things to make the bijuus.
 
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Well I think Ninjutsu was the general term used by Tobi and the Fuuinjutsu is the specific term for the sealing techs :)

Don't speculate/make baseless assumptions. The scan clearly says Ninjutsu.
 

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Id like to say maybe the Uchiha killed the Uzumaki at one point an that tablet was either a prize or gift. We can assume kishi will tell after telling how hashirama an Madara came to an agreement to make a village with the deadly duo alliance
 

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Don't speculate/make baseless assumptions. The scan clearly says Ninjutsu.

Well anything that doesn't fall under the category of Genjutsu and involves chakra manipulation is classified under Ninjutsu, and any physical martial arts is classified as Taijutsu.
 

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Well anything that doesn't fall under the category of Genjutsu and involves chakra manipulation is classified under Ninjutsu, and any physical martial arts is classified as Taijutsu.

Not "anything". Fuinjutsu are jutsu that seal objects, living beings, chakra, ect. into another object. They are sealing techniques. Ninjutsu is any tech that allows shinobi to do anything out of the ordinary...if we go back to its rudiments; Ninshū; which the sage thought was basic ninjtsu which developed over time to produce the mass verity of ninjtusu available in the NV at present. It is never confused with Fuuinjutsu (sealing techniques) throughout the manga and is always attributed as a sealing technique not regular "ninjutsu styles" (earth, water, ect) which is proof of that.
 
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Uchiha tablet plays no important role.

Sasuke is most likely there to read it for himself with the EMS.

Orochimaru already explained this. There is no connection. Nice try tho buddy. Oh shit whose the guy in your avi.

I disagree on something. Firstly, clans were already in existence when the sage first appeared and he as the manga clearly denotes was a priest.

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Obito said that the Sage passed down a Ninjutsu (not fuuinjutsu) that he developed and was secretly Passed down. His choice was to pass it down to the Uzumaki clan back at that time being that they were masters at sealing techniques. It would've been the most logical choice. Kushina was referring to the 8-Trigrams//double 4 symbols seal a Fuuinjutsu. That ninjutsu was Special Ninjtusu that Mito Possessed that just like the Sage of Six Paths who sealed the Juubi into himself, allowed her to seal Kurama into herself. It is the same Ninjutsu Madara would use to become the Juubi's host.


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@ Bold and underlined.. I disagree highly with.
 
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Not "anything". Fuinjutsu are jutsu that seal objects, living beings, chakra, ect. into another object. They are sealing techniques. Ninjutsu is any tech that allows shinobi to do anything out of the ordinary...if we go back to its rudiments; Ninshū; which the sage thought was basic ninjtsu which developed over time to produce the mass verity of ninjtusu available in the NV at present. It is never confused with Fuuinjutsu (sealing techniques) throughout the manga and is always attributed as a sealing technique not regular "ninjutsu styles" (earth, water, ect) which is proof of that.

Well you just have to look at the scan you provided:

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It says there that the Sage developed a certain ninjutsu ..... and that ninjutsu is still being secretly passed down to this day

It (certain ninjutsu) is the Sealing Jutsu Process of Jinchuuriki ...

So by Tobi's statement alone, it is inferred that Fuuinjutsu falls under Ninjutsu. :)
 
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