Rikudou Sennin Is Definitely An Uzumaki

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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very well thought out thread bro. (ang galing mo xd)

Thank you! thank you!

 

[Chuggs]

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Didn't Rikudou create ninjutsu?
Which means there wasn't an Uzumaki clan with some fancy sealing techniques during and before Rikudou's time, so there goes the theory of Rikudou coming from a clan specialized in sealing jutsu.
Like all ninja clans the Uzumaki clan was formed sometime after Rikudou's time by some Senju descendants.

The only connection they have with the So6P is that they are descendants of the Senju who in turn are descendants of the So6P.

This theory has been going on for so long and it needs to die.

 

[Chatte]

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Well this theory is becoming more and more obvious. I've been saying this every since Kurama said "This is the six path's..." referring at Naruto sealing him.
How obvious can that be?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Well this theory is becoming more and more obvious. I've been saying this every since Kurama said "This is the six path's..." referring at Naruto sealing him.
How obvious can that be?

Indeed Chatte, indeed

 

[Omnipotent]

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Lineage, based on this context, does not mean that the Uzumaki clan was derived from the main branch of Senju, lineage means, in the anthropological context of the word: Kinship, meaning related, of connected by blood, it does not specify that the Uzumakis derived its' ancestry from the Senjus but rather they are of Kinship: of blood relations.

This better translation (*********** > mangapanda any day of the week) says bloodline:

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bloodline - a set of ancestors or line of descent of a person.
So yes, the Uzumaki are basically... a subset of the Senju with special characteristics.

 

[Regulus]

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I agree wholeheartedly. I've been thinking the same thing for a while. Plus why else would the Uzumaki have powerful chakra and longevity.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Didn't Rikudou create ninjutsu?
Which means there wasn't an Uzumaki clan with some fancy sealing techniques during and before Rikudou's time, so there goes the theory of Rikudou coming from a clan specialized in sealing jutsu.
Like all ninja clans the Uzumaki clan was formed sometime after Rikudou's time by some Senju descendants.

The only connection they have with the So6P is that they are descendants of the Senju who in turn are descendants of the So6P.

This theory has been going on for so long and it needs to die.

I understand that he created Ninjutsu, or to be specific, he discovered the very nature of chakra, but let us pause and analyze for a moment, Jiraiya stated that the time of the Sage was an era of constant strife, whether the warring factions had access to Ninjutsu or not is a moot point, however, what is clear is that the Sage must have belong to some family, because it's only natural that despite his demigod powers, he was still mortal, and must have had parents, now, the Rinnegan was an inherent power of the Sage since it belonged to his eye, it is possible that when he founded the art of ninjutsu, and if we assume that no one then knew how to wield chakra, gave the art of sealing techniques to his parental clan: The Uzumakis (who, for the sake of argument, we assume did not wield ninjutsu) so the Sage having a parental family, the Uzumakis, married and had two sons, The Uchiha and the Senju ancestors, they inherited their father's vast powers, but, at the same time, the Sage left a legacy for his own parental clan, The Uzumakis, the Sealing Jutsus he used.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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This better translation (*********** > mangapanda any day of the week) says bloodline:

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bloodline - a set of ancestors or line of descent of a person.
So yes, the Uzumaki are basically... a subset of the Senju with special characteristics.

Kinship is also defined as bloodline, but whether the coefficient of relationship is derived from the former or the latter, or both share one common ancestry, was not expounded upon by Zetsu, so there is no contradiction in the assumption that the Uzumakis were of the bloodline of the Senjus, but not from the Senjus

 

[Retsu]

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I disagree, I think he shares sealing jutsu in common with the uzumaki's for the same reason he shares dojutsu with Uchiha, they originated from him. there were no powerful jutsu's of any caliber before he basically invented ninjutsu. The Manga also already said that Uzumaki were an off shoot of senju's, for him to be uzumaki is like the egg coming before the chicken.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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I disagree, I think he shares sealing jutsu in common with the uzumaki's for the same reason he shares dojutsu with Uchiha, they originated from him. there were no powerful jutsu's of any caliber before he basically invented ninjutsu. The Manga also already said that Uzumaki were an off shoot of senju's, for him to be uzumaki is like the egg coming before the chicken.

It is not an offshoot, the faithful definition of Zetsu's words were lineage or bloodline, which translates on contextual understanding of the word as Kinship: of being related by blood, not the Uzumaki's descending from the Senjus.

 

[Transcendence]

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I don't get what's so hard for people to understand.

Parental clan for the Sage: Uzumaki. Hence his ability to Seal the Juubi and have the amazing body force and will to be its Jinchuriki.

He Married and had two sons. Elder son=Uchiha, Younger son=Senju. It is noted that the Uzumaki are not descendants, but RELATIVES. It doesn't mean that they branched off from the Senju, just they have a relation. That relation? THE SAGE.

The sage is in technicality, the Grandfather of the Uchiha and Senju. That's how he has the two bloodlines. Because his sons split off and those clans were the offspring.

 

[CamW]

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I agree with this post. Kurama made a comment about Naruto being the only one able to create a link to his (Kurama's) chakra because of Kushina's blood AND because he has been a jinchuuriki for years

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. It seems Kurama is alluding to the fact that Rikudou Sennin was an Uzumaki.

 

[Omnipotent]

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Kinship is also defined as bloodline, but whether the coefficient of relationship is derived from the former or the latter, or both share one common ancestry, was not expounded upon by Zetsu, so there is no contradiction in the assumption that the Uzumakis were of the bloodline of the Senjus, but not from the Senjus

The Uchiha and the Senju share common ancestry, and that's from the SO6P, who had the blood and powers of both. Why does it take both of them to control the Gedo Mazou, if it just required common ancestry? So, I'm sticking with the Uzumaki being a special subset of the Senju (special enough for them to become another clan entirely). Furthermore, I don't see any Uzumaki having Uchiha DNA as the Sage of the Six Paths did, nor did they have dojutsu.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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The Uchiha and the Senju share common ancestry, and that's from the SO6P, who had the blood and powers of both. Why does it take both of them to control the Gedo Mazou, if it just required common ancestry? So, I'm sticking with the Uzumaki being a special subset of the Senju (special enough for them to become another clan entirely). Furthermore, I don't see any Uzumaki having Uchiha DNA as the Sage of the Six Paths did, nor did they have dojutsu.

I like to point something out, if, as Zetsu said, Nagato was the only one who besides Madara was able to summon the Demonic Statue, and given Madara was able to do so with both Uchiha and Senju DNA, then why can Nagato do it too if he only had Senju DNA from the Uzumaki line? surely he needs both Uchiha and Senju DNA to summon it, and since Madara did not inject Uchiha DNA into Nagato before giving him the Rinnegan, it is therefore logical to assume that his Uzumaki heritage also has blood relations to the Uchihas.

 

[new sage of 6 paths]

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Derp,ur always known to make plusible theories,wuldnt be surprised if it where real!

 

[Chatte]

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Really now... How bluntly obvious do you guys want it? Uzumakis are specialized in sealings, Sage of six paths sealed the Juubi and so, he became the first Jinchuuriki.
As well, only Uzumakis were the ones capable of becoming the Jinchuuriki of 9 tails, the most powerful of them all after the split.
Really, doesn't tick anything to you guys?

 

[Retsu]

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I dunno, if the Uzumaki had direct lineage to the sage then I feel they'd have more than just senju characteristics, they're pretty much the same thing as a senju while having next to nothing in common with Uchiha, further more, Naruto and sasuke are the embodiment of the elder and younger sons, this to me heavily implies that Uzumaki's and senju's share an exclusive relationship , that has nothing to do with Uchiha.

 

[Chatte]

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AH! A thing more!
He was the first to understand how chakra works, or something along the lines.
Naruto, via his Uzumaki traits was the only one who understood how Kurama's chakra worked and molded it so it meets the requirements necessary for every shinobi.
Bottom line is, the Sage, as well as Naruto, understood how chakra worked.
Trink?!

 

[Transcendence]

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Then why can Nagato summon the Gedo Mazou, if he only has Senju Lineage? Don't you need both Senju and Uchiha? Hmm...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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I dunno, if the Uzumaki had direct lineage to the sage then I feel they'd have more than just senju characteristics, they're pretty much the same thing as a senju while having next to nothing in common with Uchiha, further more, Naruto and sasuke are the embodiment of the elder and younger sons, this to me heavily implies that Uzumaki's and senju's share an exclusive relationship , that has nothing to do with Uchiha.

Like I pointed out, Nagato was chosen exclusively by Madara to awaken further the Rinnegan's powers because he was an Uzumaki, and given that the awakening of the Rinnegan, and the summoning of the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, requires the bearer of the Rinnegan to have both Senju and Uchiha DNA, then why was Nagato able to summon it if his Uzumaki blood only has Senju blood? it is more plausible then, that the Uzumaki blood, contains both Senju and Uchiha Blood to wield the Rinnegan and summon the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path.

Then why can Nagato summon the Gedo Mazou, if he only has Senju Lineage? Don't you need both Senju and Uchiha? Hmm...

Exactly my point, because The Uzumaki blood has both Senju and Uchiha DNA because the Uzumakis were the original bloodline of the Sage!

AH! A thing more!
He was the first to understand how chakra works, or something along the lines.
Naruto, via his Uzumaki traits was the only one who understood how Kurama's chakra worked and molded it so it meets the requirements necessary for every shinobi.
Bottom line is, the Sage, as well as Naruto, understood how chakra worked.
Trink?!

Ding! Ding! Ding! Correct!