(DrProof & The Orange Hokage) Uchiha's Relevance To Edo Tensei (Collaboration)

[YellowFlash1]

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I'm assuming that the entire theory is that, he solely created "Edo Tensei" so he could bring the Uchicha back from the dead?

I highly doubt this, reason being that i doubt he would bring them back as it wouldn't exactly ease their pain. They would more than likely seek revenge, with their newly awakened powers.

Sasuke is a prime example, he was able to know the truth about his brother yet he started to blame others for his suffering, just like Tobirama stated, "Their love is strong".

This in my opinion, this would lead to the Uchiha seeking revenge on the person who originally killed them. I doubt he would even of done that for them, because he didn't seem to hold them with high regards.

I would have to disagree. This time, it's got nothing to do with the Uchiha in my opinion.

 

[Omnipotent]

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That may have added some strength to this theory.. The fact Hashirama couldn't understand Tobirama's reasoning for creating such a technique.. Maybe Hashirama himself didn't know that the Uchiha awakened the Sharingan due to their emotions.

Which also explains why Tobirama was the one to correct the misconception over the Uchiha, and not Hashirama.
What surprises me the most is that Minato isn't surprised over learning how the Uchiha really are. Hiruzen, I can understand, because it's likely that he knew as well as Tobirama was his sensei, but how would Minato know?

 

[HadouKage]

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I'm assuming that the entire theory is that, he solely created "Edo Tensei" so he could bring the Uchicha back from the dead?

I highly doubt this, reason being that i doubt he would bring them back as it wouldn't exactly ease their pain. They would more than likely seek revenge, with their newly awakened powers.

Sasuke is a prime example, he was able to know the truth about his brother yet he started to blame others for his suffering, just like Tobirama stated, "Their love is strong".

This in my opinion, this would lead to the Uchiha seeking revenge on the person who originally killed them. I doubt he would even of done that for them, because he didn't seem to hold them with high regards.

I would have to disagree. This time, it's got nothing to do with the Uchiha in my opinion.

I highly disagree, also remember how much hatred that Sasuke had for Itachi until he found out about the truth about him. As you can see by their collab against DSM Kabuto how much more compassion he had for him so in a way his hatred and anger toward Itachi had vanished and he felt like he was finally with his brother that he loved (hence the flashbacks) until Itachi undid the Edo

Prologue


A friend of mine named

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suggested a quite plausible theory in my presence. He suggested that we produce a collaboration in making this theory come to life, in which has happened here. So please give your best regards (rather it be rep, or thanks) to

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as well as this wouldn't have been possible without his idea. Now let's get into why Edo Tensei had relevance to The Uchiha Clan.


Hypothesis


The Uchiha's had a problem with their infatuation for their loved ones, once they had lost their love despair had taken over enabling them a new power the Sharingan. As their despair for their fallen loved ones had grown stronger,so did their new found power the Sharingan, which turned into the Mangekyou Sharingan. The scenario we have at hand currently is this: Wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingan, using their power foolishly causing problems for the Hidden Leaf Village. This had to be dealt with as quick as possible, so Tobirama took action, he had to keep the Uchiha at bay.

While Tobirama Senju secluded the Uchiha to the outskirts of the Hidden Leaf Village (Konoha Police Department) he had the problem dealt with for the time being. This decision enabled him to allow the Uchiha Clan to do something good for the Hidden Leaf Village, enforce the law, and stop criminals/latent criminals. Sure this stopped the problem for awhile, but I truly believe Tobirama found this to be wrong I believe he wanted follow his brothers wishes, and not alienate the Uchiha from the Village.. What were Tobirama's true plans/goals for the Uchiha Clan?

• Tobirama wanted to channel the Uchiha's power to help the village.
• Tobirama secluded the Uchiha to the outskirts of Konoha (Konoha Police Department).
• Tobirama created Edo Tensei to bring back the dead.
• Possibly Tobirama wanted to bring back the Uchiha's loved ones to channel their ocular prowess to help the Village not by force, but willingly.

The Uchiha's plunge into darkness, and despair was the reason Tobirama created the Edo Tensei. Edo Tensei was created to bring back the Uchiha's lost loved ones, to bring the Uchiha from the darkness to bring them back to their stable personalities not causing problems for the Hidden Leaf Village, but doing it good. With the Uchiha's out of the darkness their annihilation would have been inconceivable as the idea wouldn't have crossed the elder's or the Hokage's mind due to their stability, and helpfulness to the Village.



Conclusion

• Tobirama's true plan/goal wasn't to seclude the Uchiha Clan.
• Tobirama's true plan/goal was to bring the Uchiha Clan from the darkness (their despair).
• Tobirama created Edo Tensei to bring the Uchiha's loved one back to life to consul the Uchiha fallen in hatred.
• Tobirama's ultimatum benefited the whole ideal (take care of the Village).

@Bold
Very interesting are you suggesting that Edo Tensei's purpose was to not only to bring the Uchiha out their darkness but to also reverse MS? (If that at all is even possibly)

 

[DrProof]

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Very interesting theory, never really thought about it that way. Do you really think Tobirama was that compassionate (not hating on Tobirama, just curious)

I don't think he was necessarily compassionate, moreover non biased, a leader who would do anything, and everything for his Village.

Actually, Madara has no reason to lie. What benefit would he gain from lying... TO HIMSELF? That's the truth.

The quote below you is an example of a character lying/assuming in dialogue. You say Madara doesn't have a reason to do so,well he very well may be assuming rather than lying.

Lol I still remember this chapter...

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Repped for the scan.

 

[CharlieBundels]

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So...

Can I make a theory on how Minato perfected his Rasengan + Element addition? No, I can't because the manga would disagree with this.

Madara can't really assume, can he? Madara was alive and well during the time of Hashirama and Tobirama. Their clans were sworn rivals, I think he'd know what the techniques intentions were better than anyone else bar the Senju bros themselves.

 

[Owarij]

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Another thing

If he made edo tensei for that use.. why didn't he do it? why didn't he revive their loved ones?


Instead he went into war with edo's.. as Madara, Chiyo etc stated.. he was known for using them in battle..

 

[DrProof]

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@Bold
Very interesting are you suggesting that Edo Tensei's purpose was to not only to bring the Uchiha out their darkness but to also reverse MS? (If that at all is even possibly)

No.. You can't reverse Magekyou Sharingan lol.

 

[ImNotScared]

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Edo Tensei requires a human sacrifice... Tobirama was willing to sacrifice a person to make a whiny Uchiha happy?

 

[DrProof]

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Another thing

If he made edo tensei for that use.. why didn't he do it? why didn't he revive their loved ones?


Instead he went into war with edo's.. as Madara, Chiyo etc stated.. he was known for using them in battle..

Where did Madara, Chiyo, and since you added "etc" there must have been more who implied this as well? Scans?

 

[HadouKage]

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No.. You can't reverse Magekyou Sharingan lol.

Haha, it was just a thought =P

 

[DrProof]

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So...

Can I make a theory on how Minato perfected his Rasengan + Element addition? No, I can't because the manga would disagree with this.

Madara can't really assume, can he? Madara was alive and well during the time of Hashirama and Tobirama. Their clans were sworn rivals, I think he'd know what the techniques intentions were better than anyone else bar the Senju bros themselves.

Very true, Madara was alive during their era. However why would Tobirama announce such activity to Madara? It seems as if Hashirama didn't know in depth the intentions of Edo Tensei..

 

[Edo Odin]

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Also, you should add the fact that this'd be a good explanation on how Madara knew the seals to release the Edo Tensei.

 

[DrProof]

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Which also explains why Tobirama was the one to correct the misconception over the Uchiha, and not Hashirama.
What surprises me the most is that Minato isn't surprised over learning how the Uchiha really are. Hiruzen, I can understand, because it's likely that he knew as well as Tobirama was his sensei, but how would Minato know?

I don't believe Minato knew, moreover he was just listening to his elders. As it seemed Minato had great respect for those above him.

 

[Owarij]

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Where did Madara, Chiyo, and since you added "etc" there must have been more who implied this as well? Scans?

Madara had to have seen it in battle, considering he said it was invented for the particular use..

Chiyo is from another village and knew of it
Muu etc all did as well..

Do you think he had a meeting and showed people his new jutsu or they saw it in battle ?


Chiyo also commented that who ever was currently using edo tensei had better control with it than tobirama..
This means she's seen first hand what he was capable of doing with it..

 

[PrinceMyshkin]

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I'm assuming that the entire theory is that, he solely created "Edo Tensei" so he could bring the Uchicha back from the dead?

I highly doubt this, reason being that i doubt he would bring them back as it wouldn't exactly ease their pain. They would more than likely seek revenge, with their newly awakened powers.

Sasuke is a prime example, he was able to know the truth about his brother yet he started to blame others for his suffering, just like Tobirama stated, "Their love is strong".

This in my opinion, this would lead to the Uchiha seeking revenge on the person who originally killed them. I doubt he would even of done that for them, because he didn't seem to hold them with high regards.

I would have to disagree. This time, it's got nothing to do with the Uchiha in my opinion.

^ This.

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Reuniting with Itachi only added to Sasuke's hatred of Konoha. Reuniting with their loved ones would only add to the Uchiha's grief filled hate.

 

[CharlieBundels]

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Very true, Madara was alive during their era. However why would Tobirama announce such activity to Madara? It seems as if Hashirama didn't know in depth the intentions of Edo Tensei..

He doesn't have to tell him, he just knows. Kishi doesn't really have to spoon feed every piece of detail to us, it's as clear as day. To be honest, the scan I provided shows it all. Madara seems to know the mechanics behind Mokuton, why not edo tensei? As eternal rivals, the two clans engaged in battle many many times, you think Tobirama never used it before? I doubt it.

 

[YellowFlash1]

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I highly disagree, also remember how much hatred that Sasuke had for Itachi until he found out about the truth about him. As you can see by their collab against DSM Kabuto how much more compassion he had for him so in a way his hatred and anger toward Itachi had vanished and he felt like he was finally with his brother that he loved (hence the flashbacks) until Itachi undid the Edo

You just proved my point....

Sasuke did love his brother, however, it's because of his "Strong Love", that he would do anything to avenge his brother. Which is why i doubt Tomirama would bring them back.

 

[DrProof]

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Madara had to have seen it in battle, considering he said it was invented for the particular use..

Chiyo is from another village and knew of it
Muu etc all did as well..

Do you think he had a meeting and showed people his new jutsu or they saw it in battle ?


Chiyo also commented that who ever was currently using edo tensei had better control with it than tobirama..
This means she's seen first hand what he was capable of doing with it..

Wait, you do realize Edo Tensei is quite versatile in aspects correct? Sure Edo Tensei as we've seen it is mainly used in battle, however why wouldn't a second purpose be legit as well?

 

[DrProof]

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He doesn't have to tell him, he just knows. Kishi doesn't really have to spoon feed every piece of detail to us, it's as clear as day. To be honest, the scan I provided shows it all. Madara seems to know the mechanics behind Mokuton, why not edo tensei? As eternal rivals, the two clans engaged in battle many many times, you think Tobirama never used it before? I doubt it.

So Tsunade just "knew" Obito was immortal when he really wasn't? You're implying that Kishi doesn't give us one sided views when clearly he did in this scan here..

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I'm assuming that the entire theory is that, he solely created "Edo Tensei" so he could bring the Uchicha back from the dead?

I highly doubt this, reason being that i doubt he would bring them back as it wouldn't exactly ease their pain. They would more than likely seek revenge, with their newly awakened powers.

Sasuke is a prime example, he was able to know the truth about his brother yet he started to blame others for his suffering, just like Tobirama stated, "Their love is strong".

This in my opinion, this would lead to the Uchiha seeking revenge on the person who originally killed them. I doubt he would even of done that for them, because he didn't seem to hold them with high regards.

I would have to disagree. This time, it's got nothing to do with the Uchiha in my opinion.

Do you see Sasuke currently? He is looking for consoling. I agree that he still lingered hatred however his search for his own resolve is also hope for the Uchiha fallen in darkness.

 

[HadouKage]

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You just proved my point....

Sasuke did love his brother, however, it's because of his "Strong Love", that he would do anything to avenge his brother. Which is why i doubt Tomirama would bring them back.

I don't quite understand what you are trying to say. Edo Tensei's effect is everlasting unless it is undone by the user or the host itself. As Proof as was saying, it would reverse the negative mental effects MS has on an Uchiha, therefore based on Sasuke's situation with Itachi with the fight against DSM Kabuto, his theory is (somewhat) backed.

Mind elucidating your point of view a little more?