Misconception: Obito has always been stronger than Itachi

[Kαmi]

What makes you think Obito can Kamui inside of Susanoo?

He can Kamui through people and solid objects. Kamui through Susanoo should be a cakewalk.

 

[Talal]

Or maybe obito just didnt want to waste an eye/limb fighting someone who was gonna kill themselves anyway

Yeah, but that was a risky decision since Itachi almost killed him from the grave. But you are right he knew that Itachi wanted to fight Sasuke and was sick etc.

Why would Akatsuki have Obito's back when most of them didn't know he existed? They'd be rather upset there was someone behind the scenes pulling the strings and I suppose most of them wouldn't get involved in their fight at all. Except possibly Nagato who seemed to support Obito's viewpoint.

Because Nagato is their leader, and Obito is Nagato's leader so they would be indirectly listening to Obito.

 

[Booker]

He can Kamui through people and solid objects. Kamui through Susanoo should be a cakewalk.

Maybe so, but would he have to stay in Kamui? For all we know, that chakra completly surrounds Itachi except for where Itachi's body physically is.

 

[blackstar9]

I didn't want to turn it into a versus thread, but wanted to clear some misconceptions and if you read the thread you'll have known some of those misconceptions. Obito never tried to attack the leaf to begin with since everything went according to plan

I never said you turned it to a vs thread. and i read thread .things were not going according to plan. or he wouldn't have had to go to war !!!!! eventually he would have to attack the leaf to get the nine tails.whether he did it himself or sent someone else. Why did he tell zetsu he was glad itachi was gone .so he no longer had to honor the agreement. on the other side you can make the case that itachi instead never went after tobi . which is true until the trap. Was that because his main goal was his battle with sasuke , his goal was to spy not take down akattsuki .more likely it was a agreement .and more then likely it was a cross that bridge when we get there thing

 

[Stark]

Unfortunately I disagree, when he said he'd be dead right now that means Itachi would have killed him not the Amateratsu, Obito feared Itachi because right when Itachi died he said to Zetsu "our tooth ache is gone", and that they can now go fetch the Kyuubi. Why not do it when Itachi was alive? Itachi would have killed him.

@misconception #3 that was never his intent, Sasuke killed Itachi and just saw greater value in taking him in rather than leaving him aside, he never planned any of this.

 

[Kαmi]

Maybe so, but would he have to stay in Kamui? For all we know, that chakra completly surrounds Itachi except for where Itachi's body physically is.

You might be right. Even so what stops Obito from getting to Itachi? He slips through Susanoo and then he can reach Itachi's body. From there he should be able to suck him in.

 

[Booker]

You might be right. Even so what stops Obito from getting to Itachi? He slips through Susanoo and then he can reach Itachi's body. From there he should be able to suck him in.

Itachi would more than likely be anticipating that. Itachi is the smartest combatant we've ever seen in Naruto.

 

[Fecal Matter]

i agree Obito without rinnegan is still strong and the itachi fans can't really say anything about a actual battle since Obito has the powers to beat itachi.Thats why bogard you will always see the same excuses.

 

[Talal]

I feel like how Zetsu reacted to Itachi during his fight with Sasuke shows that they do think of him very highly, he was saying things about how Itachi is invincible and such, and we all know how close Zetsu is to Obito and how much he knows of his powers. That leads me to believe that Itachi was in the same league as Obito if not higher.

 

[Draphsin]

Maybe so, but would he have to stay in Kamui? For all we know, that chakra completly surrounds Itachi except for where Itachi's body physically is.

Doesnt matter, point is obito can stay intangible until susanoo is deactivated

Itachi would more than likely be anticipating that. Itachi is the smartest combatant we've ever seen in Naruto.

He might be smart but he doesnt have the necessariy skills to beat obito, sasuke is arguably smarter than bee. But bee whooped his ass due to pure skill.

 

[jsrhoden]

Itachi is not perfect, and he is not unstoppable. He has flaws and weaknesses, like every other character in the story (excluding SO6P here).

If he didn't, he wouldn't be such a good character. Recognizing that Itachi has weaknesses is the single thing that separates his fans from his fanboys.

 

[Bogard]

Maybe so, but would he have to stay in Kamui? For all we know, that chakra completly surrounds Itachi except for where Itachi's body physically is.

He warped Torune while a part of his body was in the other dimension and the other just on Torune's back in the real world:

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He warped Fuu while being intangible as well, so doing so won't be a big deal for him:

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Unfortunately I disagree, when he said he'd be dead right now that means Itachi would have killed him not the Amateratsu, Obito feared Itachi because right when Itachi died he said to Zetsu "our tooth ache is gone", and that they can now go fetch the Kyuubi. Why not do it when Itachi was alive? Itachi would have killed him.

@misconception #3 that was never his intent, Sasuke killed Itachi and just saw greater value in taking him in rather than leaving him aside, he never planned any of this.

I respect your opinion, but like i've said, Obito did intended to make Sasuke his and i posted a pic that proved he was watching his evolution. Notice that even in part1, he sent Zetsu watching the fight between Naruto and Sasuke. He always wanted Sasuke to be his, that's why killing Itachi was no option

 

[Kαmi]

Itachi would more than likely be anticipating that. Itachi is the smartest combatant we've ever seen in Naruto.

I completely agree but that doesn't mean he can counter it. Itachi's skill and move set is stacked but I can't think of one move that could counter Kamui like that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Agreed, I still don't know why people think Obito was scared of Itachi....nice thread.

 

[The 1 who knows]

naaah That IZANA*** thing he used against kabuto would work against him.
This is why: i believe Obito is using madaras ideals and not his own ideals.( just like kabuto was using Orochimarus)
so if itachi uses that technique against him i bet he would win ( I also predict a fallouy between madara and obito coz i seee Obito turning against madaras beliefs)

 

[KidGamer65]

naaah That IZANA*** thing he used against kabuto would work against him.
This is why: i believe Obito is using madaras ideals and not his own ideals.( just like kabuto was using Orochimarus)
so if itachi uses that technique against him i bet he would win ( I also predict a fallouy between madara and obito coz i seee Obito turning against madaras beliefs)

He needs to replicate the same physical contact with him twice, Obito needs one touch to warp him.

Izanami is a bad idea.

 

[ixc]

He needs to replicate the same physical contact with him twice, Obito needs one touch to warp him.

Izanami is a bad idea.

How is Izanami a bad idea when Obito uses Izanagi, Izanami > Izanagi.

Itachi can use Kage Bunshins to touch Obito, like he did with Kabuto.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is Izanami a bad idea when Obito uses Izanagi, Izanami > Izanagi.

Itachi can use Kage Bunshins to touch Obito, like he did with Kabuto.

And Obito either fries them with Katon, skewers them with Mokuton, or phases right through them with Kamui.

Obito>Itachi.

 

[Bogard]

Agreed, I still don't know why people think Obito was scared of Itachi....nice thread.

Me either

naaah That IZANA*** thing he used against kabuto would work against him.
This is why: i believe Obito is using madaras ideals and not his own ideals.( just like kabuto was using Orochimarus)
so if itachi uses that technique against him i bet he would win ( I also predict a fallouy between madara and obito coz i seee Obito turning against madaras beliefs)

Using Izanami would be suicide since we talk about a jutsu that needs 2 exact body sensation and even take a while before being activated. So Itachi would need to go to the contact, against Obito's intangibility(so no contact) plus his warping, good luck

 

[ajpn920]

Before Itachi fans flame me, i would like you to read the thread entirely please. U_U Like the title say, i believe Obito has always been stronger than Itachi even before taking the Rinnengan. I personally thought it was obvious, but i saw people thinking otherwise. It's for that reason that i wanted to create this thread to clear up some misconceptions

Misconception number1: Obito said Itachi could have killed him if he knew his secret

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"Fortunately, i managed to keep a few secrets even from him... If i had not, i'd be dead right now"

Why are people missing the right now Obito said? right now = at the present situation, so Obito obviously talking about what just happened at the moment, he was talking about the amaterasu trap, it's that he thought could have killed him had Itachi knew his secret. It had no relation with a battle situation

Secondly, why people forget the if he knew my secret? The fact remain that Itachi didn't know his secret and because of that his plan failed. This is a comparable situation to what Pain said about Jiraya. If Jiraya knew his secret, he would have won, but the fact remain that Jiraya didn't know and it's for that reason he lost

Misconception number2: Obito couldn't attack Konoha because of Itachi, so Obito feared Itachi

1- For those who really believe this, i would ask you something. What makes you believe Obito even wanted to attack the leaf at that moment to begin with? He spent 7years before even meeting Itachi. Why didn't he attack the leaf during that period? And suddenly after meeting Itachi, he would want to attack the leaf, but couldn't because of his fear?

2- It's said in the manga by Itachi himself that Akatsuki needed to seal the Kyubi at last for the stability of the demonic statue. Obito's goal is to complete the moon eye plan by using the fully reformed Juubi, so for that he needed to seal the Kyubi at last. It's for that reason that attacking the leaf or obtaining the Kyubi at that moment was unnecessary. He had other plans, he was even already working on other stuffs like taking control of the Yondaime Mizukage and perfect Jinchuriki(Yagura) to make kirigakure and the Sanbi his. His plan was going well since Akatsuki on the other side could do the job of capturing all the tailed beast up to the 9tails while himself was hiding himself in the shadow and waiting

Misconception number3: Obito never tried to kill Itachi

Obito had no reason to kill Itachi and the manga made it clear, but apparently some people missed a great part of this manga. He had no reason to kill Itachi because:

- He needed Itachi alive for Sasuke when the time come and take his revenge, awaken the Mangekyou Sharingan after killing Itachi himself, and manage to manipulate him to serve his own purposes. He was always waiting Sasuke patiently because he saw greater power in him and i suppose was easier to manipulate from his point of view. It's said

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that he was watching Sasuke's evolution and even in his databook

Now that i think i cleared some misconceptions, i would like to ask those who believe Itachi was stronger something like this

- Why didn't Itachi never try to kill someone like Obito when he probably knew he was a danger for the world?
- Why did he wait his death to create a Amaterasu trap as a fail safe to kill Obito?

The reason for me is simple. He wanted to save the world, but knew he wasn't strong enough to make a difference had a battle between the 2 had been, but since he knew he was going to die at some point, he tried with that amaterasu trap as a fail safe. Trying is always better than doing nothing anyway. Itachi knew however that Obito would try to manipulate Sasuke and serve his purposes and it's for that reason that he absolutely had to do something about it, reason why he wanted to use Kotoamatsukami to make him obey the leaf instead, unfortunately it also failed

Absolutely true!