Todays chapter confirms that Uchiha > Senju

[Munboy]

Yes we know, Obito explained long enough. And all of the events that happened started of the double-standarts.

If Tobirama wants Senju above Uchiha in Konoha this union was plain meaningless.
This is not how you have to threatened your ally.
Uchiha are also guilty like I said. You're mising the point.

For me this union was a failure. But of course then there won't be a storyline and such.

I don't recall Obito saying the double standards made Madara turn, rather it was the fact that Madara hated the Senju; he went against Hashirama and his clan didn't trust him. Think about it, he didn't trust the Senju to treat the Uchiha well and his disciple Obito was obsessed with putting out the Senju's will of fire.

Tobirama did have trust issues, no doubt. Though it started when Tobirama created the Uchiha police... Orochimaru (in both translations) does suggest that it happened because the Uchiha got conceited with their authority.

 

[Retsu]

I'd love to see exactly where the chapter confirms this, as far as I can tell they were the losing side

 

[Jobrjo]

Guys, basically what's being said is that the Uchiha have a higher skill cap then the Senju- assuming they can reach it without dying at some point.

 

[MrSimple]

I don't recall Obito saying the double standards made Madara turn, rather it was the fact that Madara hated the Senju; he went against Hashirama and his clan didn't trust him. Think about it, he didn't trust the Senju to treat the Uchiha well and his disciple Obito was obsessed with putting out the Senju's will of fire.

Tobirama did have trust issues, no doubt. Though it started when Tobirama created the Uchiha police... Orochimaru (in both translations) does suggest that it happened because the Uchiha got conceited with their authority.

Yes and his hatred grown even stronger because of the "no solution". Hashirama told to Tobirama 1000 times to not persecute Uchiha? Did he listen to his brother? He didn't.

And what did you exactly expect from Madara to do? When his clan had no place in the policy of the Konoha? When his own clan didn't entrust him and abondom him? To be happy or what? Clearly his hatred grew even stronger.

Like I said the policy of Tobirama was bad. And the result is the annihilation later.

Uchiha won't sit and wait to see Senju controlling everything in Konoha.
This union was a failure.


And please stay on topic, this thread wasn't exactly about this.

 

[Draphsin]

I'd love to see exactly where the chapter confirms this, as far as I can tell they were the losing side

chapter confirms that uchiha have way more potential than senju if you read the manga it explains this

 

[Retsu]

Guys, basically what's being said is that the Uchiha have a higher skill cap then the Senju- assuming they can reach it without dying at some point.

not a higher skill cap per say, it's just that once they've had there heart broken there is no reasoning with them without involving a huge loss of life. Senju are all about protecting the village, a war with an emo EMS user would make that hard

 

[Retsu]

chapter confirms that uchiha have way more potential than senju if you read the manga it explains this

more potential to lose their mind, but power wise I'd say they're still even.

sorry 4 double post

 

[Draphsin]

more potential to lose their mind, but power wise I'd say they're still even.

sorry 4 double post

tobirama confirms that uchiha have more power if they meet certian standards, meaning more potential

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[MissRed]

I think anyone that isn't Hashi would fear Madara. Tobirama states to Ori that he doesn't know Madara when he asked if he feared him.

 

[Retsu]

I dunno, I don't think the word love stands for actual power in this case, I think he just means they get so emotionally attached that when they lose that love, it all turns into hate. it's more of the potential for destruction they hold once they've had there heart broken that he fears, not the actual potential for power.

 

[MrSimple]

I dunno, I don't think the word love stands for actual power in this case, I think he just means they get so emotionally attached that when they lose that love, it all turns into hate. it's more of the potential for destruction they hold once they've had there heart broken that he fears, not the actual potential for power.

And exactly that loosing of their lover gaining them the next sharringan . Tobirama was scared of that. Because that power can equalize Hashi's power. That's why Tobiramai feared Madara. Because Hashi is the only threat for Uchiha.

 

[Draphsin]

I dunno, I don't think the word love stands for actual power in this case, I think he just means they get so emotionally attached that when they lose that love, it all turns into hate. it's more of the potential for destruction they hold once they've had there heart broken that he fears, not the actual potential for power.

Senju's power revolves around love that's where they draw their strength. The uchiha experience this at a higher level and so they gain immense power from it. As Missred actually stated any senju besides hashi and possibly tobi would be afraid of madara because he's the only one who's experienced the loss of love at the highest level, resulting in the mangekyo. If every uchiha was to awaken the same eyes that madara has then theres no way the senju would be able to survive. Especially considering that the uchiha were equal to the senju with just the basic 3 tomoe sharingan.

 

[3MESSIAH]

DAMN! uchihas have way too much hype,as for SENJU all they have is HASHIRAMA

 

[MrSimple]

DAMN! uchihas have way too much hype,as for SENJU all they have is HASHIRAMA

Haha, agreed :y

 

[Retsu]

Senju's power revolves around love that's where they draw their strength. The uchiha experience this at a higher level and so they gain immense power from it. As Missred actually stated any senju besides hashi and possibly tobi would be afraid of madara because he's the only one who's experienced the loss of love at the highest level, resulting in the mangekyo. If every uchiha was to awaken the same eyes that madara had theres no way the senju would be able to survive. Especially considering that the uchiha were equal to the senju with basic 3 tomoe sharingan.

The main threat of an uchiha who loves too much was him going wild, Tobirama said it. It's not so much the power he fears, it's the fact that they go bat $H!T crazy while having all that power, and the fact that he said they love so much they seal it off, kinda like what Obito did.

It's the fact that once an Uchiha has loved and lost, they literally stop caring about everything, even themselves. Tobirama knew what this could do to the stability they worked so hard to create, but saying that the Uchiha have more potential power than the Senju is a flat out lie, they just have higher potential to use there power for evil. Tobirama feared what this could mean for the vilages future, that's all.

 

[MrSimple]

The main threat of an uchiha who loves too much was him going wild, Tobirama said it. It's not so much the power he fears, it's the fact that they go bat $H!T crazy while having all that power, and the fact that he said they love so much they seal it off, kinda like what Obito did.

It's the fact that once an Uchiha has loved and lost, they literally stop caring about everything, even themselves. Tobirama knew what this could do to the stability they worked so hard to create, but saying that the Uchiha have more potential power than the Senju is a flat out lie, they just have higher potential to use there power for evil. Tobirama feared what this could mean for the vilages future, that's all.

With this you basically agreed with all I have keep saying all this time. That this union was a failure.
If you can't respect your ally by giving them a chance to be in the policy you're making the things even harder.
Tobirama failed.

 

[Retsu]

With this you basically agreed with all I have keep saying all this time. That this union was a failure.
If you can't respect your ally by giving them a chance to be in the policy you're making the thing even harder.
Tobirama failed.

All it means is that an uchiha can't keep there feelings in check enough to not hurt those around them

 

[MrSimple]

All it means is that an uchiha can't keep there feelings in check enough to not hurt those around them

You're not getting the main point. Uchiha have their issues. Bu that's not the whole problem here.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

All it means is that an uchiha can't keep there feelings in check enough to not hurt those around them

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[Draphsin]

The main threat of an uchiha who loves too much was him going wild, Tobirama said it. It's not so much the power he fears, it's the fact that they go bat $H!T crazy while having all that power, and the fact that he said they love so much they seal it off, kinda like what Obito did.

It's the fact that once an Uchiha has loved and lost, they literally stop caring about everything, even themselves. Tobirama knew what this could do to the stability they worked so hard to create, but saying that the Uchiha have more potential power than the Senju is a flat out lie, they just have higher potential to use there power for evil. Tobirama feared what this could mean for the vilages future, that's all.

No you are misunderstanding. EVERY mangekyo sharingan ability we've seen is extremely OP. Im talking about moves that hashi would even have a hard time countering (tsukuyomi, ama, kamui, and KA) and this is only a fraction of the uchiha clan and the only ones we know with MS abilities thus far. Now imagine a whole clan dedicated to moves like that or moves we havent even seen (obito with both of his eyes would be practically invincible), the senju would not be able to go toe to toe with monsters like those.

The issue regarding why tobirama isolated the clan is different than what you think. It was because he didnt want another madara running wild because it would be a detriment to the village. This means that any uchiha has the power or the potential to reach madara's level, and if thats the case then the senju clan would need to be made up of all hashi's to even have a chance at putting up a fight.