You are clutching at straws but also the manga has stated all those who are sensors and i cannot remember the manag stating minato was one, that is enough. Its true obito has changed however it could still be possible. Not that he noted the disappearance of chakra when obito killed the anbu, something that a sensor can do.
Like i've proved on my post, you need concentration for these tracking abilities. Minato was busy at maintaining the kyubi seal, too much busy that he probably didn't even pay attention. All what was in his mind at that moment was waiting for his child
Its possible however the manga hasn't stated he is.
But also from his feats, he doesn't have this.
Thanks. We've seen Minato able to detect the number of enemys. Now i've just posted a traduction that clearly hints that. I don't know which manga page do you want now to make it more clearer. It's never said that Ino for example is a sensor typ, but what if i tell you that she is?
When obito uses S/T he his whole chakra network and existence is untraceable, just saying.
OT: nice thread, but i pretty much already knew this, and like blaze said its not really sensing, he simply uses a tracking technique similar to tobirama, but in a way you can say it's basically sensing sort of.
yeah, pretty much as Blaze mentioned, the ability to sense the appearance or vanishing of ones chakra should have been apparent for a senor type. They need to concentrate to sense of specific and their movements.
yeah, pretty much as Blaze mentioned, the ability to sense the appearance or vanishing of ones chakra should have been apparent for a senor type. They need to concentrate to sense of specific and their movements.
Yeah a sensor typ can sense it sure but only when he is concentrated. Or can you explain me how Ao, Shee or Danzo's bodyguard weren't able to detect white Zetsu when he directly came infront of them during the kage summit? A concentration is needed. When you are aware of something. Minato on the other hand had all his concentration in maintaining Kyubi's seal on Kushina, on waiting to be father, obviously in these cases, you don't pay much attention. There are plenty other examples where you can see even sensor typ not detecting a thing, and all that happen when they are not concentrated in their sensing abilities at all. Beside sensor, there is even Sharingan. Remember Sharingan can detect chakra. Kakashi has Sharingan and knew Obito's chakra, yet he never noticed Tobi was Obito. Like Ao never noticed Shisui's chakra in Danzo, only until he used his Byakugan accurately
Thanks for the rep
Probably because Obito changed since last time they met? Remember he got Hashirama's DNA, and thus his chakra? And was probably even covered by Zetsu that night. With all that dramatical change, it's not possible to recognise him anymore. As for how he wasn't able to detect Obito, don't forget that when Obito uses Kamui, his body is in the other dimension, so it's not possible to detect him until he reappears
He might have been distracted from the child birth, but it IS a question since he materialized when he was just outside the wall of the hiding spot. He even materialized when he killed those anbus, so it's a real mindf*ck of a mystery ( if Yondaime really IS a sensor type )
Edit: Well my post has been stated before. I'd really like to know more though if he really is, I mean there's only one vague clue that he is. In my preference, I'd rather find more reasons to actually admit he is just my thing.
who didn't know this?!?! He uses the same technique as the 2nd Hokage. What I can't understand, is how he wasn't able to sense Tobi 1)approaching the hidout and 2)not know that was his former student's chakra
First he was using all his chakra to hold together the seal that was binding Kurama to Kushina. I would imagine that taking precedent over any approaching chakra. Second Obito had received a considerable amount of Senju DNA. I'm sure that alters the chakra to be able to utilize the Zetsu's and Mokuton.
Like i've proved on my post, you need concentration for these tracking abilities. Minato was busy at maintaining the kyubi seal, too much busy that he probably didn't even pay attention. All what was in his mind at that moment was waiting for his child.
Okay it looks like i have a bit of time to spare before i leave so why not
You have yet to answer this:
You claim obito has changed, however minato never once even tried to sense who is behind the mask but rather guess. Regardless of obito changing, if minato had atleast tried and failed then you could state this but when he never even tried but instead used a guess who it is strategy that spells it out loud. Using the excuse of minato being busy with something else is to an extent viable but not an absolute one.
Thanks. We've seen Minato able to detect the number of enemys. Now i've just posted a traduction that clearly hints that. I don't know which manga page do you want now to make it more clearer. It's never said that Ino for example is a sensor typ, but what if i tell you that she is?
Btw the ability to transfer chakra doesn't mean he is a sensor. Dan, katsuyu, Tsunade, samahada have all done something similar and none are sensor's. Lol at ino being a sensor, but by all means tell me how.
The true meaning of a sensor it something that it seems still baffles many whilst its clear if you look at the sensing feats of karin, mu, sm naruto and zetsu.
Many ninja's might have sensing or tracking ability but that mean that they qualify as sensors.
Ive already noted a couple above, but ill give you another. Gaara. He has shown a technique when he uses his sand to an extent sense mu, however he doesn't belong in the category of sensor's either.
Similarly Hiruzen uses Tomegane no Jutsu. However that is a more impressive feats and he doesn't qualify as a sensor either
NINJUTSU; Toomegane no jutsu (Telescopic Observation technique*)
User: Sandaime
Supplementary; Long range; Rank: A
Main text
A jutsu that uses a crystal ball to track a particular individual anywhere they are. There are a few restrictions about the person that is subjected to pursuit. The caster must know that person's chakra pattern. If someone can be targeted for pursuit, they may be miles and miles far away, the crystal ball will be able to confirm their position. As this jutsu is unfallible for intelligence purposes, Sandaime Hokage uses it to maintain public order in the village.
Caption
-The unfathomable clairvoyance that sees everything without obstruction.
Picture comment
-If the targeted individual is inside the village of Konoha, they will be observable even on top of a mountain or in the middle of the ocean.
Databook 1, p 210
Your evidence are in no shape or form absolute.
I really need to dismantle some body's heart in a game so ill take my leave.
If you had stronger arguments i might've postponed it, but you really do not
Yeah a sensor typ can sense it sure but only when he is concentrated. Or can you explain me how Ao, Shee or Danzo's bodyguard weren't able to detect white Zetsu when he directly came infront of them during the kage summit? A concentration is needed. When you are aware of something. Minato on the other hand had all his concentration in maintaining Kyubi's seal on Kushina, on waiting to be father, obviously in these cases, you don't pay much attention. There are plenty other examples where you can see even sensor typ not detecting a thing, and all that happen when they are not concentrated in their sensing abilities at all. Beside sensor, there is even Sharingan. Remember Sharingan can detect chakra. Kakashi has Sharingan and knew Obito's chakra, yet he never noticed Tobi was Obito. Like Ao never noticed Shisui's chakra in Danzo, only until he used his Byakugan accurately
um if I remember correctly, no one was able to truly sense Zetsu's presence in this war, not even senor types, expect for Naruto (i don't know why). Minato was having to concentrate, along with his wife to seal the Kyubi, but he obvious was caution of his surroundings, having a barrier, anbu and etc. In this situation, it seems like a threat could have appeared at anytime and he had this in the back of his mind. Ao's feat wasn't a sensing ability. Kakashi isn't a senor type, he wasn't familiar with any of the additional charka's implanted into Tobi and knew of his as a child. Kakashi's ability to know this was Obito slim to none, he was only familiar with what he had recently encountered. However, Minato (if he was a senor type) was familiar with Obito chakra (wasn't that long age) and should have sensed multiple chakra's, rather than debating is it was Madara.
You claim obito has changed, however minato never once even tried to sense who is behind the mask but rather guess. Regardless of obito changing, if minato had atleast tried and failed then you could state this but when he never even tried but instead used a guess who it is strategy that spells it out loud. Using the excuse of minato being busy with something else is to an extent viable but not an absolute one.
What you ask me it's as if i asked you why Nagato didn't sense Obito's chakra during all those years? Why in all the ninja world, not even one tried to see if Obito was a liar while mentioning he is Madara or not? Btw concerning Nagato, we never knew he was a sensor even after his death, right?
Btw the ability to transfer chakra doesn't mean he is a sensor. Dan, katsuyu, Tsunade, samahada have all done something similar and none are sensor's. Lol at ino being a sensor, but by all means tell me how.
Not the point. Like i've said, to be able to change your chakra to adapt it to another person's specific chakra type., you will most likely need to know the person's chakra typ anyway. When Dan or whatever people you mention send chakra to the opponent, they don't try to adapt it to another person's specific chakra type. Only Minato and Naruto now have been mentioned to do that
For Ino being a sensor, i would tell you to watch again the fight against Kakuzu and Hidan. This link may help you to understand some hiding abilities from Yamanaka clan:
um if I remember correctly, no one was able to truly sense Zetsu's presence in this war, not even senor types, expect for Naruto (i don't know why). Minato was having to concentrate, along with his wife to seal the Kyubi, but he obvious was caution of his surroundings, having a barrier, anbu and etc. In this situation, it seems like a threat could have appeared at anytime and he had this in the back of his mind. Ao's feat wasn't a sensing ability. Kakashi isn't a senor type, he wasn't familiar with any of the additional charka's implanted into Tobi and knew of his as a child. Kakashi's ability to know this was Obito slim to none, he was only familiar with what he had recently encountered. However, Minato (if he was a senor type) was familiar with Obito chakra (wasn't that long age) and should have sensed multiple chakra's, rather than debating is it was Madara.
No, it's not that they weren't able to sense Zetsu. It's only that Zetsu has a capacity to copy chakra of some individual just by touching him once. It doesn't mean the chakra doesn't exist at all. So no, they should have detect him
No, it's not that they weren't able to sense Zetsu. It's only that Zetsu has a capacity to copy chakra of some individual just by touching him once. It doesn't mean the chakra doesn't exist at all. So no, they should have detect him
Recent release says otherwise
Regardless the traduction, like i've said, to be able to change your chakra to adapt it to another person's specific chakra type., you will most likely need to know the person's chakra typ anyway and for that you must be a sensor
Regardless the traduction, like i've said, to be able to change your chakra to adapt it to another person's specific chakra type., you will most likely need to know the person's chakra typ anyway and for that you must be a sensor
A jutsu that uses a crystal ball to track a particular individual anywhere they are. There are a few restrictions about the person that is subjected to pursuit. The caster must know that person's chakra pattern. If someone can be targeted for pursuit, they may be miles and miles far away, the crystal ball will be able to confirm their position. As this jutsu is unfallible for intelligence purposes, Sandaime Hokage uses it to maintain public order in the village.
Look at bolded...Hiruzen has looked at naruto, kakashi etc in the ball already.. meaning he knows their chakra type and pattern.. is he a sensor.. now..
Okay it looks like i have a bit of time to spare before i leave so why not
You have yet to answer this:
You claim obito has changed, however minato never once even tried to sense who is behind the mask but rather guess. Regardless of obito changing, if minato had atleast tried and failed then you could state this but when he never even tried but instead used a guess who it is strategy that spells it out loud. Using the excuse of minato being busy with something else is to an extent viable but not an absolute one.
Just to play the devils advocate here, maybe Minato tried but didnt recognize Tobi's chakra because it had changed so much so he resorted to guessing instead?
Well eve since the Kakashi Gaiden I've always believed that Minato was a sensor. If I am not mistaken Minato has said that the marking on the FTG Kunai alerts him, and that's why he teleported to save Kakashi in the first place, Also when he was teleporting Kurama's TBB he said he needs to be careful about teleporting it because of the magnitude of that attack now how does he know where to teleport it if he wasn't a sensor in the first place.
One could say his finger tech as a tracking tech but the things written above clearly do not belong to tracking criteria! They are sensor type techs!
AJPN had made a great thread about it and he'd explained about it by using the Yin-Yang partition Minato did!
Also Naruto is a sensor but he can't sense a thing if he isn't in SM or KM[for -ve feelings]. Karin also didn't sense Tobi unless she saw him and even she never understood his naturetype! Basically she should've known that Obito is a half white-rapist but she didn't rather she couldn't that tell us something about Obito! He can evade even the most skilled sensors! SM Naruto also failed to recognize the relation between Obito,Yamato,Danzo and the WS.
To summarize - Minato didn't sense Tobi unless he attacked him and guessed his Identity rather than chakra type because that's not possible. Obito, Zetsu and other WS infected bastards are so skilled that no one can sense them! [KM Naruto can sense the feeling that's all]
