Whose sacrifice is better? Minato's or Itachi's?

[CopyCatNinja]

itachi

 

[Dribbles]

Itachi would have had the bigger burden because he completely failed With Sasuke. But he prevented a war between the Uchiha and Konoha that couldve potentially destroyed the village. He slaughtered his entire clan without hesitation and tortured his little brother, then went to live his life as a S-Class Criminal hunted down by his own comrades. Itachi wins imo.

Its not to say Minato didnt sacrifice anything either. His foresight literally saved the shinobi world, or it will soon enough. He sacrificed his wife, himself, but the big point is whos saving the world right now? Obvious answer.

Imo Itachi made a bigger sacrifice but the results were shit.

Minato made a smaller sacrifice and saved the Shinobi world.

This thread has been made several times before. GTFO.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Well let's tally up the sacrifice score.

Minato:

1. Defeated Tobi (technically he did, as he made Tobi flee, even if Tobi is still alive, plus removed his arm which means no jutsu). This removed the immediate threat Tobi posed to the village. +1

2. Stopped the Kyuubi which could probably destroy Konoha in the same way Pain did by using a big ass Bijuu Ball. Imagine if the Kyuubi let THIS loose on Konoha...

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+1

3. Minato felt that Naruto would be the Child of Prophecy, thus giving him the tools to defeat Tobi. +1

4. Failed to defeat the Nine-Tails, but seeing as it is an immortal entity that can revive, he did what he could anyway by sealing it into Naruto (removing the threat it caused at that moment) because having it die within Kushina would have given Tobi another opportunity to steal it. +1

A. Do not forget that Tobi is so insightful that not only did he know Kushina was pregnant, but he knew the date, time, and location of her birth. He also knew what to do with the barrier and had this all orchestrated, so to say that he couldn't have had another opportunity to steal the Kyuubi isn't a stretch at all.

Itachi:

1. Prevented a Fourth Ninja World War +1

A. Do not forget that the Kyuubi could have caused AS much if not MORE devastation to Konoha than the Uchiha clan could. Kurama has shown techniques capable of seriously ****ing up a village, whereas only a select few Uchiha like Sasuke, Itachi, and Madara have been able to do large scale ninjutsu such as Kirin, Amaterasu, and the Meteor technique. The Uchiha clan are incredible, but haven't shown techniques capable of obliterating a village, MEANING that Kurama could have likely been the cause for other villages to invade as well and cause another war.

As Itachi was on Konoha's side, he wouldn't be a threat to the village. Madara is dead and wasn't around at the time the Kyuubi attacked Konoha 16 years before the start of the series, and Sasuke back then couldn't do anything seeing as he was an infant (LOL AT FANS WHO WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT ONE!).

Also, Itachi was young at the time and didn't have MS as well, so you mean to tell me a dead Madara was a threat at the time?

2. Sent Sasuke on a spur of revenge against Konoha, and gave him the tools to do it -1.

3. Possibly a double-agent for Akatsuki and MAYBE Jiraiya's informant of their movements. +1

EDIT: 4. Itachi also gave Tobi a BIG-ASS TOOL to use in the war by giving Sasuke MS which resulted in him getting EMS and POSSIBLY the Rinnegan later. -1.

So Minato has 4 points and Itachi has none.

 

[princeharris]

I personally think itachi's sacrifice is better than minato's. Killing an entire clan is better than killing himself or sacrificing himself along with his wife. Though minato is the savior he was selfish coz he wanted his son to be acknowledged as hero by the village. The similarities between both are both have sacrificed for the village and for their loved one.

WTF IS THIS? WTF! Really? Just because Itachi killed his ENTIRE CLAN (Innocent Women & Children as well!), it means his sacrifice is greater?
GTFO!
Minato Sacrificed HIMSELF for the sake and survival of ALL OF KONAHA, INCLUDING ALL THE UCHIHA who Itachi would LATER KILL OFF!

Itachi - So called "sacrificed" his Entire Clan so War wouldn't start between His Clan and Konaha.

Minato - Truely Sacrificed HIS OWN LIFE for the Sake and Survival of His son Naruto (By jumping in front of Kuramas Claw with Kushina Helping Too!) by Relieving Duty of the Nine Tailed Fox from Tobi and Sealing half of its chakra away at the COST of HIS OWN LIFE, Saving the Entire Village of Konaha (Even the (possibly) hundreds of innocent Men, Women and Children that Itachi would later kill off for due to a dozen people (maybe) evil people in his clan)

Last time I checked:
An Entire Village (Hundreds of people from over almost 10 clans or maybe more)

IS MUCH GREATER THAN:

1 Clan (Consisting of a hundred or so people possibly more or less, give or take)

AND YET YOU SAY:

I personally think itachi's sacrifice is better than minato's. Killing an entire clan is better than killing himself or sacrificing himself along with his wife. Though minato is the savior he was selfish coz he wanted his son to be acknowledged as hero by the village. The similarities between both are both have sacrificed for the village and for their loved one.

To that sir, I say:

You must of been smoking that Really Good Stuff if you expect me to believe your opinion.

But the real answer only Kishimoto has, so to that I say good day my good sir! because you Fail! :flaw:

And I'm a Certified G :scorps: <(Got Something to Say?)

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

WTF IS THIS? WTF! Really? Just because Itachi killed his ENTIRE CLAN (Innocent Women & Children as well!), it means his sacrifice is greater?
GTFO!
Minato Sacrificed HIMSELF for the sake and survival of ALL OF KONAHA, INCLUDING ALL THE UCHIHA who Itachi would LATER KILL OFF!

Itachi - So called "sacrificed" his Entire Clan so War wouldn't start between His Clan and Konaha.

Minato - Truely Sacrificed HIS OWN LIFE for the Sake and Survival of His son Naruto (By jumping in front of Kuramas Claw with Kushina Helping Too!) by Relieving Duty of the Nine Tailed Fox from Tobi and Sealing half of its chakra away at the COST of HIS OWN LIFE, Saving the Entire Village of Konaha (Even the (possibly) hundreds of innocent Men, Women and Children that Itachi would later kill off for due to a dozen people (maybe) evil people in his clan)

Last time I checked:
An Entire Village (Hundreds of people from over almost 10 clans or maybe more)

IS MUCH GREATER THAN:

1 Clan (Consisting of a hundred or so people possibly more or less, give or take)

AND YET YOU SAY:



To that sir, I say:

You must of been smoking that Really Good Stuff if you expect me to believe your opinion.

But the real answer only Kishimoto has, so to that I say good day my good sir! because you Fail! :flaw:

And I'm a Certified G :scorps: <(Got Something to Say?)

I don't want to get into it with the other dude, but this was a hilarious read whether I agree with you or not. Thumbs up!

PS. To the bold part- I have some trees grown by the First Hokage if anybody is down.

 

[Jayaraman MinatoItachi]

This is my first thread in base and now it is turned out to be a flame thread (Itachi's fanboys vs minato's fanboys)

Why i told itachi's sacrifice is better than minato is because he has suffered lot of pain compared to minato.

here,
minato's pain killing his wife = itachi's pain killing his lover

minato's pain killing himself <<<<<<<<<<<<< itachi's pain killing his mother and father

minato's pain making naruto jinchuruki is compensated by assuming naruto will take control over kyuubi and become hero of the village just like him.

minato became hero <<<<<<<<<< itachi became criminal

Anyway i like both of them. They are my top 2 favorite characters in naruto

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

This is my first thread in base and now it is turned out to be a flame thread (Itachi's fanboys vs minato's fanboys)

Why i told itachi's sacrifice is better than minato is because he has suffered lot of pain compared to minato.

here,
minato's pain killing his wife = itachi's pain killing his lover

minato's pain killing himself <<<<<<<<<<<<< itachi's pain killing his mother and father

minato's pain making naruto jinchuruki is compensated by assuming naruto will take control over kyuubi and become hero of the village just like him.

minato became hero <<<<<<<<<< itachi became criminal

Anyway i like both of them. They are my top 2 favorite characters in naruto

You should have asked whose sacrifice caused more pain then.

The "better" sacrifice was Minato's, seeing as Minato's sacrifice is saving the whole shinobi world.

The more "painful" sacrifice was Itachi's, seeing as he had to kill his family and lover, whereas Minato had a shinobi wife who was willing to die and a son who keeps looking forward.

 

[torosi]

i have to say itachi because minato's sacrifice was a momentary solution (the problem continued and put his son i harms way many times)while itachi planned out almost every step following his sacrifice and continued to protect the village even when he was the most hated/feared person in the leaf village. its more of a sacrifice all your loved ones (not including sasuke) and become hated by the people you tried to protect.. a great man once said "the greatest acts of heroism are the ones not seen"

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

i have to say itachi because minato's sacrifice was a momentary solution (the problem continued and put his son i harms way many times)while itachi planned out almost every step following his sacrifice and continued to protect the village even when he was the most hated/feared person in the leaf village. its more of a sacrifice all your loved ones (not including sasuke) and become hated by the people you tried to protect.. a great man once said "the greatest acts of heroism are the ones not seen"

Yes, but you have to think that while Minato put his son in constant danger, he also constantly saved him in ways. Almost all ninja would fall before the power of the Kyuubi if Naruto were to use it. He also put a safeguard in Naruto's seal to prevent him from fully transforming.

Itachi actually put Konoha in danger by giving Sasuke the tools to destroy it. It technically would be possible to destroy Konoha with Amaterasu if he were to position himself on, say, the Hokage Monument and have it burn everywhere since the flames just go on where he is focusing.

 

[torosi]

Yes, but you have to think that while Minato put his son in constant danger, he also constantly saved him in ways. Almost all ninja would fall before the power of the Kyuubi if Naruto were to use it. He also put a safeguard in Naruto's seal to prevent him from fully transforming.

Itachi actually put Konoha in danger by giving Sasuke the tools to destroy it. It technically would be possible to destroy Konoha with Amaterasu if he were to position himself on, say, the Hokage Monument and have it burn everywhere since the flames just go on where he is focusing.

you cant blame itachi for what sasukes done. he only left the village to become stronger so he can kill itachi not to attack the leaf but tobi screwed sasukes mind up to the point that sasuke disregarded itachis wishes. itachi had everything planned out but tobi throw a rench in his plans.

 

[themalaysia2222]

Discussion :

Minato sacrificed his life and saved Konoha's prosperity. But at the same time, he put Naruto in a dangerous situation. Naruto has gone through his hard life without his parents (or at least a father who was supposed to be there for him). Naruto can transform into nine tails at anytime which will put Konoha at risk. Minato however overcame this by put a safeguard in Naruto's seal to prevent him from fully transforming,and also Kushina's chakra in order to meet Naruto in the future (to guide him oh well,you know how important a mother is).

But the problem is not only about Naruto's transformation, Akatsuki is also chasing Naruto which eventually led to a big disaster after Pein's invasion into Konoha. Tragic,wasn't it? Despite that, Minato has caused Naruto to be stronger (especially after he met Kushina). This will make Naruto a hero. He managed to defeat Pein,he even changed Pein's mind to revive back those who were dead (such as Kakashi). Not only Pein, Naruto will finally defeat Tobi and save the whole ninja world. In other words, Minato's sacrifice will save the whole world,not only Konoha.


As for Itachi,his sacrifice is more tragic compared to Minato. He had to kill his entire clan including his beloved parents and he had to stay alive to watch over Akatsuki and Sasuke. He is trapped behind the strife between Uchiha clan and Konoha,and had to make a choice between Uchiha or Konoha. Even the 3rd Hokage tried to negotiate but failed.

But before I proceed,I read someone's post. He/she said Itachi killed innocent women. Is this true? If I'm not mistaken,all Uchiha joined the coup d'etat except Sasuke. In other words,those so-called innocent women are actually the same with his father and others uchiha who want to take over Konoha's government. Plus,Itachi was ordered to do so. Even if he didn't kill them, the elders will order others to do that anyway. Please don't tell me that Itachi can change that by negotiate,not all people are good in talking like Naruto. Just like what Kushina said,we've something we are good at and something we are not good at.

Let's proceed. His sacrifice prevented the war between Uchiha and Konoha which will prevent the 3rd or 2nd world war. Great. However,his beloved young brother eventually became a criminal,joined Akatsuki and even planned to destroy Konoha which finally put Konoha at risk. However,Itachi tried to overcome this and met Naruto. He put the kotoamatsukami crow into Naruto's body,hoping Naruto will meet Sasuke and activate it. But in the end,the crow is used for Edo-Itachi.

The worst thing Itachi did was,he told Sasuke about the darkness. He wanted Sasuke to hate him and become stronger. But to put someone into the darkness will not help it but dragged Sasuke to be an avenger. In other words,Itachi also 'destroyed' Sasuke's teenager life. (Well,in Naruto manga 582,even Itachi admitted it,he failed).However,although Sasuke has became a criminal and killed Danzou,we can't say his sacrifice turned to a complete s**t yet. If you looked at the old chapters where Danzou became the 6th Hokage,it seemed as if people don't really like it (you can look at their expressions). Plus,Sasuke hasn't destroyed Konoha yet.

If Sasuke (and Edo-Itachi) managed to stop the Edo Tensei,there will be a possibility where (few) people will forgive him. It's just matter of Sasuke's viewpoint over Konoha. IMO,Sasuke will never destroy Konoha,it won't happen (for some reason and from some theories that I believe).

Conclusion :

Minato's sacrifice isn't too painful like Itachi. However Minato's sacrifice has saved Konoha and will save the entire Ninja world. As for Itachi,his sacrifice is unbeatable. However,it turned to be half worthless when Sasuke became a criminal. But in this matter,we've to wait for a few months to see whether Itachi's sacrifice will be a complete failure or not. To answer the question,Itachi's sacrifice is the most painful.

[My favourite characters are Minato and Itachi -not arranged in order- I was trying to discuss this equally. And I'm sorry for my poor grammar :'( ]

 

[Chatte]

Has anyone thought at their pain as a parent to leave your child orphan? Not comparing any other stuff that they both done, just this one...

In the end, even if it was only for Itachi and it was all hate, Sasuke still had someone, but Naruto had no one...

So it's pretty damn hard... to have to kill yourself and leaving behind you a new-born baby, your own son... It's pretty harsh..

 

[TrollingSage]

Dont mean to be rude but naruto's sacrifice of giving up ramen for 2 years just to train was the greatest sacrifice of none time:scorps:

 

[Jayaraman MinatoItachi]

Dont mean to be rude but naruto's sacrifice of giving up ramen for 2 years just to train was the greatest sacrifice of none time:scorps:

you are the real troll ever..... ur name tells that too

 

[themalaysia2222]

Has anyone thought at their pain as a parent to leave your child orphan? Not comparing any other stuff that they both done, just this one...

In the end, even if it was only for Itachi and it was all hate, Sasuke still had someone, but Naruto had no one...

So it's pretty damn hard... to have to kill yourself and leaving behind you a new-born baby, your own son... It's pretty harsh..

I was thinking of the same thing :'( Minato had to leave his son alone,his first son. He knew Naruto will have a hard life,yet he sacrificed his life for the sake of others and his son. But just like Itachi,he had to leave his beloved young brother alone and the worst was,he had to make Sasuke hate him.

 

[UzumakiZoey]

itachi had a nobler sacrifice. he had to live with the fact that he murdered his whole clan and that he has a little brother that he left alone and whom he has hurt deeply. this for me is the greatest sacrifice.