Tsunade vs Muu

[RedRobin]

People underrate Tsunade so bad. She blitzed Madara, after all.

Which is true yet we are turning it into a joke here.

She didnt blitz but she still got a hit in.

 

[KidGamer65]

Which is true yet we are turning it into a joke here.

Wow...another comment to add on the wall of fail. .

 

[Sin of Wrath]

Tsunade can punch as fast as Minato can teleport, feel sorry for this Mu Niguh.

Lmaoo

 

[RedRobin]

Wow...another comment to add on the wall of fail. .

How does it fail? She straight got a hit on him like any hokage would. Lets stop this BS like Tsunade is so beneath any of them. Tsunade is the only one who moved from her spott while the rest of the gokage were in the same place.

She was the hokage and a sannin of course she would get a hit on him.

 

[KidGamer65]

How does it fail? She straight got a hit on him like any hokage would.

Landing a hit=/=Blitzing Madara. Not to mention she hit a clone.

Lets stop this BS like Tsunade is so beneath any of them.

Never said that she was. Let's not get overly defensive for absolutely no reason.

Tsunade is the only one who moved from her spott while the rest of the gokage were in the same place.

She was the hokage and a sannin of course she would get a hit on him.

Lol. With arguments like the above, you can't get upset when people don't take what you say seriously.

 

[RedRobin]

Landing a hit=/=Blitzing Madara. Not to mention she hit a clone.



Never said that she was. Let's not get overly defensive for absolutely no reason.





Lol. With arguments like the above, you can't get upset when people don't take what you say seriously.

Ok she didnt blitz him. And point? That clone was giving problem fot the gokage. So it's impressive.

But you still act like she is.

What was wrong with my argument? A lot you don't see Tsunade as a strong character which is why you cant see her landing a hit on Madara but again she was the hokage and a sannin so its only logical she would get a hit in as any hokage would.

 

[King Kendrick]

Muu neg diff

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok she didnt blitz him. And point? That clone was giving problem fot the gokage. So it's impressive.

As an individual feat? Not really. Madara had to use a clone because of the GOKAGE's combined efforts. He was pressured, and it wasn't by her.

And my point is obviously that she didn't blitz him.

But you still act like she is.

How? Lol.

What was wrong with my argument? A lot you don't see Tsunade as a strong character which is why you cant see her landing a hit on Madara but again she was the hokage and a sannin so its only logical she would get a hit in as any hokage would.

1. Being a Sannin doesn't mean you can land a hit on Madara.

2. Being a Hokage doesn't mean you can land a hit on Madara, especially since the Hokage aren't all on the same level.

3. Moving while the others didn't imply little as the only one who even attempted to counter was Mei, as that is her job. So at best she outsped Mei, who isn't even fast to begin with.

4. She never got a hit in btw.

 

[RedRobin]

As an individual feat? Not really. Madara had to use a clone because of the GOKAGE's combined efforts. He was pressured, and it wasn't by her.

And my point is obviously that she didn't blitz him.



How? Lol.



1. Being a Sannin doesn't mean you can land a hit on Madara.

2. Being a Hokage doesn't mean you can land a hit on Madara, especially since the Hokage aren't all on the same level.

3. Moving while the others didn't imply little as the only one who even attempted to counter was Mei, as that is her job. So at best she outsped Mei, who isn't even fast to begin with.

4. She never got a hit in btw.

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I am talking about this not when he used a Katon on them. She obviously does get a hit on him by herself, Madara tried to dodge as shown by him moving back, its an individual feat because the rest of the gokage have stood back. Nothing else happened as Dan/Chouza conversation took seconds and the events probably took place at the same time as the panel were mixed together.

By thinking she cant land a hit on Madara herself, you never said it but I know thats how you think by the way you rate her abilities.

I am not saying being a hokage or sannin means you get a hit on Madara, I am saying that for you guys who dont see Tsunade individually getting a hit on Madara because you dont see her as a strong character, the manga states otherwise. She is hyped to be unmatched in CQC, she was hokage and sannin so yes its perfectly logical to see her getting a hit on Madara, that is my point.

 

[KidGamer65]

I am talking about this not when he used a Katon on them. She obviously does get a hit on him by herself, Madara tried to dodge as shown by him moving back, its an individual feat because the rest of the gokage have stood back. Nothing else happened as Dan/Chouza conversation took seconds and the events probably took place at the same time as the panel were mixed together.

That is a clone. Lol. I never even mentioned the whole Katon thing. Hitting a clone is not the same as hitting the real Madara, obviously. Inb4 that isn't a clone.

And Lol, what in the world are you reading? He is being pushed back because Tsunade punched him right in the chest, not because hee tried to dodge. Then it doesn't change the fact that he swapped out with a clone so he could land a surprise hit when he saw that they were off guard.

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The Gokage put him in a position where he could be hit, thus he swapped out with a clone. Unless you are actually crazy enough to believe Tsunade can pressure the guy who solo'd the Gokage on her own, then there is no debate. Tsunade says that Madara was able to outwit them, but at the same time, was cornered by them thus had to escape. Obviously not an individual effort. Them standing back only means that they weren't the ones attacking at that moment in time. You have no clue what happened off panel, but it was obviously something that let them corner Madara, and Tsunade obviously isn't strong enough to do that herself.

By thinking she cant land a hit on Madara herself, you never said it but I know thats how you think by the way you rate her abilities.

So me not thinking she can tag the second strongest character aside from God Tiers means that I think she is weak? Lol. Stop being so defensive and accusing me of things I never said or implied. It's annoying.

I am not saying being a hokage or sannin means you get a hit on Madara, I am saying that for you guys who dont see Tsunade individually getting a hit on Madara because you dont see her as a strong character, the manga states otherwise. She is hyped to be unmatched in CQC, she was hokage and sannin so yes its perfectly logical to see her getting a hit on Madara, that is my point.

No. Tsunade not being able to hit Madara means that she's far weaker than him. It doesn't mean that she is weak. Please don't group me with the people who make claims I never made.

And your point makes no sense. So she can land a direct hit on the guy who solo'd the Gokage with ease because she is hyped to be unmatchable in CQC? Because she's the Hokage and the Sannin? Lol. Titles mean just about jack when up against someone of Madara's level.

 

[RedRobin]

That is a clone. Lol. I never even mentioned the whole Katon thing. Hitting a clone is not the same as hitting the real Madara, obviously. Inb4 that isn't a clone.

3. Moving while the others didn't imply little as the only one who even attempted to counter was Mei, as that is her job. So at best she outsped Mei, who isn't even fast to begin with.

4. She never got a hit in btw.

You mentioned it right here. Yes a clone that was giving trouble to the gokage.

Also its total BS, its not Tsunade's job to handle fire either yet she moved before any gokage member. Ay could have easily moved out of the way, Gaara's sand could have been used, Rock wall from Onoki. She reacted faster than the other gokage memebers.

And Lol, what in the world are you reading? He is being pushed back because Tsunade punched him right in the chest, not because hee tried to dodge. Then it doesn't change the fact that he swapped out with a clone so he could land a surprise hit when he saw that they were off guard.

What, this is exactly what I am talking about 'he is being pushed back because Tsunade punched him' what kinda excuse is that? How can even see the manga that way? This is exactly what I mean when I say you underrate.

Look at his body language tense, arms up, body leaning back as if he is moving back. Tsunade was punching through him anyway so she obviously wasnt pushing his body back. She hardly touched him yet his hair is swinging forward already. We see papers flowing before we even see Tsunade touching him, he was obviously moving back....

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The Gokage put him in a position where he could be hit, thus he swapped out with a clone. Unless you are actually crazy enough to believe Tsunade can pressure the guy who solo'd the Gokage on her own, then there is no debate. Tsunade says that Madara was able to outwit them, but at the same time, was cornered by them thus had to escape. Obviously not an individual effort. Them standing back only means that they weren't the ones attacking at that moment in time. You have no clue what happened off panel, but it was obviously something that let them corner Madara, and Tsunade obviously isn't strong enough to do that herself.

Madara obviously did not solo the gokage with CQC. So her being able to hit him in CQC is perfectly logical seeing as how she has a 5 in taijustu and is hyped to be unmatched in CQC. Nothing happened off panel, that is very clear Dan/Chouza conversation was happening simultaneously which is why the panels were mixed all together.

This right here is what I am talking about. You strip so much of Tsunade's feats as if they mean nothing at all. You say things like no way Tsunade's cornered him something must have happened off panel when there was no off panel as the events happened simultaneously. (Look at the viz I posted in the spoiler, no off panel) The events went together, its not like we had this whole battle with the 5 second talk between Dan and Chouza.

So me not thinking she can tag the second strongest character aside from God Tiers means that I think she is weak? Lol. Stop being so defensive and accusing me of things I never said or implied. It's annoying.

You thinking she cant take him in CQC is you underrating her abilities. You thinking she must have had help is you underrating her CQC abilities. Tsunade can definitely take Madara in CQC.

No. Tsunade not being able to hit Madara means that she's far weaker than him. It doesn't mean that she is weak. Please don't group me with the people who make claims I never made.

And your point makes no sense. So she can land a direct hit on the guy who solo'd the Gokage with ease because she is hyped to be unmatchable in CQC? Because she's the Hokage and the Sannin? Lol. Titles mean just about jack when up against someone of Madara's level.

Tsuande is of course far weaker than Madara but in CQC she can land a hit on him because once again she is hyped to be unmatched in CQC, that hype was shown in that sequence of panels not because she had all this help in her individually landing a hit on him.

 

[KidGamer65]

You mentioned it right here. Yes a clone that was giving trouble to the gokage.

Because you said she was the only Gokage to move from her spot, but I guess you were referring to when she punched Madara. Lol, my bad. And no, he swapped out with a clone at an undefined point in the battle. The Gokage was giving him trouble and that's why he used the clone. That clone wasn't giving them trouble.

Also its total BS, its not Tsunade's job to handle fire either yet she moved before any gokage member. Ay could have easily moved out of the way, Gaara's sand could have been used, Rock wall from Onoki. She reacted faster than the other gokage memebers.

Not gonna bother since I think Tsunade is faster than Base Ay and the rest.

What, this is exactly what I am talking about 'he is being pushed back because Tsunade punched him' what kinda excuse is that? How can even see the manga that way? This is exactly what I mean when I say you underrate.



Look at his body language tense, arms up, body leaning back as if he is moving back. Tsunade was punching through him anyway so she obviously wasnt pushing his body back. She hardly touched him yet his hair is swinging forward already. We see papers flowing before we even see Tsunade touching him, he was obviously moving back....

Amazing. Kishimoto really needs to draw the Manga clearer so fans can't take what happened and twist it around so they can give their fav another feat. Jesus Christ.

-His body is leaning backwards because he is being punched. Arms up and tense is a reaction to Tsunade punching him.

-Edo Paper is flying because he's been hit. How in the world would papers be flying around if he hasn't been hit, when edo paper doesn't come off the body in those quantities unless the Edo has taken damage? Lol.

-She hit him hard enough to form cracks on his body and create a small hole. That isn't "barely touching him". Nice try though, or not. Lol

Madara obviously did not solo the gokage with CQC. So her being able to hit him in CQC is perfectly logical seeing as how she has a 5 in taijustu and is hyped to be unmatched in CQC. Nothing happened off panel, that is very clear Dan/Chouza conversation was happening simultaneously which is why the panels were mixed all together.

Except Madara is not a pure CQC fighter, so I'm obviously not talking about Madara vs. Tsunade in CQC. I'm talking about Madara as a whole. And learn how to read the Manga. There is a gap between Madara staring at the Gokage, and Tsunade's fist in Madara's chest. Unless you are telling me nothing happened in between those events, which is impossible as we see Tsunade punching him, meaning there have to be events leading up to the punch, then something happened off panel. Not that hard to grasp.

And no, the panels are the same as any other panels. Whatever happened off screen is what was going on while Choza and Dan were talking.

This right here is what I am talking about. You strip so much of Tsunade's feats as if they mean nothing at all. You say things like no way Tsunade's cornered him something must have happened off panel when there was no off panel as the events happened simultaneously. (Look at the viz I posted in the spoiler, no off panel) The events went together, its not like we had this whole battle with the 5 second talk between Dan and Chouza.

Read above. This has been addressed. Just a repeat of the above, and more complaining, which is annoying. Lol.

You thinking she cant take him in CQC is you underrating her abilities. You thinking she must have had help is you underrating her CQC abilities. Tsunade can definitely take Madara in CQC.

Once again. I never said that. Madara isn't a pure CQC, or should I say, hand to hand fighter. Lol.

Tsuande is of course far weaker than Madara but in CQC she can land a hit on him because once again she is hyped to be unmatched in CQC, that hype was shown in that sequence of panels not because she had all this help in her individually landing a hit on him.

Please read above. This has been addressed. Then there's the fact that she didn't even hit Madara. She hit a clone that he purposely left for them to hit. So your argument literally means nothing. Lol. All you are doing is wasting your time.

 

[Tazzilla88]

While I enjoy defending Tsuna, there must at least be a decent shot at victory. Here there is none. She isn't a sensor, and even if she was Muu covers his chakra, goes invisible, and preps an attack. There isn't much Tsunade can do to alter the tides of this battle. Mu is simply a bad match up for her.

 

[V h o]

Perfect katsuya solos

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

While I enjoy defending Tsuna, there must at least be a decent shot at victory. Here there is none. She isn't a sensor, and even if she was Muu covers his chakra, goes invisible, and preps an attack. There isn't much Tsunade can do to alter the tides of this battle. Mu is simply a bad match up for her.

Didn't Tsunade hear Orochimaru's heartbeat, and was able to tell it was irregular?

 

[Tazzilla88]

Absolutely, the problem is if Muu is at a distance, if he's invisible why would he stay in range of a CQC expert, when ninjutsu is his forte?

 

[FemmeFatale]

While I enjoy defending Tsuna, there must at least be a decent shot at victory. Here there is none. She isn't a sensor, and even if she was Muu covers his chakra, goes invisible, and preps an attack. There isn't much Tsunade can do to alter the tides of this battle. Mu is simply a bad match up for her.

Katsuyu is a sensor. And her hearing is pretty sensitive
So I think she would avoid it ,

 

[Tazzilla88]

Katsuyu is a sensor. And her hearing is pretty sensitive
So I think she would avoid it ,

Katsuyu is a sensor but Muu can hide his chakra. And as long as he doesn't try a close range attack Tsunade probably won't hear him. Of course he'd have to make his chakra reappear to use Jinton, but assuming Katsuyu isn't out when that happens Tsunade could be caught of offguard

 

[RedRobin]

Tsunade most definitely loses to Muu. Katsuyu really cant help here at all.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Very funny thread, I will also go with Moo.