Tsunade: Fan-fic vs Reality

[Gerkak]

but before that Killer B was demolished by that same guy while he had hachibi tails out also. And then you have after that where the raikage easily shrugged B away. XD

Never said it doesn't serve as an amplifier, however, he has natural strength...... Tsunade doesn't. He might use the Armor to enhance himself.. but despite that his normal natural strength is still superb, compared to Tsunade, who is like any other shinobi, unless she uses chakra control.

Fans claim: Tsunade has natural strength, Sakura does not. Though Tsunade's entire prowess regarding her strength is based on chakra control.

The thing is how are you sure, he doesn't use chakra to improve his strength even without the armor? Perhaps tsunade having better chakra control is the reason she appears stronger, but still nothing suggests he may not use chakra to improve his strength. Since all ninja do this.

Why I say tsunade has natural strength and not sakura is because tsunade has maxed out points(5/5) in the data book strength table, while sakura has a 3/5 which is even less than her teammates. Given this I can conclude Tsunade has higher physical strength than sakura.

 

[KingHashirama]

No, they gain greater distance splits/jumps & greater stop/start time sequences onto their shunshin technique

increased traction maybe, but that scene was never given any foundation or consistency. The best you could say, is that she used a poor/incomplete shunshin tech/hadn't mastered it yet.


yes, but dynamically, not mechanically

its a simple ninja tech.. similar to how Sakura and TSunade's punch is a simple generic technique.. but is OP due to their excellent chakra control.

It doesn't have any foundation? how so? focusing chakra on specific part increases the "strength" in that specific part. Sakura and Tsunade simply use that strength that is in their hands, to amplify their speed. Because speed is a result of strength. Strength enhances speed as we already know.

The thing is how are you sure, he doesn't use chakra to improve his strength even without the armor? Perhaps tsunade having better chakra control is the reason she appears stronger, but still nothing suggests he may not use chakra to improve his strength. Since all ninja do this.

Why I say tsunade has natural strength and not sakura is because tsunade has maxed out points(5/5) in the data book strength table, while sakura has a 3/5 which is even less than her teammates. Given this I can conclude Tsunade has higher physical strength than sakura.

Can't give Raikage what he has never shown. But you are more than welcome to believe that Tsunade's "natural strength" is on the level of Raikage.

Tsunade has 5/5 yea, because the strength of that Tsunade is superior to the Sakura used in the databook, when she was focusing part of her chakra on the yin seal.

 

[super yang]

its a simple ninja tech.. similar to how Sakura and TSunade's punch is a simple generic technique.. but is OP due to their excellent chakra control.

no, U just made that up. the medics use compression(''focusing'') & combustion of chakra portions in an acute space(the point of their knuckles & heels).

it is not similar to shunshin, Ur just pretending that U can bend the fiction because they are both essentially ''body techniques''.
I know better...

IT doesn't have any foundation? how so? focusing chakra on specific part increases the "strength" in that specific part. Sakura and Tsunade simply use that strength that is in their hands, to amplify their speed. Because speed is a result of strength. Strength enhances speed as we already know.

No it doesn't.
you're just perverting the loose definitions of shunshin again, semantic play.
(and I hear people say stuff like this all the time, but a myth is a myth)

 

[maniaoqan]

She has no natural strength.
It is all chakra enhanced strength. Its been misunderstood obviously. But who doesn't use chakra to enchance their strength ? She only does it better.

 

[super yang]

She has no natural strength.
It is all chakra enhanced strength. Its been misunderstood obviously. But who doesn't use chakra to enchance their strength ? She only does it better.

you mean who does use chakra to enhance their athleticism.

nobody does, unless they have a ''power-up''

if there were such a thing as true universal chakra enhancement, sakura would have tanked omois kick & batted him away, regardless of her reaction time.

 

[RedRobin]

She has no natural strength.
It is all chakra enhanced strength. Its been misunderstood obviously. But who doesn't use chakra to enchance their strength ? She only does it better.

There is no such thing as chakra enhanced strength. If anything it should be called chakra enhanced punch. She has natural strength.

 

[super yang]

There is no such thing as chakra enhanced strength. If anything it should be called chakra enhanced punch. She has natural strength.

but old myths will die hard, very veeeeeery hard~

 

[Gerkak]

Can't give Raikage what he has never shown. But you are more than welcome to believe that Tsunade's "natural strength" is on the level of Raikage.

Tsunade has 5/5 yea, because the strength of that Tsunade is superior to the Sakura used in the databook, when she was focusing part of her chakra on the yin seal.

We are talking about natural strength, sakura focusing her chakra to create the yin seal should only affect her chakra and not her natural strength. Tsunade has superior natural strength unless proven otherwise

 

[KingHashirama]

no, U just made that up. the medics use compression(''focus'ing'') & combustion of chakra portions in an acute space(the point of their knuckles & heels).

it is not similar to shunshin, Ur just pretending that U can bend the fiction because they are both essentially ''body techniques''.
I know better...

No it doesn't.
you're just perverting the loose definitions of shunshin again, semantic play.
(and I hear people say stuff like this all the time, but a myth is a myth)

@Bold, scan..... since i made mines up, you should have a scan for that no?

It is similar to Shunshin, you are stating stuff without providing the fundamental difference between them. Shunshin is a technique where the chakra is used on the legs/feet to enhance it, to power them up to increase the movement speed. What Sakura showed in the chunin exams, and the quick speed she showed to avoid the Kaguya arm, all show that it is similar to shunshin.

You are simply denying what I'm saying without having an actual counter.



Is shunshin not focusing chakra on the legs to power them up and hence increasing the speed?

We are talking about natural strength, sakura focusing her chakra to create the yin seal should only affect her chakra and not her natural strength. Tsunade has superior natural strength unless proven otherwise

Chakra is the life force that powers a ninja. if part of that life force is not being normally used.. its only natural the strength will go down.

There is no such thing as chakra enhanced strength. If anything it should be called chakra enhanced punch. She has natural strength.

her kick/lift/jump and etc are all chakra enhanced. Sage mode is also chakra enhancement.

 

[super yang]

@Bold, scan..... since i made mines up, you should have a scan for that no?

the scan where they punch & kick stuff & create chara explosions/shockwaves... similarly to rasengan, not shunshin

It is similar to Shunshin, you are stating stuff without providing the fundamental difference between them. Shunshin is a technique where the chakra is used on the legs/feet to enhance it, to power them up to increase the movement speed. What Sakura showed in the chunin exams, and the quick speed she showed to avoid the Kaguya arm, all show that it is similar to shunshin.

You are simply denying what I'm saying without having an actual counter.

I can't counter your agenda, only give my opinions

Is shunshin not focusing chakra on the legs to power them up and hence increasing the speed?

all we've been told in the manga is that it is a ninjutsu, IIRC & that it involves the entire body.

 

[maniaoqan]

There is no such thing as chakra enhanced strength. If anything it should be called chakra enhanced punch. She has natural strength.

Did she lifted Bunta's knife with a punch ? No lifting something requires different muscles. All the while she is jumping and lifting that, so she isn't only enchaning her punches, she is capable of enchancing her different muscles as well. So it is appropriate to say it is chakra enchanced strength.

 

[ninjarasengan]

There is no such thing as chakra enhanced strength. If anything it should be called chakra enhanced punch. She has natural strength.

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This kinda insinuates that Chakra can be used for lifting

 

[KingHashirama]

the scan where they punch & kick stuff & create chara explosions/shockwaves.

I can't counter your agenda, only give my opinions





all we've been told in the manga is that it is a ninjutsu, IIRC & that it involves the entire body.

they haven't created any chakra explosions.. only dirt explosions..



Shunshin involves the entire body (despite its main focus being legs).. yes however it requires chakra control , if you believe the best chakra control users cannot use chakra to enhance specific parts.. while non-best chakra control users can use it to enhance their entire body.. then i don't know what to say.

 

[super yang]

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This kinda insinuates that Chakra can be used for lifting

No, it is firmly established that sage mode passively increases total physicality & athletic capability. No insinuation necessary. nature energy + chakra = profit.
that isn't what is being discussed here

the problem, is people thinking all body technique displays are homogenized mechanisms, juyst because chakra is present

 

[RedRobin]

Did she lifted Bunta's knife with a punch ? No lifting something requires different muscles. All the while she is jumping and lifting that, so she isn't only enchaning her punches, she is capable of enchancing her different muscles as well. So it is appropriate to say it is chakra enchanced strength.

CES is just releasing built up chakra in the fist at a certain point like an explosion. That cannot make her lift a gigantic sword.

 

[maniaoqan]

CES is just releasing built up chakra in the fist at a certain point like an explosion. That cannot make her lift a gigantic sword.

If it is limited to the fist how come her kicks are resulting the same effect ?

Like i said if she was only powering her hand she still wouldn't be able to lift that Giant Knife, her shoulder would've been broken in the process.

 

[RedRobin]

If it is limited to the fist how come her kicks are resulting the same effect ?

Like i said if she was only powering her hand she still wouldn't be able to lift that Giant Knife, her shoulder would've been broken in the process.

It's chakra build up in different places. Hand or foot, explosion can come from anywhere.

CES has nothing to do with lifting. Tsunade has natural strength.

 

[maniaoqan]

It's chakra build up in different places. Hand or foot, explosion can come from anywhere.

CES has nothing to do with lifting. Tsunade has natural strength.

Unless she grew her muscles inside, she doesn't possess inhuman natural strength.

 

[ninjarasengan]

No, it is firmly established that sage mode passively increases total physicality & athletic capability. No insinuation necessary. nature energy + chakra = profit.
that isn't what is being discussed here

the problem, is people thinking all body technique displays are homogenized mechanisms, juyst because chakra is present

I was specifically referring to Fuksaku telling Naruto to try lifting it with his "Ninja Chakra" this implies that normal chakra can be used for strength. My comment had nothing to do with Sage mode-_-

 

[RedRobin]

Unless she grew her muscles inside, she doesn't possess inhuman natural strength.

What does that even mean?

She was able to lift bunta's sword high up in the air, that is pure muscle. You can't accomplish that with just chakra.