THE WAR ON MEN: 10 Ways Masculinity is Under Attack

[Yubel]

That's disparaging local men.

Not all local men are wimps but alot of them are intimidated by immigrants.
There are exceptions to every rule though, don't take general claims at face value.

 

[PT1990]

That's disparaging local men.

Its sad, but true. Like I said, I was living in Sweden for about one year. Musculine men are becoming minority, especially if we are talking about guy in their teens or 20s.

 

[Avani]

Not all local men are wimps but alot of them are intimidated by immigrants.
There are exceptions to every rule though, don't take general claims at face value.

Interesting. So you take their hesitation on calling immigrants group out for their actions they don't like and accommodating them even if it means loss of local traditions as being intimidated? That's one way to look at it I guess...

Or do you mean they are scared of immigrants?

Its sad, but true. Like I said, I was living in Sweden for about one year. Musculine men are becoming minority, especially if we are talking about guy in their teens or 20s.

I am not sure how you define a masculine man so I have no idea what you mean there.

 

[PT1990]

I am not sure how you define a masculine man so I have no idea what you mean there.

I will give you some example. Some time ago I watched handball match between out polish team and team from Denmark. Match was very hard, becuase both are top teams, but in decisive time you could see much of sport, controlled agression in our guys. They were looking right into the eyes of their opponents with intimidarting expressions on their faces. How Denmark team reacted? They looked scared. They could not keep eye contact, they looked on the floor instead. Needless to say, our team won that night.

 

[Yubel]

Interesting. So you take their hesitation on calling immigrants group out for their actions they don't like and accommodating them even if it means loss of local traditions as being intimidated? That's one way to look at it I guess...

Or do you mean they are scared of immigrants?

Both actually, I'm not saying they should start oppressing immigrants(too late for that anyway) but they feel quite overwhelmed to where in the recent couple of years they've tried to strike back in passive-aggresive ways like insulting Islam, drawing pictures of Mohammed(pbuh) while claiming free speech.

 

[PT1990]

Both actually, I'm not saying they should start oppressing immigrants(too late for that anyway) but they feel quite overwhelmed to where in the recent couple of years they've tried to strike back in passive-aggresive ways like insulting Islam, drawing pictures of Mohammed(pbuh) while claiming free speech.

You know, I wouldnt be even surptised if Sweden became official muslim country with sharia law as state law in few decades. And its not only about masculity, its about birth rates. Swedish woman has 1, maybe 2 kids, while for muslim woman having 3+ kids is normal. Id Sweds let to be intimitaded now, when they are still majority, then lets imigine what will happen when they will be in minority.

 

[YowYan]

I was living in Sweden, Huddinge, Sageltorp near Stokholm for about one year (im originally from Poland, I came there to make some money) and well... its true. There are some places that swedish women wont dare to go, even in daylight.

Jenkuyen (I supervise around 50 polish people at my work ^^ awesome ppl. The girls are really flirty though)

Exactly. It's funny how masculinity and assertiveness are being praised. In my opinion, things like gentleness, feminine energy, passiveness and such are what defines strength. Not physical strength.( Albeit protecting your loved ones requires a male to be able to be depended on.) Not pride, culture, and a dominating personality. The Dutch culture is the best culture amongst it rich variety of cultures (Holland) why? Because the Dutch are very sober, neutral and passive in arguments and their thinking in general. And above all; women are right next to the men, not behind. Other cultures like Moroccan and Surinam are very assertive, loud mouthed, prideful and such. In the end; the one that is right is the one that responds in a way that negates negative energy, not escalates it seems in foreign, non-white-European cultures. And I'm not even white. Just partially Dutch. My simplified point is that foreign cultures produce more savages and women in general are seen and treated as lesser.

Metrosexuality and other feminine stuff should be glorified. The world would be a better place if homosexuals and generally feminine people ruled.

 

[Yubel]

You know, I wouldnt be even surptised if Sweden became official muslim country with sharia law as state law in few decades. And its not only about masculity, its about birth rates. Swedish woman has 1, maybe 2 kids, while for muslim woman having 3+ kids is normal. Id Sweds let to be intimitaded now, when they are still majority, then lets imigine what will happen when they will be in minority.

Feminist capital of the world governed by Sharia Law, that'd be funny. But yeah, I've heard that quite few times.

 

[Avani]

I will give you some example. Some time ago I watched handball match between out polish team and team from Denmark. Match was very hard, becuase both are top teams, but in decisive time you could see much of sport, controlled agression in our guys. They were looking right into the eyes of their opponents with intimidarting expressions on their faces. How Denmark team reacted? They looked scared. They could not keep eye contact, they looked on the floor instead. Needless to say, our team won that night.

So you were referring to 'aggressive attitude'. But if they had such an aggressive attitude would they have allowed immigrants in their country this easily in masses? Is lack of aggressiveness and not wishing to get in to unnecessary conflict really lack of actual masculinity?

Kagetora said he notices passive aggressiveness. So do you think it may stop being passive if the other side keep pressing? Or you think they are already incapable of it? How and why can you be sure of it? For it's not like only natives are using plastic too much.

 

[PT1990]

So you were referring to 'aggressive attitude'.

Not only. Its also about self confidence.

But if they had such an aggressive attitude would they have allowed immigrants in their country this easily in masses?

Probably not. And those who came would have to choose: either you assimilate, or you have to go back to your home country.

Is lack of aggressiveness and getting in to unnecessary conflict really lack of actual masculinity?

Some doze of agressivness in some cases is nothing bad if its controlled. Like in that match.

Or you think they are already incapable of it?

I think they are already incapable of it, although I would like to be wrong. Like I said in my previous post - I wouldnt be surprised if Sweden became official muslim country with sharia law as state law in few decades.

 

[Avani]

I think they are already incapable of it, although I would like to be wrong. Like I said in my previous post - I wouldnt be surprised if Sweden became official muslim country with sharia law as state law in few decades.

In that case it wouldn't be because of state trying to take total control of a weak society but by being stupid themselves and losing control..

The immigrant problem is probably less to do with feminizing the men but simple vote bank politics.

 

[PT1990]

In that case it wouldn't be because of state trying to take total control of a weak society but by being stupid themselves and losing control..

The immigrant problem is probably less to do with feminizing the men but simple vote bank politics.

I thinks its both. Goverment dont want society to be too strong, but also socialists, who are ruling Sweden are fighting for votes. Great majority of immigrants are voting for leftists. More immigrants - more votes.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

Good thread. I agree with all of your points. I hadn't thought of it before but it does make sense.

 

[Avani]

I thinks its both. Goverment dont want society to be too strong, but also socialists, who are ruling Sweden are fighting for votes. Great majority of immigrants are voting for leftists. More immigrants - more votes.

I wonder if they want society to be weak as a whole or just suppress those who may oppose their policies. That's hardly gender specific thing either..

And yea that's always the case with immigrants. Natives living in the country tend to vote on individual basis. They are often floating votes too. Immigrants vote as a community especially the ones where the influence of their religious or community leaders is quite strong. So they vote in a chunk and can be decisive voters even if in minority.

In a democracy minority rules.

 

[China IL]

This is so much bullshit. "Masculinity" is at stake? Gender roles are complete bullshit and just a poison to young's mind if you ask me. I think you should get out of the past dude, we don't talk about what a "real" man is in the 21st century.

 

[sasukesworld]

There's not really such a thing as "feminazi", they're all feminists.
They're all delusional.

Everything they reached so far turned out to be BS.

One of the biggest lies is that woman were oppressed. That's just not true. Feminism is one of the worst things that could happen to us.

 

[Avani]

There's not really such a thing as "feminazi", they're all feminists.
They're all delusional.

Everything they reached so far turned out to be BS.

One of the biggest lies is that woman were oppressed. That's just not true. Feminism is one of the worst things that could happen to us.

Let's not be so thankless. Your opinion on such topics wouldn't even matter much due to obvious lack of any standing because of being female, but for those feminists. No voting rights either. No say in policies or politics. ( few got chances and that was mostly because of family connection but lack of male heir at the time)

Without them you wouldn't have many chances of higher education, no right to property , not even inheritance from a dead husband in countries like Great Britain, less chances of a decent marriage without a dowry , no skill for most high paying jobs and would humbly be waiting upon more fortunate ladies who managed to secure a good husband with enough money.

And people would tell you knit next pair of socks, instead of posting on internet if you had free time.

That said- feminists are not an organized group of people who follow one set of thoughts. They do not always support each other. They never did. Some causes are common, some are individual thinking.

 

[China IL]

There's not really such a thing as "feminazi", they're all feminists.
They're all delusional.

Everything they reached so far turned out to be BS.

One of the biggest lies is that woman were oppressed. That's just not true. Feminism is one of the worst things that could happen to us.

You do understand that feminism works both ways right? Like, feminism is not the long fight for women's rights and acceptance in society, but also for a higher standards of the male. Feminism cannot be explained simply as "hating men" or "women's rights", but it is a diverse subject. But I would love to read your ideas on the matter, especially since you say women are not oppressed.

 

[Yubel]

You do understand that feminism works both ways right? Like, feminism is not the long fight for women's rights and acceptance in society, but also for a higher standards of the male. Feminism cannot be explained simply as "hating men" or "women's rights", but it is a diverse subject. But I would love to read your ideas on the matter, especially since you say women are not oppressed.

Name one thing feminism has improved for men.

 

[Avani]

Name one thing feminism has improved for men.

Their daughter's have a chance at getting a decent job instead of turning to the professions with high chances of exploitation and being an easier prey for pimps.

In case of their sudden death, their family doesn't necessary have to turn to richer relatives in hopes of a maintenance or struggle miserably to survive just because the other parent has little to no skill beyond her house.

She doesn't have to turn to a convent because she doesn't have any other place to go.

You don't have to always pay for the whole expenses of the family and look out for kid's education and outside responsibilities are shared too. Two earning members of family raise living standards of the family.

Other than it's like asking what did freeing slaves did for whites in USA.

Yea I know sharing power and letting someone join that space means the ruler has to sacrifice some privileges. But your daughters/other female family members are included in the group and most men who worked for feminine cause were the ones who saw the problems it leads to in the society and they wanted better for their family.