Six Pains vs Kage Duos

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These are full intel fights. Location is destroyed Konoha.


Teams:

Ay, Onoki
Gaara, Onoki
Onoki, Muu
Third Raikage, Ay
Muu, Third Raikage
Tsunade, Muu
Gaara, Third Raikage
Minato, Tobirama
Minato, Muu
Tobirama, Ay
Third Raikage, Hiruzen

Are there any teams that can win only if CST/CT is restricted?
 
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Ay, Onoki
Gaara, Onoki
Onoki, Muu
Third Raikage, Ay
Muu, Third Raikage
Tsunade, Muu
Gaara, Third Raikage
Minato, Tobirama
Minato, Muu
Tobirama, Ay
Third Raikage, Hiruzen

Pein loses to the bold. The pairs who are underlined, I'm not positive on.
 

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These are full intel fights. Location is destroyed Konoha.


Teams:

Ay, Onoki
Gaara, Onoki
Onoki, Muu
Third Raikage, Ay
Muu, Third Raikage
Tsunade, Muu
Gaara, Third Raikage
Minato, Tobirama
Minato, Muu
Tobirama, Ay
Third Raikage, Hiruzen

I assume the intel is manga.

He loses to the bolded.
 
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Are there any teams that can win only if CST or CT restricted?

I'd say that I might put the two Ay's as a winner if those two are restricted. But otherwise, things don't change all too much.

Forgot about the Gaara match ups. Without those two, I don't see Pein beating Gaara and his partners.
 

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I'd say that I might put the two Ay's as a winner if those two are restricted. But otherwise, things don't change all too much.

Forgot about the Gaara match ups. Without those two, I don't see Pein beating Gaara and his partners.

Muu > Pain. When he's invisible Pain can't locate him so he can't focus his Shinra Tensei and has to use his 360 degrees one to hit him, which would also push away the other paths and kill them. Plus Muu can lighten his body so he wouldn't hit the ground hard when he's knocked back from Shinra Tensei because the heavier you are the further you get sent flying back and the more force you hit the ground with (example being three boss toads getting oneshotted.) Bansho Tenin also doesn't work if Pain can't located Muu. If Pain tries using his Rain Tiger at Will to detect him, Muu can just fly above the rain clouds and destroy them with jinton. Preta is an issue but Muu can kill him and Naraka with guerilla attacks after splitting bodies. Animal summons get one shotted by weighted rock tech which immobilizes them with one touch and Asura rockets are dodged with ease. Chibaku Tensei is destroyed with jinton.

Now, I was exaggerating when I said Muu can solo the 6 Pains but I think with a capable partner they can take them down. So I think any of the Muu teams can win, even the one with Tsunade stands a chance.
 

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Muu > Pain. When he's invisible Pain can't locate him so he can't focus his Shinra Tensei and has to use his 360 degrees one to hit him, which would also push away the other paths and kill them. Plus Muu can lighten his body so he wouldn't hit the ground hard when he's knocked back from Shinra Tensei because the heavier you are the further you get sent flying back and the more force you hit the ground with (example being three boss toads getting oneshotted.) Bansho Tenin also doesn't work if Pain can't located Muu. If Pain tries using his Rain Tiger at Will to detect him, Muu can just fly above the rain clouds and destroy them with jinton. Preta is an issue but Muu can kill him and Naraka with guerilla attacks after splitting bodies. Animal summons get one shotted by weighted rock tech which immobilizes them with one touch and Asura rockets are dodged with ease. Chibaku Tensei is destroyed with jinton.

Now, I was exaggerating when I said Muu can solo the 6 Pains but I think with a capable partner they can take them down. So I think any of the Muu teams can win, even the one with Tsunade stands a chance.
Pein > Muu, mid difficulty.

With Pein in fully formation, defending against Muu's invisible attacks aren't that hard. The second he appears to attack close by, or when a Path is killed the rest jump on the general location and he's killed. Or, half of him is. Leaving a Jinton-less Muu with a move set not oriented around fighting Pein. With all the Animal Path's summoned animals out to give them extra vision or even provide extra muscle, not sure how Muu escapes from that.

If Muu reveals himself, either split in half or the full thing, he's getting Bansho Tenin'd towards the paths to either get a friendly hug from Asura, a chakra spike in his abdomen, or his soul sucked out. Pein'll use this tactic especially, if he knows his opponent has Jinton, invisiblity, and flight.

Killing the Naraka or Preta isn't so easy, well maybe the Preta. Naraka could easily be hidden in inside the chameleon, and unless Muu reveals his chakra or presence, he's not finding it. Tobirama noted that he had to use chakra to make use of sensing, it wasn't a passive ability. If Muu hides his chakra, like Karin, I don't see how he can then proceed to use it to sense.

Muu doesn't get away with killing more then one or two paths, at the most. The second he strikes, Deva is on him. If he strikes Deva, Asura's likely to be near too. Any damage done to any individual path is recovered by the Naraka. With Asura able to use a large AoE chakra blast that destroyed easily a block+, I don't see how any half of Muu makes a clear get away.

Tsunade is a non-factor.
 

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Pain with CT solos all of them except Mu and Onoki

Assuming he can get it off of course
 

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Muu > Pain. When he's invisible Pain can't locate him so he can't focus his Shinra Tensei and has to use his 360 degrees one to hit him, which would also push away the other paths and kill them. Plus Muu can lighten his body so he wouldn't hit the ground hard when he's knocked back from Shinra Tensei because the heavier you are the further you get sent flying back and the more force you hit the ground with (example being three boss toads getting oneshotted.) Bansho Tenin also doesn't work if Pain can't located Muu. If Pain tries using his Rain Tiger at Will to detect him, Muu can just fly above the rain clouds and destroy them with jinton. Preta is an issue but Muu can kill him and Naraka with guerilla attacks after splitting bodies. Animal summons get one shotted by weighted rock tech which immobilizes them with one touch and Asura rockets are dodged with ease. Chibaku Tensei is destroyed with jinton.

Now, I was exaggerating when I said Muu can solo the 6 Pains but I think with a capable partner they can take them down. So I think any of the Muu teams can win, even the one with Tsunade stands a chance.

Fuking delusional.
 

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Ay, Onoki team wins with high diff

Gaara, Onoki team wins with extreme diff


Onoki, Muu team wins with mid diff


Third Raikage, Ay , no counter for CT, but they can blitz him, team wins high diff


Muu, Third Raikage, team wins mid diff



Tsunade, Muu, team wins high diff


Gaara, Third Raikage, pain wins high diff


Minato, Tobirama, no counter for CT, but they can blitz him , mid diff


Minato, Muu, team wins low-mid diff


Tobirama, Ay, team wins low-mid diff


Third Raikage, Hiruzen, lol


Are there any teams that can win only if CST/CT is restricted?

3rd Raikage & gaara
 

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Ay, Onoki team wins with high diff

Gaara, Onoki team wins with extreme diff


Onoki, Muu team wins with mid diff


Third Raikage, Ay , no counter for CT, but they can blitz him, team wins high diff


Muu, Third Raikage, team wins mid diff



Tsunade, Muu, team wins high diff


Gaara, Third Raikage, pain wins high diff


Minato, Tobirama, no counter for CT, but they can blitz him , mid diff


Minato, Muu, team wins low-mid diff


Tobirama, Ay, team wins low-mid diff


Third Raikage, Hiruzen, lol


Are there any teams that can win only if CST/CT is restricted?

3rd Raikage & gaara

wtf is this? lol.
 

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Pein > Muu, mid difficulty.

Agreed.

With Pein in fully formation, defending against Muu's invisible attacks aren't that hard. The second he appears to attack close by, or when a Path is killed the rest jump on the general location and he's killed. Or, half of him is. Leaving a Jinton-less Muu with a move set not oriented around fighting Pein. With all the Animal Path's summoned animals out to give them extra vision or even provide extra muscle, not sure how Muu escapes from that.

Jumping toward Muu's general location and blindly swiping the air with chakra rods isn't a great method to hit Muu after he takes down a Pain, not when the latter can see them while they can't. Considering Muu was able to react to , he should be capable of moving upwards to avoid the Pains attacking with chakra rods.

Asura Path and Animal Path's attacks have more AoE than that, but:

-Animal summons are not very fast, Gamaken and Base Jiraiya reacted to them. Muu would dodge their attacks with ease. If Animal Path summons one on top of Muu in the same manner that Jiraiya uses Food Cart Destroyer, Muu can counter by lightening the animal to decrease its weight and .

-Asura's block busting attack requires during which Muu can get the hell out of there. Itachi already took advantage of that build up time to , coming from a far away enough distance that Nagato wasn't able to sense him coming. Seeing how Muu's fastest flight speed should be at least on par with that of , that gives time for Muu to escape the blast's area of effect. Other missiles create explosions much smaller than , although Asura can make up for quality with quantity and fire four of them which may prove problematic...but that is one reason why Muu needs a teammate to win, plus those rockets might kill other pains in the area if Asura is blindly firing off rockets and doesn't know where Muu is.

If Muu reveals himself, either split in half or the full thing, he's getting Bansho Tenin'd towards the paths to either get a friendly hug from Asura, a chakra spike in his abdomen, or his soul sucked out. Pein'll use this tactic especially, if he knows his opponent has Jinton, invisiblity, and flight.

Maybe, but I don't see a reason why Muu would have to reveal himself. He only needs that for jinton, which would be useless anyway due to Preta. Bansho Tenin can be countered by Muu uses weighted-rock technique on himself so he's too heavy to be drawn in, though that leaves him open to attacks from the other Pains.

Killing the Naraka or Preta isn't so easy, well maybe the Preta. Naraka could easily be hidden in inside the chameleon, and unless Muu reveals his chakra or presence, he's not finding it. Tobirama noted that he had to use chakra to make use of sensing, it wasn't a passive ability. If Muu hides his chakra, like Karin, I don't see how he can then proceed to use it to sense.

Muu wouldn't be able to sense the chamaleon anyway since other sensors couldn't detect it (SM Jiraiya, Ma, Pa, KCM Naruto). Only physical sensing works on the chamaleon like Jiraiya's barrier or Shima's tongue. Yeah Naraka can hide himself that way, but he needs to come out into the open to revive another path during which time Muu can swoop in and assassinate him, or kill him with a .

Muu doesn't get away with killing more then one or two paths, at the most. The second he strikes, Deva is on him. If he strikes Deva, Asura's likely to be near too. Any damage done to any individual path is recovered by the Naraka. With Asura able to use a large AoE chakra blast that destroyed easily a block+, I don't see how any half of Muu makes a clear get away.

Yep. The problem here is Asura since it's the only path that can hit Muu after he attacks Deva.

Tsunade is a non-factor.

Nope, I don't think so.

Muu can split bodies and attach one of the bodies to Tsunade in the same backpack combo Ay used with Onoki, while the other body goes invisible. Now Muu #1 lightens Tsunade to give her a speed boost (Byakogou Tsunade is no slouch when it comes to speed on her own), as well as make her punches extra destructive. To give you an idea of that boost, Ay could barely crack ribcage Susanoo on his own (and Sasuke was untouched) but with his punches being made heavy he destroyed a V2. None of the paths' initial attacks will seriously injure backpack Tsunade/Muu.

-Animal summons are either by Tsunade's punches or by weighted-rock technique to immobilize them.

-Tsunade can punch the ground which will make rocks spring up to protect them from Asura's attacks. Muu can boost her punches by making them extra heavy, probably to the point where Tsunade can match War Arc Sakura's destructive ground punches. Any other damage is tanked and healed.

-Deva can keep Tsunade at bay with Shinra Tensei, but his attacks aren't killing her if CST is restricted. She'd tank and regenerate the damage, with her body being used to shield Muu, and Muu can lighten them both so they hit the ground with little impact.

With the backpack combo being able to withstand those attacks, that gives time for Muu #2 (the invisible one) to go and assassinate Deva. Asura then kills that Muu #2 with rockets sure, but now lightened Tsunade can no longer be kept at bay and she can then quickly take out Preta, not giving Naraka time to revive those two they already take out.

Now with Deva and Preta out of the picture, it's a simple matter of Tsunade powering up Muu to form jinton which kills the rest. (A Tsunade boost in chakra should easily make up for the fact that it's only 50% Muu.)
 
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Agreed.



Jumping toward Muu's general location and blindly swiping the air with chakra rods isn't a great method to hit Muu after he takes down a Pain, not when the latter can see them while they can't. Considering Muu was able to react to , he should be capable of moving upwards to avoid the Pains attacking with chakra rods.

Asura Path and Animal Path's attacks have more AoE than that, but:

-Animal summons are not very fast, Gamaken and Base Jiraiya reacted to them. Muu would dodge their attacks with ease. If Animal Path summons one on top of Muu in the same manner that Jiraiya uses Food Cart Destroyer, Muu can counter by lightening the animal to decrease its weight and .

Not sure why you thought he'd randomly use a chakra rod on an invisible Muu, that'd be a Shinra Tensei. Muu sensed him and avoided the attack, sure. But the second Naruto came right back at him, he was hit and that was the end of him. Now imagine several other paths attacking him at once. The summons are there merely to provide added sight and to provoke Muu into preemptive attacks. Only two, possibly three, serve a real purpose. The chameleon hides Naraka, the Bird will look on from the skies over the battle field, and the crab will provide a field to catch Muu's clones in.

, either directly soaking Mu or making the landscape moist. Footsteps would stick out, ruining the point of walking or running on land. The Bird'll be watching from the skies, and in the event Muu stops masking his chakra and prepares an attack, I don't see how the Rinnegan won't catch sight of him. He's found out, and the Paths take offensive measures.

-Asura's block busting attack requires during which Muu can get the hell out of there. Itachi already took advantage of that build up time to , coming from a far away enough distance that Nagato wasn't able to sense him coming. Seeing how Muu's fastest flight speed should be at least on par with that of , that gives time for Muu to escape the blast's area of effect. Other missiles create explosions much smaller than , although Asura can make up for quality with quantity and fire four of them which may prove problematic...but that is one reason why Muu needs a teammate to win, plus those rockets might kill other pains in the area if Asura is blindly firing off rockets and doesn't know where Muu is.

The build up time is a joke, turn the page and the destruction was already in mid-course. Mu's not making it far away enough to avoid that attack. Not in seconds. Using the feat of Nagato literally manifesting a limb to replicate it doesn't do much at all, not when Asura's shown to be using it in a quick span of time. I mean, doubtful. All the other paths apart from maybe the Preta aren't directly offensive and would be assembled nearby, but not in the path he's going. Unless Mu is going to be running into the cluster, for God knows why. Any damage done, death or otherwise, is fixed by Naraka. No big deal. If Muu just attacks, or is attacking and kneading his chakra for a jutsu, they'll know.

Maybe, but I don't see a reason why Muu would have to reveal himself. He only needs that for jinton, which would be useless anyway due to Preta. Bansho Tenin can be countered by Muu uses weighted-rock technique on himself so he's too heavy to be drawn in, though that leaves him open to attacks from the other Pains.

Kind of not a good counter. Pein'll be using more then one jutsu at a time. Expect Asura to use either his missiles or the Chakra blast to kill Muu shortly after.

Muu wouldn't be able to sense the chamaleon anyway since other sensors couldn't detect it (SM Jiraiya, Ma, Pa, KCM Naruto). Only physical sensing works on the chamaleon like Jiraiya's barrier or Shima's tongue. Yeah Naraka can hide himself that way, but he needs to come out into the open to revive another path during which time Muu can swoop in and assassinate him, or kill him with a .

Yep. The problem here is Asura since it's the only path that can hit Muu after he attacks Deva.

He'll just "Swoop in." or use a Jinton? As if either the Deva or Preta wouldn't be by his side? And don't give him Oonoki's Jinton feats, he's never created Jinton that quickly nor do we have a reason to believe he can. If he comes near and is actively using Ninjutsu, the paths will spot him. Simple as that.



Nope, I don't think so.

Muu can split bodies and attach one of the bodies to Tsunade in the same backpack combo Ay used with Onoki, while the other body goes invisible. Now Muu #1 lightens Tsunade to give her a speed boost (Byakogou Tsunade is no slouch when it comes to speed on her own), as well as make her punches extra destructive. To give you an idea of that boost, Ay could barely crack ribcage Susanoo on his own (and Sasuke was untouched) but with his punches being made heavy he destroyed a V2. None of the paths' initial attacks will seriously injure backpack Tsunade/Muu.
Except using Bansho Tenin to draw either in. Except for the fact when they get close, it's Shinra Tensei or Hell, Bansho Tenin. Except, acceptable losses are alright as long as Naraka arrives. Literally coming at the two from slightly altered angles and possibly the help of a summons or two ends this. Deva Path on the left, Asura on the right. Deva draws Muu or Tsunade in, Muu uses his weighted rock in an attempt to keep them grounded, right?

Cool. Because if they stay still, Asura pelts them with rocks or the chakra blast. Likely the latter, let's just assume it's the latter and keep the former in mind as a back up plan. So Muu's dead, right there. If he stays to keep tsunade grounded, he's not living. If he doesn't? Tsunade gets a chakra spike through her, messing her chakra control up and making her literally useless. Add in one or two summons, maybe the centipede or dog for good measure to box them in and it's over. You have Muu left, or you have Tsunade left. Well, Tsunade and presumably half of Muu. Which also begs a question, maybe I'm wrong. Please correct me if I am. But has Muu ever demonstrated the ability to go invisible after splitting? Any time during the chase scene he had? I don't think so. The fission ability, that splits his power in half and makes techniques such as Jinton unusable, maybe it does the same to his invisibility?

One could say it's because Kabuto had control and was a novice, sure. But he almost made Muu use Jinton, and controlled Nagato with the general idea of what he was doing. Unless he was suddenly throwing away Edo Tensei, I'd say it's a fair wager to put that when split, invisibilty goes down the drain. But please, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm fine with that, it's just what I've observed in the manga.
-Animal summons are either by Tsunade's punches or by weighted-rock technique to immobilize them.

-Tsunade can punch the ground which will make rocks spring up to protect them from Asura's attacks. Muu can boost her punches by making them extra heavy, probably to the point where Tsunade can match War Arc Sakura's destructive ground punches. Any other damage is tanked and healed.

-Deva can keep Tsunade at bay with Shinra Tensei, but his attacks aren't killing her if CST is restricted. She'd tank and regenerate the damage, with her body being used to shield Muu, and Muu can lighten them both so they hit the ground with little impact.
I'd like to see something more then support the bold. Yeah, Oonoki had a good strength increase. But the difference in strength between the two is pretty high. Sure sure, she could. :rolleyes: As for the debris, maybe that helps with fighting off the Asura's attacks. But Muu is still being picked off from tsunade and receiving a chakra rod in the abdomen if he focuses on protecting Tsunade.
With the backpack combo being able to withstand those attacks, that gives time for Muu #2 (the invisible one) to go and assassinate Deva. Asura then kills that Muu #2 with rockets sure, but now lightened Tsunade can no longer be kept at bay and she can then quickly take out Preta, not giving Naraka time to revive those two they already take out.

Now with Deva and Preta out of the picture, it's a simple matter of Tsunade powering up Muu to form jinton which kills the rest. (A Tsunade boost in chakra should easily make up for the fact that it's only 50% Muu.)
Except, the likelyhood of Muu #2 being able to go invisible is small. Except, even then large scale attacks would harm Muu #1, even with a Tsunade shield. Except, without a way to find the chameleon, not sure how it's NOT getting repaired.
 
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Pain honestly defeats them all imo. The difficulty can chamge but ultimately it ends like this.
 

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Not sure why you thought he'd randomly use a chakra rod on an invisible Muu, that'd be a Shinra Tensei. Muu sensed him and avoided the attack, sure. But the second Naruto came right back at him, he was hit and that was the end of him. Now imagine several other paths attacking him at once. The summons are there merely to provide added sight and to provoke Muu into preemptive attacks. Only two, possibly three, serve a real purpose.

If they're not attacking with chakra rods or other weapons the pains jumping toward that location is literally pointless, because all you said was "the rest jump toward that general location and he's killed." Shinra Tensei is not a threat when Muu attacks deva first, since there's literally nothing stopping him from doing that. There won't be preemptive attacks caused by summons since there's zero reason for Muu to waste time on animals. Lol.

You're also forgetting that it doesn't even matter if one of Muu's bodies is killed since as long as it kills Deva first and Muu has his other body to be Tsunade's light/heavy.

The chameleon hides naraka, the Bird will look on from the skies over the battle field, and the crab will provide a field to catch Muu's clones in.

Lol. Absolutely nothing here is relevant as nothing saves Deva here from getting assasinating by one of Muu's bodies. Deva can hide in the chamaleon all day long but it's pointless since he'll have to reveal himself to use Shinra Tensei which is necessary from a speedy, incredibly destructive Tsunade charging in and killing all the paths with punches. Animal summons would just get knocked away and Asura rockets get tanked and regenerated by Tsunade with zero damage. Guess you didn't catch the part where I plainly stated I don't think Muu would solo Pain.

, either directly soaking Mu or making the landscape moist. Footsteps would stick out, ruining the point of walking or running on land. The Bird'll be watching from the skies, and in the event Muu stops masking his chakra and prepares an attack, I don't see how the Rinnegan won't catch sight of him. He's found out, and the Paths take offensive measures.

is this a joke? Are you forgetting Muu can fly making this crustacean's efforts being totally in vain? Base Jiraiya dodged that foam, you're giving me no reason to believe muu would get soaked. The bird does nothing. It flies around keeping an eye out for a Muu it will never see because he won't need to become visible to kill Deva with an invisible sword attack, or because Muu just flies after it and pokes its eyes out like Itachi did with kunais...or because Muu touches it once to use weighted boulder technique on it, and then the thing falls to the ground. Before you can even start saying muu doesn't have that jutsu, the bird hits the ground like a flat stanley then disappears with a puff of smoke.

The build up time is a joke, turn the page and the destruction was already in mid-course. Mu's not making it far away enough to avoid that attack. Not in seconds. Using the feat of Nagato literally manifesting a limb to replicate it doesn't do much at all, not when Asura's shown to be using it in a quick span of time. I mean, doubtful. All the other paths apart from maybe the Preta aren't directly offensive and would be assembled nearby, but not in the path he's going. Unless Mu is going to be running into the cluster, for God knows why. Any damage done, death or otherwise, is fixed by Naraka. No big deal. If Muu just attacks, or is attacking and kneading his chakra for a jutsu, they'll know.

Wow, you really can't understand that those two panels don't give us any sort of time reference so you interpret it literally that it was in mid explosion in a few seconds.

-Doesn't make sense because that's Asura's strongest technique and he didn't instantly use it against Kakashi or Jiraiya
-Doesn't begin to prove your point if Nagato had to grow an arm first. The explosion had when Susanoo blitzed off his arm.

It's not hard to see that claiming this [ ][ ] happened that fast is the same as interpreting Onoki had cast a huge jinton and almost completed swinging it in a rotation to destroy a huge area [ ] in the time frame that was given otherwise I would be using that feat against you to say Muu blitzes them all with jinton, so accept that Kishimoto is trying to get you to think a little here buddy.

Kind of not a good counter. Pein'll be using more then one jutsu at a time. Expect Asura to use either his missiles or the Chakra blast to kill Muu shortly after.

Been addressed. The body to kill deva doesn't need to become visible.

He'll just "Swoop in." or use a Jinton? As if either the Deva or Preta wouldn't be by his side? And don't give him Oonoki's Jinton feats, he's never created Jinton that quickly nor do we have a reason to believe he can. If he comes near and is actively using Ninjutsu, the paths will spot him. Simple as that.

That would depend on what paths are on the battlefield at the time. Once Deva is killed with an invisible sword attack there's nothing stopping Tsunade from smashing Asura into smithereens, or Muu on Tsunade's back (pumped full of her chakra) cleans up his mess by destroying the bodies he kills by vaporizing it with a small jinton like , which doesn't require much chakra regardless.

And @bold don't make me laugh. It's not like Muu was portrayed many times as the strongest Tsuchikage. It's not like Muu literally taught Onoki how to use jinton. It's not like Muu and Onoki fired jinton off at each many times, and they matched each other and stalemated, every single time. yeah, that's really nitpicking if you're denying him basic feats he should have due to lack of actually displaying them.

Except using Bansho Tenin to draw either in. Except for the fact when they get close, it's Shinra Tensei or Hell, Bansho Tenin. Except, acceptable losses are alright as long as Naraka arrives. Literally coming at the two from slightly altered angles and possibly the help of a summons or two ends this. Deva Path on the left, Asura on the right. Deva draws Muu or Tsunade in, Muu uses his weighted rock in an attempt to keep them grounded, right?

Cool. Because if they stay still, Asura pelts them with rocks or the chakra blast. Likely the latter, let's just assume it's the latter and keep the former in mind as a back up plan. So Muu's dead, right there. If he stays to keep tsunade grounded, he's not living. If he doesn't? Tsunade gets a chakra spike through her, messing her chakra control up and making her literally useless. Add in one or two summons, maybe the centipede or dog for good measure to box them in and it's over. You have Muu left, or you have Tsunade left. Well, Tsunade and presumably half of Muu. Which also begs a question, maybe I'm wrong. Please correct me if I am. But has Muu ever demonstrated the ability to go invisible after splitting? Any time during the chase scene he had? I don't think so. The fission ability, that splits his power in half and makes techniques such as Jinton unusable, maybe it does the same to his invisibility?

One could say it's because Kabuto had control and was a novice, sure. But he almost made Muu use Jinton, and controlled Nagato with the general idea of what he was doing. Unless he was suddenly throwing away Edo Tensei, I'd say it's a fair wager to put that when split, invisibilty goes down the drain. But please, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm fine with that, it's just what I've observed in the manga.

Don't know what made your attitude so shitty but you've provided not a single valid reason for Muu being unable to go invisible with a 50% body. Onoki said Muu when he's split. Not his techniques. Half of Muu still has 50% power and it does not take much chakra to go invisible as seen by feats. Not any other technique, which makes sense because jinton is the only technique that requires Muu to become visible to use in the first place, and Muu was able to in his 50% state. He was shown flying when invisible and was implied to have . Not to mention you're ignoring the obvious fact that Muu was when being tailed by those, and Kabuto was in the middle of a battle so he wasn't controlling Muu either, which essentially puts that Edo Tensei in autopilot. He continued running because thats what it had been doing already. When Muu used jinton, he was conscious and could formulate the thought to use jinton which the Edo Tensei contract forced him to use. That's why mindless Edos are far inferior in battle to ones that retain consciousness or are controlled by Kabuto.

Yes, Bansho Tenin is countered by Muu making them both heavy. Yes, Tsunade can first punch the ground first amplified by its increased weight. The rock fragments come up from the ground and provide protection from the other paths attacking. Tsunade's punch amplified by Muu would be even stronger than War Arc Sakura's punch and I'll explain why.

I'd like to see something more then support the bold. Yeah, Oonoki had a good strength increase. But the difference in strength between the two is pretty high. Sure sure, she could. :rolleyes: As for the debris, maybe that helps with fighting off the Asura's attacks. But Muu is still being picked off from tsunade and receiving a chakra rod in the abdomen if he focuses on protecting Tsunade.

Lol. You're wrong, and it wouldn't even begin to prove your point if you weren't. Tsunade is physically stronger than Raikage in canon as acknowledged by . However Ay, who can only break a ribcage Susanoo on his own and , was boosted by Onoki so much he destroyed a V2 Susanoo in one hit [ ]. Tsunade upon recieving the same boost would be at the very least can replicate that feat and probably does significant damage to V3 Susanoo whereas it's commonly accepted that Sakura's Shannaro punch would destroy a ribcage Susanoo, maybe do some damage to a V2, based of scaling. If you think Sakura's punch can destroy above a V2 Susanoo or higher, I want to hear your reasoning.

So yeah, Tsunade punches the ground. happens. The other paths' efforts at attacking her with summons, rockets, or close combat are completely futile since the rock frgaments stop them in their tracks. This would also disrupt the bansho tenin depending on the range it's used at, and a few seconds later the invisible Muu slits Deva's throat letting Tsunade and backpack Muu go on a rampage with nothing to stop them.

Except, the likelyhood of Muu #2 being able to go invisible is small. Except, even then large scale attacks would harm Muu #1, even with a Tsunade shield. Except, without a way to find the chameleon, not sure how it's NOT getting repaired.

-No there's literally nothing stopping him from going invisible and you just claim he can't do it despite giving no reasons.
-Nope. Addressed how Shinra Tensei is countered by Muu lightening their bodies so they hit the ground with little force. Addressed how bansho tenin gets countered with weighted rock technique. Addressed how a punch to the ground would block any attacks aimed at them from other paths while BT is active and I gave a clear way for the team to win the battle which you haven't been able to counter where you give the same flawed logic or lack of logic period. Unless you're planning on doing less trash talking and actually put up decent arguments, you would just be wasting your time responding again since I'm expecting you to just repeat the same nonsense.
 
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These are full intel fights. Location is destroyed Konoha.

Teams:

Ay, Onoki
Gaara, Onoki
Onoki, Muu
Third Raikage, Ay
Muu, Third Raikage
Tsunade, Muu
Gaara, Third Raikage
Minato, Tobirama
Minato, Muu
Tobirama, Ay

Third Raikage, Hiruzen

Are there any teams that can win only if CST/CT is restricted?

Pein loses to the bolded,
 
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