Sasuke's Strength

[TheRedAndGreenBeast]

Yeah I'm bored but whatever... This is not a troll/hate/fanboy thread yada yada ya...

Sasuke started the series as the most talented rookie 9 and the 3rd strongest K12 (Also 4th strongest known Genin). He has a lot of natural talent but what people tend to forget is Sasuke's training. People say Sasuke doesn't put in effort towards training and only gets free power ups. He does get some power ups but he DOES train. Besides, CM wasn't by choice, MS or Sharingan wasn't by choice. The only free power ups he got was CM2 and EMS.

When he was 7, he trained daily till he could master Fire Ball Jutsu. During the Chuunin Exams 1 month break, he trained in Raiton AND Lee's taijutsu style. He spent 2 and a half years training under Orochimaru (which proved to be more effective than Naruto's training under Jiraiya). People say he didn't train during part 2. Wrong. Where did he get his hawk from? He must of done some sort of training or something to achieve it. Also, Kishi doesn't show part 2 Sasuke train because the show isn't centred around him. This is why we only see Naruto's training.

Something that bothers me is that since Sasuke got MS, he seems to have become a lower level fighter than before. Hebi Sasuke planned all his strategies. EMS/MS Sasuke spams Amaterasu/Susano. He's more powerful now but less effective in a fight. He would get smacked up by Naruto now (I'm not a fan boy but you must be stupid to think otherwise and lets face it - Naruto has ascended above almost every other ninja). Btw, as far as I'm concerned, EMS only grants you eyesight, not power...although by logic he should have Tsukiyomi now...

Enough rambling now...

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yes, by my account sasuke trained more then naruto, simple proof of that his stats.
But i wouldnt put sasuke so much below naruto right now. Naruto does appear stronger and it may be so, but so far its unknown if anything naruto got is enough to brake susanoo sasuke has. So i find that naruto will most likely outlast him. Still we've seen naruto's new power in battle, we need to see that of sasuke now to judge properly

 

[foxyladyland]

he used to train with itachi all the time before the fam got killed for real I met them

but his training is usually fighting people......sasuke trains by fighting , well that's thatXD

 

[TheRedAndGreenBeast]

Yes, by my account sasuke trained more then naruto, simple proof of that his stats.
But i wouldnt put sasuke so much below naruto right now. Naruto does appear stronger and it may be so, but so far its unknown if anything naruto got is enough to brake susanoo sasuke has. So i find that naruto will most likely outlast him. Still we've seen naruto's new power in battle, we need to see that of sasuke now to judge properly

I don't think Sasuke has a new power. Just more control. If he had a new jutsu he woulda used it against Kabuto.

 

[Sir Blades]

Hiruzen can take care of him, case closed.

 

[Penguin]

Ya, Sasuke did train alot. He is still pretty far below Naruto.

 

[TheRedAndGreenBeast]

Hiruzen can take care of him, case closed.

Maybe...But, regardless, keep pointless hate & fanboyism & trolling away from my thread please. Please state reasons for why you think, it may open a good discussion

 

[foxyladyland]

I don't think Sasuke has a new power. Just more control. If he had a new jutsu he woulda used it against Kabuto.

he didn't know if he had it yet......he simply doesn't know

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Sasuke hasn't just been spamming MS jutsu like you say.

Against Bee, he started out with his normal jutsu and got wrecked. If he started out with MS, he would have won without suffering those major injuries.

Against A, he started out with normal jutsu again while only using his MS genjutsu to get rid of Cee so Karin could search for Danzo. He had to use Susanoo to defend against the Liger Bomb, a jutsu that A's subordinates thought should have killed Sasuke instantly. He then used Ama on this powerful opponent and showed us his skill with enton.

He had to pull out Susanoo again when he couldn't dodge a strike from Chojuru and then kept it up in the presence of Mei, a kage.

By the time he had to fight Danzo, I feel like he finally got the picture. He has to go all out against these top tier shinobi to win. He used his MS jutsu intelligently to pressure Danzo to use Izanagi up and then fooled him with genjutsu.

So, all in all, it may seem like Sasuke just spams MS jutsu on the surface, but their is a method to the madness.

Edit: Also, you can't use the fight against Kabuto as a basis for an EMS Sasuke. He didn't even use a complete Susanoo, or use his Enton variations.

 

[Stark]

Sasuke has more experience than most of the ninja in Konoha, other than Kakashi. Sasuke is constantly fighting for sometime now, his skills have been improving because of that. The only fight Naruto has gotten into was his fight with Pain.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Exactly. He trained for all of part one, He trained during the timeskip, and even now. I wouldnt even cm2, sharingan and MS completely free powerups. He had to train the CM so that it wouldnt take control of him and so he can master it more(partial transformation). He had to train with his sharingan so he can increase his reaction speed and so he can learn genjutsu. And He trained through battle to master his MS

 

[TheRedAndGreenBeast]

Sasuke hasn't just been spamming MS jutsu like you say.

Against Bee, he started out with his normal jutsu and got wrecked. If he started out with MS, he would have won without suffering those major injuries.

Against A, he started out with normal jutsu again while only using his MS genjutsu to get rid of Cee so Karin could search for Danzo. He had to use Susanoo to defend against the Liger Bomb, a jutsu that A's subordinates thought should have killed Sasuke instantly. He then used Ama on this powerful opponent and showed us his skill with enton.

He had to pull out Susanoo again when he couldn't dodge a strike from Chojuru and then kept it up in the presence of Mei, a kage.

By the time he had to fight Danzo, I feel like he finally got the picture. He has to go all out against these top tier shinobi to win. He used his MS jutsu intelligently to pressure Danzo to use Izanagi up and then fooled him with genjutsu.

So, all in all, it may seem like Sasuke just spams MS jutsu on the surface, but their is a method to the madness.

Edit: Also, you can't use the fight against Kabuto as a basis for an EMS Sasuke. He didn't even use a complete Susanoo, or use his Enton variations.

Those are some good points.
Against Bee, it was his 1st fight using MS so he needed to get used to it and it was risky using it straight away without full knowledge of his own power.
Against A... most of that battle escapes my memory so you're probably right.
Fair point for vs Mei.
Against Danzo was a pure Susano endurance match. Although he did use his skills intelligently.

EMS Sasuke = MS Sasuke + perfect vision + (I think) Tsukiyomi + more control over MS jutsus.

 

[Umari Senju]

Sasuke hasn't just been spamming MS jutsu like you say.

Against Bee, he started out with his normal jutsu and got wrecked. If he started out with MS, he would have won without suffering those major injuries.

Against A, he started out with normal jutsu again while only using his MS genjutsu to get rid of Cee so Karin could search for Danzo. He had to use Susanoo to defend against the Liger Bomb, a jutsu that A's subordinates thought should have killed Sasuke instantly. He then used Ama on this powerful opponent and showed us his skill with enton.

He had to pull out Susanoo again when he couldn't dodge a strike from Chojuru and then kept it up in the presence of Mei, a kage.

By the time he had to fight Danzo, I feel like he finally got the picture. He has to go all out against these top tier shinobi to win. He used his MS jutsu intelligently to pressure Danzo to use Izanagi up and then fooled him with genjutsu.

So, all in all, it may seem like Sasuke just spams MS jutsu on the surface, but their is a method to the madness.

Edit: Also, you can't use the fight against Kabuto as a basis for an EMS Sasuke. He didn't even use a complete Susanoo, or use his Enton variations.

I'll agree with this. I think the biggest argument is that all of Sasuke's abilities are through birthright. Where as naruto had to train for his. But yes, Sasuke gets his Training through experience.

But just wait, I get the feeling that this Edo Hokage thing stint is gonna end in a match between either Sasuke VS Orochimaru, or Sasuke, Orochimaru, ans Taka VS The Edo Hokage. or Just Hashirama.

I,personally, would love to see a fight between Sasuke and Minato.

 

[Umari Senju]

Sasuke has more experience than most of the ninja in Konoha, other than Kakashi. Sasuke is constantly fighting for sometime now, his skills have been improving because of that. The only fight Naruto has gotten into was his fight with Pain.

Not entirely. Naruto now has War experience. he has fought several previous Kage, Kekkei Genkai users, Sharingan users, Rinnegan Users, and lots of different Zetsu fodders, lol. Sasuke hasn't been too acrive in this wat, giving Naruto time to level up and catch up in the fighting experience area.

 

[TheRedAndGreenBeast]

I'll agree with this. I think the biggest argument is that all of Sasuke's abilities are through birthright. Where as naruto had to train for his. But yes, Sasuke gets his Training through experience.

But just wait, I get the feeling that this Edo Hokage thing stint is gonna end in a match between either Sasuke VS Orochimaru, or Sasuke, Orochimaru, ans Taka VS The Edo Hokage. or Just Hashirama.

I,personally, would love to see a fight between Sasuke and Minato.

I think any of the Edo Hokage would defeat Sasuke. I mean, hell, any of the Edo Hokage could defeat Orochimaru too.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Sasuke didn't train. Actually the last time he trained was during the timeskip. He hasn't trained since. Just keep getting mad at everything which results in his eyes becoming stronger. Once he was at a dead end itachis eyes came in to play. Now he's just a wuss.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I don't think Sasuke has a new power. Just more control. If he had a new jutsu he woulda used it against Kabuto.

I think he does. I was under slight impression that madara gotten huge stamina increase due to EMS. But that just me, also itachi implied EMS is completely different doujutsu there must be something else.
Remember sasuke gradually unlocked and improvel all of his powers.

 

[ultshinobi]

sasuke just got strong cause of cursed seal and drugs orichimaru gave him

 

[TheRedAndGreenBeast]

sasuke just got strong cause of cursed seal and drugs orichimaru gave him

...No.......