this jackass says Chouji's spiked boulder is stronger than the sand villages most deadliest weapon hahaha wat an idiot get the **** out of here , alos naruto killed pain by power not witts, he tricked Kakuzu hens out smarted the guy wit only 3 clones, kakuzu will get dealt with with 100 plus puppets coming at him i dont care how stong he is, in this anime youll see the smartest beat the strongest, Sasori is a genies and crazy smart , not saying Kakuzu isnt but hes just to out numbered to win, plus like i said kakuzus attacks wont pass trew iron sand, looks at gaaras sand its regular sand and even attacks like ameteratsu and deideras explosives couldnt get to him, imagen iron sand , a defence more absolute than regular sand
So you don't care what feats Kakuzu shows that prove him stronger you just want Sasori to win? You just said it all there
Sasori is a genies and crazy smart , not saying Kakuzu isnt but hes just to out numbered to win, plus like i said kakuzus attacks wont pass trew iron sand, looks at gaaras sand its regular sand and even attacks like ameteratsu and deideras explosives couldnt get to him, imagen iron sand , a defence more absolute than regular sand
Quality>Quantity, and the 3rd Kazekage puppet isn't able to defend himself so easly against Gian assuming he has time to spit any sand in the first place
Quality>Quantity, and the 3rd Kazekage puppet isn't able to defend himself so easly against Gian assuming he has time to spit any sand in the first place
Sasori has the quantity AND the quality, and if Kakuzu has time to let his hearts out Sasori will have the time to spit the Iron Sand out of the 3rd Kazekage puppet.
Sasori has the quantity AND the quality, and if Kakuzu has time to let his hearts out Sasori will have the time to spit the Iron Sand out of the 3rd Kazekage puppet.
Well you need to ask Kishi about that, but by logic they don't have chakra of their own, he's the one controlling them.
And to be honest, his ability is similar to that of Sasori, he takes the heart of someone, then make use of their chakra nature and use their elemental techniques in battle, but the difference is that he is limited to 5 hearts (including his own), while Sasori can create as much Human Puppets as he wants (he has 298 in his collection) and he can summon them whenever he wants & use their KG and special abilities in battle, so IMO Sasori's ability is better.
Anyway, if your question is about stamina/chakra supply, Kakuzu has 4.5 in the databook, while Sasori has 5.
Lol u mad He beat Pain through power and wits but idk how that's related, and yeah Kakuzu was fooled by a bunshin feint So you don't care what feats Kakuzu shows that prove him stronger you just want Sasori to win? You just said it all there Quality>Quantity, and the 3rd Kazekage puppet isn't able to defend himself so easly against Gian assuming he has time to spit any sand in the first place
you make it seems like kakuzus blast are all so powerful yet kasashi lived trew both lightning and wind relase attack head on, and the team took a fire release hahahah hes strong but his attacks never did kill kakashi he still fought on dude , thrers no way those attacks will get trew iron sand sorry keep trying
oh and you never did explain how kakuzu would deal with sasori if kakuzus mask are destroyed and sasoris puppets are gone, 1v1 match dude go!
and remember Sasoris Water jet stream will slice rock like paper, as well as his flametrower will melt rock .
you make it seems like kakuzus blast are all so powerful yet kasashi lived trew both lightning and wind relase attack head on, and the team took a fire release hahahah hes strong but his attacks never did kill kakashi he still fought on dude , thrers no way those attacks will get trew iron sand sorry keep trying
oh and you never did explain how kakuzu would deal with sasori if kakuzus mask are destroyed and sasoris puppets are gone, 1v1 match dude go!
and remember Sasoris Water jet stream will slice rock like paper, as well as his flametrower will melt rock .
But seriously, what do people NOT GET about 298 vs 5? Yeah maybe Kakuzu will be quality over quantity and all but still. Even if Sasori uses his body and the Sandaime Kazekage puppet, they'd probably be enough to be on par with Kakuzu. How much more if there are 297 more puppets to be offered as a distraction??
But seriously, what do people NOT GET about 298 vs 5? Yeah maybe Kakuzu will be quality over quantity and all but still. Even if Sasori uses his body and the Sandaime Kazekage puppet, they'd probably be enough to be on par with Kakuzu. How much more if there are 297 more puppets to be offered as a distraction??
seriously, quantity takes it when its just to much to handle, stop making it seem like kakuzu has the power to take on an army , hes no the 3rd Raikage, hes WAY to out numbered, and like i keep saying 3 clones caught him
3 not even 4 now lets do the math take 3 way from 298 that leaves you with 294 that are still roaming around ready to kills, Plus Iron Sand , Plus Poison fogs any direction Kakuzu looks hes getting attacked from .... FIN :scorps:
seriously, quantity takes it when its just to much to handle, stop making it seem like kakuzu has the power to take on an army , hes no the 3rd Raikage, hes WAY to out numbered, and like i keep saying 3 clones caught him
3 not even 4 now lets do the math take 3 way from 298 that leaves you with 294 that are still roaming around ready to kills, Plus Iron Sand , Plus Poison fogs any direction Kakuzu looks hes getting attacked from .... FIN :scorps:
Yeah and don't forget, Sasori's "special" puppets have hidden techniques in them like the Sandaime's multiple hands that are ready to squash you like a roach.
Yeah and don't forget, Sasori's "special" puppets have hidden techniques in them like the Sandaime's multiple hands that are ready to squash you like a roach.
The "special" puppets you're talking about are his Human Puppets, which he said he has 298 of in his collection, he can use up to 10 of them (10 chakra strings in each one) or 20 (5 chakra strings in each one), so he would have the quality AND the quantity, and when any of them is destroyed, he can summon another one with other abilities and possibly KG (he chooses people with special abilities for his collection).
BTW don't mix it with his "Performance of Hundred Puppets", that actually another attack.
The "special" puppets you're talking about are his Human Puppets, which he said he has 298 of in his collection, he can use up to 10 of them (10 chakra strings in each one) or 20 (5 chakra strings in each one), so he would have the quality AND the quantity, and when any of them is destroyed, he can summon another one with other abilities and possibly KG (he chooses people with special abilities for his collection).
BTW don't mix it with his "Performance of Hundred Puppets", that actually another attack.
That's probably pointless but Kakuzu took it head on he was crushed completely under the ground without a scratch. It doesn't really matter how much more powerful the Iron Sand is because Doton: Domo is "hard as diamond" and Iron Sand is nowhere near powerful enough even if it were stronger than the spiked boulder. ALthough not by much, the
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I posted has a much wider destructive area than the Iron Sand did
Is that the technique you think is more destructive than the Iron Sand? well, let me show you the destructive power of a
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, you can see the surface was destroyed even though the spike wasn't directed towards it, it hit it and kept moving towards the wall and pierced through it, if Sasori didn't stop it it would've completely destroyed the wall, but Sasori's target is Sakura, not the wall.
Yeah exactly, even Sakura got away from it, Kakuzu should have no trouble not taking a hit head-on. Although if he did, that power's still not enough to trump over Doton: Domo, nor do I think Kazekage puppet will be out long enough for that to happen. You guys still have the mindset that the Iron Sand is Sasori's signature ability and there's no puppet to destroy to get rid of the Iron Sand.
And here you see the
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, not as powerful as the spike, but we should not forget about it... Still think it can't compare? lol
Yeah I do, it's not my fault you read the links and deny their destructive power's superiority, but that's still not enough to get around Domo.
A few scratches from it? you mean Chiyo protected her from the attack? I think you're talking about the World Method attack, which is not our subject here. lol
Well last I checked no other Iron Sand move ever hurt Sakura other than that one either, so...
Talking without proof I see, the Iron Sand attacks are better dodged, when they're blocked they will be attached to the target to slow their movements, there's a difference between taking a scratch from it and blocking it straight on.
Lol you want me to prove Kakuzu isn't a puppet? Sorry man, I can't prove that, I guess you're right, Kakuzu's a puppet.
When was it said it slows your movements? Last I checked this only worked on puppets because it clogs in their joints so they can't move. It was never ever ever said that it also worked on humans, that's a ridiculous assumption judging by the mechanics
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, and let me save you the trouble, there's no proof that this rule apply only on puppets.
Yes there is. Chiyo didn't say anything about humans being affected, and Sasori never used it on them in that way either. Note what
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. In fact, here's what the DB says about it: "This technique is especially threatening to puppet users, since the puppets can be made completely unable to fight." So yeah. There's your proof it "can't be used on humans the same way"
Well, I'll repeat what I said, but with some manga panels to support my point. Kakuzu just like anyone else (other than Sasori obviously, who transferred himself into a core) needs a stream inside his body, he can't live without it, he has a heart which streams blood, his heart even though it died
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(after Kakashi has pierced it and took some of its blood), he was affected by Hidan's ability
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(which uses blood), that proves he can't live without a blood, and his threads which moves constantly inside his body acts as a bloodstream, so no point in arguing about that endlessly.
Yeah that worked because he used Raikiri on his heart and got the blood from his hearts. Hidan can also talk without a head, again you act like we have to stick to 100% real life scientific logic. I guess Hidan talking was a fluke because it's impossible to talk while beheaded even if you're living. Kakuzu was just making a joke and mouthing over Hidan's voice. It's the only logical conclusion right?
I already posted a speed feat of Sasori's 3rd Kazekage puppet, and another speed feat of his own puppet, but I guess I have to re-post them..
Ok, you think these are extremely impressive but unfortunately they're the only ones you got. Those speed feats are moderately ok, but Chiyo was able to react easily to the 3rd Kazekage. Sakura still had time to run up to Sasori's cable and pull it all out of him before he reached a distance of like 10-20 feet. It's not as impressive as you think, here's the
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panels again, I'm very surprised you think either are capable of dodging.
You think he still can't dodge that attack even after the speed feats I showed you? besides, Sasori has 4.5 in speed on the Databook, his speed applies to his puppets, no point arguing endlessly about that.
Yes, I do. You still think Sasori can dodge that attack and a barrage of all of Kakuzu's other hearts at once after the speed feats I showed you?
Bolded: You compare the piercing power of an S-Ranked technique to that of a B-Ranked one? I think I don't need to tell you your mistake, but I would be disappointed if you don't notice it...
^ignoring that ranks of techniques don't have anything to do with their power
Although, for your sake and finally stoppiong this argument let's post the DB entries for all of Kakuzu's techniques. Feel free to post those for Sasori although I read all of them and nothing impressive at all in compared to Kakuzu(otherwise I'd say Sasori wins, lol). In fact, attacks like Iron Sand World method are explicitly said in the DB for the 3rd Kazekage puppet to personally come in to attack afterwards like it did for Sakura. So if anything those DB entries hurt your arguments.
A great spear of lightning shoots out from the strange mask!!
A Lightning Release technique fired by the monstrous being inside Kakuzu's body. The converged lightning is shaped like a sharp spear and pierces the enemy. Hiding an astounding destructive power great enough to even pierce rock, this is a technique with an extremely high killing ability.
If the number of lightning bolts is increased, this attack gains the ability to slaughter multiple enemies in an instant. Dodging this thunder that comes flying at high speed is next to impossible!!
Advancing is a tsunami of hell-fire!
All one sees is turned to dust!!
This technique drops a small fireball on the ground, but in just a moment, the flames spread to the surrounding area, scorching the entire surface. By adding Wind nature, the vigour of the fire is increased, causing a burning so tremendous, it will reduce the are to a field ravaged by fire...!!
The raging flames strike the enemy from underfoot!! Because the extent is wide, this technique is difficult to evade.
A blast of heavy artillery, leaving behind a severe scar!!
A violent "Wind Release ninjutsu" released by one of Kakuzu's five hearts.
A tornado-like mass is compressed until it has a very high density and is then released. With the wind pressure raised to its utmost limits, once this technique hits the target, everyone will be swept off their feet~~~. If this technique is used by someone who has mastered Wind "nature transformation," the whirling storm can blow up a vast range, inflicting massive damage on both the target and their surroundings.
Because it comes from mask's mouth so sudden, it is extremely difficult to predict the use of this technique.
Destructive power like that of a natural disaster......!!
An overwhelming mass of wind come forth with a thunderous roar!!The raging wind mows down every tree and gouges the Earth's surface!!
A body like diamond, repelling everything!!
With the chakra flowing through all parts of one's body, the skin is hardened, increasing its defence power to its utmost limits. Furthermore, the destructive power of human bullet attacks is increased, making this a great all-purpose technique. The amount of techniques that can break through the areas hardened by the "Earth Spear" are close to zero, not including its undeniable weak point: "Lightning Release Ninjutsu".
With one hit of Kakuzu's hardened fist, the gates of the Temple of Fire are destroyed.
By invoking this technique the instant an attack hits, one gains an immortal body.
So...yeah. GG?
Proof? Sasori has 4.5 in speed, and his speed applies to his puppets, you want manga panels of their speeds? I think I've posted it above.
Ok, still not fast enough to dodge Gian so anything else? And ok, let's stop the BS since it's going back and forth with the same "here's a feat" "not fast enough heres the panel" "heres the same feat" "still not fast enough heres the same panel"
Sasori doesn't just have to dodge 1 Gian and it's over. He's fighting against all of Kakuzu's masks, he has to fight against the Katon and the Fuuton and Raiton at once while they can hit him over and over. He won't have a chance to do anything, he'll too severely be placed on the defensive. When the Katon+Fuuton combo which he has no notable counter for or Raiton: Gian is all coming at him he's not one who can counter all these attacks at onec even with 3rd Kazekage puppet out. Even if he dodges 1 of them there's still another technique coming, plus they can hit him over and over.
Once the 3rd Kazekage puppet dies assuming he gets chance to even use any iron sand then Sasori still can't use it any more. And Kakuzu won't be sitting around on the defensive like Chiyo & Sakura were, Kakuzu will burst him with Gian easily. And as the DB and feats showed already Sasori's not dodging as opposed to the 1 page of feats that show an ok feat at best in comparison. So..."when and if" Sasori does dodge the Gian, a blast of Atsugai(cough read the DB entry and the
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I posted) comes his way, and if he miraculously counters that he'll just be blasted by the Katon. Really not a difficult concept
First bolded part: You obviously are talking about his Performance of a 100 Puppets, which proves, sorry to say it, that your reading skills is not that good, I was talking about his Human Puppets,
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, the Third Kazekage puppet is one of them, as well as Hiruko.
Sasori still has the advantage here, no point arguing about that endlessly.
Ok, Sasori has never ever ever showed what any of those puppets were capable of and if they were so useful he hadn't used a single one against Chiyo or Sakura. You were saying earlier in the thread not to assume, so don't bring things we have never ever seen into this. I'll start using the fact that oh I don't know, Kakuzu fought Hashirama and lived to tell the tale and whatnot.
Second bolded part: That's cool, in 5 words you wrote every offensive technique Kakuzu has, grats, but almost all of them are B-Ranked, and they can be either evaded or blocked with an Iron Sand wall.
So basically "I clicked them but totally ignored the contents". If you actually paid attention, most of them can be used in conjunction and Sasori has little to no counter for them.
So this is how you discredit powerful jutsu? Because it's "b-ranked"? A jutsu listed as D-rank blows up a mountain, and you're arguing against the user, that's how you discredit it? "Well it's just d-rank".
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. And go re-read the DB entries if you ignore those links as well, pretty sure they disprove the whole "durp b-rank equals shiet level"
First Bolded part: The first time she was controlled by Chiyo, the second time she was also protected by Chiyo, and she survived the World Method attack with several scratches, she had to heal the big wounds, and as I said before she wasn't affected by the poison because she used an antidote.
That's fine, Chiyo still has a 4 and was able to do that? And Sakura without any form of superior defense still managed to avoid taking fatal injuries? Yeah, Kakuzu has Doton: Domo which survived a spiked bullet smashing him into the ground and making a huge crater. Kakuzu won't be affected either since it can't scratch him, and when he sends 3rd Kazekage puppet in Kakuzu can use his boosted strength or one of his many hearts to kill him.
Uhh, yeah, there's like a 1 foot radius where it can actually harm him, Sakura and Chiyo again took basic scratches from it, they're an entire human body. Masks will be able to easily avoid being hurt by it.
Bolded: You say Sasori will lose just because he was fooled? as I said anyone can be fooled, even Kakuzu was fooled by a clone, at least Sasori was fooled because he thought she was poisoned, and she should, but because she studied his poison when she saved Kankuro from it, she prepared an antidote when she knew he works with poison, and he didn't know about that, that's why he was fooled, at least he wasn't fooled by a clone. lol
No, he'll be fooled because he's too slow to take on a Raiton: Gian and if he dodges that another Atsugai will blast him then Katon then a combination technique and yeah. I said if anything Sasori would be fooled, not the other way around. Since Sakura fooled him and "anyone can be fooled" Kakuzu is much smarter than Sakura. She used the knowledge of his poison against him which is ok, Kakuzu will take the Iron Sand World Method and he'd send in 3rd Kazekage either way, why would he believe Kakuzu would not take the attack unharmed or any of his hearts can't attack? It's not because he was "fooled" by Sakura that she destroyed his puppet, it was because that's the mechanics of the attack. Courtesy of the databook, when the opponent's path of escape is blocked by the Iron Sand World they send the real body to attack.
First bolded part: Well the manga and the databooks are all Kishi's, if you want to accept the manga facts then you should accept the databooks facts, you can't argue against it.
Well thanks for helping out my argument bro, re-read the DB entries of Kakuzu's techniques as I posted above, clearly out of Sasori's league.
It's not just that he has a 4.5, having a 4.5 is cool beans but the problem is having absolutely nothing to back it up. A low end 4.5? High end 4.5? Who knows, the only on-panel he's ever shown wasn't too impressive. I don't see any 4.5's dodging a Gian too well, then dodging another of Kakuzu's attacks immediately after when they can be fired in sucecssion. Even if Sasori could dodge a Gian can he dodge 3 in succession while attacks like Zukkoku and Atsgai are blasting him? No, obviously not
Second bolded part: I already posted two speed feats regarding Sasori and his 3rd Kazekage puppet, I dunno why you're still arguing about that.
Still not fast enough, but I probably was 'still arguing about that' since I can't read what you posted before you posted it, you know you posted those feats within that post right thar lol.
Third bolded part: Sasori's speed applies to his puppets, whether you like it or not, in fact the 3rd Kazekage puppet might be even faster, considering it's a puppet.
Wait ok when was this ever shown or implied? And yeah I agree what 3rd Kazekage showed was faster than Sasori's but when compared to Gian the difference is insignificant. But when was it said puppet speed is in relation to the user?
Basic shinobi technique which I could name like 20+characters off the top of my head
Chiyo has 4 in speed, as I always say do your research before posting, and even though she had 4 in speed, she was standing helpless unable to dodge Sasori's attack, that should give you even the slightest idea of what Sasori's speed is, and that was a real speed feat, not something like "Even Shikamaru and Choji couldn't dodge it!", what does Shikamaru and Choji has in speed? 2.5 for Shikamaru, and 2 for Choji, is that too impressive that they couldn't dodge False Darkness? No, Kakashi with his 4.5 in speed could've easily dodged that technique, but he chose to block it in order to protect the others.
I did do the research, I debated on it before but I probably just read the wrong category. Anyway, hse has little to no support that quantifies her speed and it's far slower than the likes of Gian or ayn of Kakuzu's attacks so..her speeds pretty insignificant
She never stood helpless...and Gian was only intercepted by a 4.5 at the last minute and one who has plenty of impressive support for his speed. Chiyo even as a 4 effectively countered his techs most of the time and Sasori's only a 4.5 with little to no support to his speed. When Gian was shown to be much faster and even if Sasori does miraculously dodge, Kakuzu will fire another after another.
Oh cool, you showed some taijutsu and speed feats, but that still doesn't prove Kakashi > Sasori in speed, having more feats doesn't mean he's faster, they both has 4.5 in speed and Sasori showed great speed feats despite the fact that he's not one of the main characters, he simply didn't have as much screen time as Kakashi, or he'd have showed more feats.
Lol no it doesn't. And yeah it does, Sasori is also a 4.5 and has never shown the speed capable to keep up with Kakashi so far, maybe if he had enough quantity then he'd be able to, who knows. But it's doubtful. Does Sasori beat Kakashi? Yeah, obviously, doesn't mean he's faster. Even Kakashi would not be able to dodge a barrage of Kakuzu's attacks in succession. He dodges the first Gian and then runs straight into the Fuuton which in turn runs into a Katon and another Gian or whatever works. Which is what happens to Sasori
And I dunno about the first bolded part, I think you're assuming here again, and the second bolded part was countered above, no point in arguing about that endlessly.
. Everything I said was backed up by proof as I said before
As I said before he will dodge it, he showed a great speed feats plus he has 4.5 in speed, and the one who has more intelligence will figure the other one's abilities faster, and that's Sasori, who has 5 in intelligence, unlike Kakuzu who has 4.5, plus Sasori is a
Ok, having a 5 in intelligence equals being able to react to Kakuzu's attacks? He sees the attack coming and he has good intelligence, don't mean he can do anything against all of them
Guess what, Chiyo's reacting and effectively counters. Yeah, too slow. Shikamaru and Chouji were sitting ducks and Kakashi was barely fast enough to do anything, Gian will go towards 3rd Kazekage and Sasori, even if they dodge they're faced with one of Kakuzu's other techniques which they in turn have to counter and can't. I really don't know why you don't get the concept and I don't want to pin it on fanboyism, but go re-read the links and DB entries, Kakuzu's simply a bad matchup.
Bolded: Because Sasori never used it as a defense? and again you compare Sakura's punches to Kakuzu's attacks, I think I'll have to repeat what I said, Sakura's punches has the force Kakuzu's attacks lacks, they have destructive powers but they don't have the force to break through or move the Iron Sand.
You're right, Kakuzu's attacks are superior in every way. They don't even have to 'get around it', unlike Sakura who just punched it head-on like a boss(lol) they just fly around it. He doesn't make a dome or a huge defense or aynthing, just 2 floating Iron Sand as far as we've seen and that's a wide open space for his masks to attack. Unlike Sakura and Chiyo as i said before, Kakuzu won't be sitting back and letting Sasori attack at his leisure, Gian after Gian after Atsugai after Gian after Katon is far too much for Sasori to respond to.
By force I mean something like destroying Susanoo's ribcage, something Kakuzu's attacks would never achieve.
Uhh...ok. "every part of them is made of threads except for the heart and mask which is how they obviously function when the heart is destroyed the ghost is destroyed" this is common sense here
they're not entirely threads, they have something like a
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, that black liquid must be their blood, if so then poison will paralyze them.
you make it seems like kakuzus blast are all so powerful yet kasashi lived trew both lightning and wind relase attack head on, and the team took a fire release hahahah hes strong but his attacks never did kill kakashi he still fought on dude , thrers no way those attacks will get trew iron sand sorry keep trying
He didn't, Kakashi was far enough away and Hidan took the blunt of the attack. It ripped all of Kakashi's Jonin gear off his body wheni was used, and Kakashi used 2 Raikiri against his Raiton he didn't take that crap head on with no defence or he'd be made of ashes.
oh and you never did explain how kakuzu would deal with sasori if kakuzus mask are destroyed and sasoris puppets are gone, 1v1 match dude go!
Good thing that wouldn't happen since Kakuzu has Gian, Fuuton, Katon, Combination which if you read the DB entries from them Sasori has little to no chance
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But seriously, what do people NOT GET about 298 vs 5? Yeah maybe Kakuzu will be quality over quantity and all but still. Even if Sasori uses his body and the Sandaime Kazekage puppet, they'd probably be enough to be on par with Kakuzu. How much more if there are 297 more puppets to be offered as a distraction??
Here's a good example, if you have 1 human and 10,000 ants would you say "omfg theres 10,000 of them you people are retarded if you think the human would beat them"? I know it's not a realistic comparison but think here. They have no known techniques other than fighting with swords and being wiped out like the fodder they were shown to be.
