Sasori vs Kakuzu

[TheFifthMizukage]

Sasori. High diff.

 

[Puppet Sage Mode]

A jutsu much more destructive than a giant Iron Sand spike? care to share?



Explain the first bolded part, and don't go assuming and preferably post proofs.

Second bolded part: I know that the hearts can move, they don't move by themselves though, Kakuzu controls them, similar to how Sasori controls his puppets, but Sasori has more puppets (298 Human Puppets in his collection) and he can use their KG and special abilities, so Sasori has the advantage here.

Third bolded part: Sakura didn't dodge the World Order attack, she got several scratches from it and she had to heal some of them, and of course she wasn't paralyzed by the poison because of the antidote.



First bolded part: The 3rd Kazekage puppet was destroyed because Sasori sent it to kill Sakura, he didn't know that she had an antidote so he thought she was paralyzed from the poison, Kakuzu would not be lucky enough to destroy it, if Sasori uses it for long range attacks only then it'll be ok.

Second bolded part: Sasori showed a great speed feat with the 3rd Kazekage puppet, even Chiyo who fought Hanzo several times (who was known for his shunshin) thought it's fast.

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And he showed a great speed feat with his own puppet as well.

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Third bolded part: Sasori can block that attack with Iron Sand, the third Kazekage was said to be able to shape the Iron Sand freely with his magnet release, he could create any shape with it, and Sasori can use the same technique, so it'd be easy for him to shape a wall of Iron Sand, nothing from Kakuzu would be able to get through.

True, Kakuzu has to control his mask , having his hands full wit 100 plus enemys wont be easy dude sasori has him out numbered

 

[Bogard]

True, Kakuzu has to control his mask , having his hands full wit 100 plus enemys wont be easy dude sasori has him out numbered

He doesn't need to control his masks. Where have you seen that? They move on their own. Proof is that, when Kakuzu died cuz of Shikamaru, one of his heart move an came to save him from death. They are independant of kakuzus power but he can actually control them, but it's not needed. They can do what they want

 

[Puppet Sage Mode]

He doesn't need to control his masks. Where have you seen that? They move on their own. Proof is that, when Kakuzu died cuz of Shikamaru, one of his heart move an came to save him from death. They are independant of kakuzus power but he can actually control them, but it's not needed. They can do what they want

Nope false, they saved him because they are his hearts , he has to control them they don't have a mind of ther own! Hens mask hearts dude not mask brains

 

[Memoria]

He doesn't need to control his masks. Where have you seen that? They move on their own. Proof is that, when Kakuzu died cuz of Shikamaru, one of his heart move an came to save him from death. They are independant of kakuzus power but he can actually control them, but it's not needed. They can do what they want

No dude they don't do what they want, Kakuzu controls them, proof of that is Kakuzu's combo with Hidan, Kakashi commented saying they have a good team work, because Kakuzu used Hidan's immortality to form a combo, I don't remember what exactly happened but you can re-read the fight, IIRC he used the wind heart to attack both Kakashi and Hidan, so Kakashi would be damaged while Hidan is immortal.

About the thing when he died, he must've set the hearts so one of them would enter his body when he dies.

 

[irukaumino26]

Sasori, EXTREMELY high difficulty. I'd honestly say after Itachi - Kisame/Kakuzu/Sasori share the next top spot. It's actually hard to decide. But Sasori has the 3rd Kazekage, which I'm SURE the magnetic sand can hurt Kakuzu's iron skin. Hell, if Tsunade can crack Susanoo, which is supposed to be THE ultimate shield, I'm SURE Kakuzu's iron skin can be penetrated. Also, no one really knows how the poison would play out. Sasori can release huge amounts of poison smoke if he wanted to. Would that hurt all 5 of Kakuzu's hearts?

 

[Stark]

Sasori, EXTREMELY high difficulty. I'd honestly say after Itachi - Kisame/Kakuzu/Sasori share the next top spot. It's actually hard to decide. But Sasori has the 3rd Kazekage, which I'm SURE the magnetic sand can hurt Kakuzu's iron skin. Hell, if Tsunade can crack Susanoo, which is supposed to be THE ultimate shield, I'm SURE Kakuzu's iron skin can be penetrated. Also, no one really knows how the poison would play out. Sasori can release huge amounts of poison smoke if he wanted to. Would that hurt all 5 of Kakuzu's hearts?

True but if he uses wind style he can blow all the poison smoke away.

 

[Joki]

A jutsu much more destructive than a giant Iron Sand spike? care to share?

Dude, I already did. Chouji's spiked boulder was much more destructive than the Iron Sand, I posted the links to them in my very first post in this thread(or 2nd).

Explain the first bolded part, and don't go assuming and preferably post proofs.

I already did this, Kakuzu doesn't have a bloodstream so he wouldn't be affected by the hearts, and I did post proof, as I said everything I said was backed up by proof. I haven't been assuming, you guys are the ones assuming if anything. For example, "Sasori will control Kakuzu like shadow possession" or "Sasori/3rd Kazekage can dodge/block Raiton:Gian despite there being no feats in their name supporting that they're able to in any way what so ever"

Second bolded part: I know that the hearts can move, they don't move by themselves though, Kakuzu controls them, similar to how Sasori controls his puppets, but Sasori has more puppets (298 Human Puppets in his collection) and he can use their KG and special abilities, so Sasori has the advantage here.

Quality>Quantity, even more so in this case. Katon+Fuuton combo does the job quite nicely actually.

Third bolded part: Sakura didn't dodge the World Order attack, she got several scratches from it and she had to heal some of them, and of course she wasn't paralyzed by the poison because of the antidote.

Yeah, she still wasn't entirely impaled or killed like you guys think happens to Kakuzu here. Doton: Domo easily tanks that and since the masks can move they can avoid it, you know they're 100% threads except for the heart part so that's all they have to protect.

First bolded part: The 3rd Kazekage puppet was destroyed because Sasori sent it to kill Sakura, he didn't know that she had an antidote so he thought she was paralyzed from the poison, Kakuzu would not be lucky enough to destroy it, if Sasori uses it for long range attacks only then it'll be ok.

Second bolded part: Sasori showed a great speed feat with the 3rd Kazekage puppet, even Chiyo who fought Hanzo several times (who was known for his shunshin) thought it's fast.

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Yeah he was fooled by Sakura, she tricked him, Kakuzu with 100 years of experience and intelligence who wasn't fazed by Shikamaru wouldn't be able to do the same? Regardless, Raiton: Gian is superior to the speed feats you showed me. Only Kakashi(4.5) was fast enough to intercept it and to boot he needed to use 2 raikiri to intercept. 3rd Kazekage unfortunately as fast as it was, Chiyo was able to block(3.5). it's nowhere near fast enough to dodge Raiton:Gian.

Out of curiosity when was it said he was known for shunshin? I don't remember him being known for shunshin, I remember that he used it once though.

And he showed a great speed feat with his own puppet as well.

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In which Sakura was able to pull out all of his cable before he reached Chiyo, and Chiyo saw him coming the whole way? It's cool and all but again Raiton Gian was faster. Shika/Ino stood there unable to do aynthing, if it weren't for Kakashi(who's faster than Chiyo, Sasori, and 3rd Kazekage puppet) they'd be dead.

Third bolded part: Sasori can block that attack with Iron Sand, the third Kazekage was said to be able to shape the Iron Sand freely with his magnet release, he could create any shape with it, and Sasori can use the same technique, so it'd be easy for him to shape a wall of Iron Sand, nothing from Kakuzu would be able to get through.

Except it hasn't shown any protective power at all, Sakura punched it and it went flying, Katon+Fuuton is far more destructive and who's to say his Raiton won't just pierce through it.

U keep saying he won't be able to use iron sand if his puppet is destroyed, ok well if kakuzus mask are destroyed what then, let go 1v1 now... What's Kakuzu do to kill sasor? Sasori still has he's flames and other puppets and hit jet stream cannos that will slice Kakuzu , Kakuzu would have to rely on close combat and wit sasori been a great long range he won't let his ass do it

Unfortunately you haven't given a logical way for his masks to be destroyed, so it won't happen. Kakuzu will just use Raiton: Gian and his Katon+Fuuton combination, they can't do anything.

 

[Stark]

^ lol pooned

 

[Airjustu]

Sasori there's no doubt

 

[Memoria]

Dude, I already did. Chouji's spiked boulder was much more destructive than the Iron Sand, I posted the links to them in my very first post in this thread(or 2nd).

That's the technique that's much more destructive than a giant Iron Sand spike? when was it stated that it's more destructive? or are you assuming again? well, let me correct you, a giant Iron Sand spike (or block) is the one that's much more destructive, because it has the speed which choji's attack lacks, and it has the size and force necessary behind it, you might've forgot its size, but let me

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And tell me how Kakuzu will deal with

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, it has a wide range so it's extremely hard to avoid it, you can only block it, plus Kakuzu doesn't know anything about the Iron Sand's ability, as he has never fought Sasori, so he will try to block it with his iron skin, what happens next?

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I already did this, Kakuzu doesn't have a bloodstream so he wouldn't be affected by the hearts, and I did post proof, as I said everything I said was backed up by proof. I haven't been assuming, you guys are the ones assuming if anything. For example, "Sasori will control Kakuzu like shadow possession" or "Sasori/3rd Kazekage can dodge/block Raiton:Gian despite there being no feats in their name supporting that they're able to in any way what so ever"

First bolded part: Kakuzu doesn't have a bloodstream? are we assuming again? no one can live without a stream inside their bodies, unless their bodies is fake (like Sasori for example), but Kakuzu's body isn't fake, proof of that is his ability to change his skin with his earth jutsu, if his body is fake he wouldn't be able to change his skin, and nevertheless his threads acts like a bloodstream, they always move inside his body, so they will spread the poison, do your research before assuming please.

Second bolded part: I don't remember saying something like that, if you quoted me then talk about the things I've said please.

Third bolded part: How is that assuming? we know about the 3rd Kazekage puppet that it's fast, or Chiyo wouldn't be surprised when Sasori charged with it, I remember in some translations she said "fast" in her mind, so it IS fast, we aren't assuming here, that lighting jutsu isn't impossible to dodge, with the 3rd Kazekage puppet's speed it could dodge it.

Quality>Quantity, even more so in this case. Katon+Fuuton combo does the job quite nicely actually.

Bolded: How does this saying apply here, Sasori's Human Puppets has the quantity AND the quality, he can use up to 10 Human Puppets with different ability's and tricks, so Sasori still has the advantage here

Yeah, she still wasn't entirely impaled or killed like you guys think happens to Kakuzu here. Doton: Domo easily tanks that and since the masks can move they can avoid it, you know they're 100% threads except for the heart part so that's all they have to protect.

Bolded: Except they're not Sakura, why would Kishi let Sakura die from that attack when she's one of the main characters? you know when plot kicks in, but in this fight there's no plot, and you can't say the hearts would survive it just because Sakura survived it.

Yeah he was fooled by Sakura, she tricked him, Kakuzu with 100 years of experience and intelligence who wasn't fazed by Shikamaru wouldn't be able to do the same? Regardless, Raiton: Gian is superior to the speed feats you showed me. Only Kakashi(4.5) was fast enough to intercept it and to boot he needed to use 2 raikiri to intercept. 3rd Kazekage unfortunately as fast as it was, Chiyo was able to block(3.5). it's nowhere near fast enough to dodge Raiton:Gian.

First bolded part: Kakuzu with his 100 years of experience and intelligence? where was it stated that experience gives intelligence? and his experience didn't help him, he too was fooled by a clone from Naruto, so anyone can be fooled.

Second bolded part: Sasori has 4.5 in speed as well, check it out, and Kakashi intercepted it to protect the others, if he was alone he would've dodged it, same with Sasori, he can either dodge it or block it with the Iron Sand, so it's not that much of a problem IMO, you keep bringing it up like it's unavoidable/unblockable, which is false.

Out of curiosity when was it said he was known for shunshin? I don't remember him being known for shunshin, I remember that he used it once though.

Yes he uses the Shunshin, I'm not sure about him being known for it, but I remember reading it before, nevertheless he uses the Shunshin, so he wouldn't hesitate to use it in one of his fights against Chiyo.

In which Sakura was able to pull out all of his cable before he reached Chiyo, and Chiyo saw him coming the whole way? It's cool and all but again Raiton Gian was faster. Shika/Ino stood there unable to do aynthing, if it weren't for Kakashi(who's faster than Chiyo, Sasori, and 3rd Kazekage puppet) they'd be dead.

First bolded part: That doesn't change the fact that he was too fast, Chiyo was standing there unable to avoid his attack.

Second bolded part: Your proof?

Third bolded part: Your proof of Kakashi being faster than Sasori and the 3rd Kazekage puppet please.

Except it hasn't shown any protective power at all, Sakura punched it and it went flying[, Katon+Fuuton is far more destructive and who's to say his Raiton won't just pierce through it.

Of course Sasori didn't use it for the defense even once, and that's because neither Sakura nor Chiyo had a long range attack, so he didn't need to use it for the defense, he focused on the offense, but against someone like Kakuzu, he would obviously make use of its defensive power.

And Sakura punched it and it went flying? what does that have to do here? again you're comparing Sakura to Kakuzu, just for your information, Sakura just like Tsunade has a monster strength, you compare her punches to Kakuzu's attacks? ok I agree that his fire/wind combo might be more destructive, but it doesn't have the force necessary to pass through a giant Iron Sand wall, it won't even move it, that's the difference between Sakura's super punches and Kakuzu long range attacks.

Unfortunately you haven't given a logical way for his masks to be destroyed, so it won't happen. Kakuzu will just use Raiton: Gian and his Katon+Fuuton combination, they can't do anything.

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will completely mess them up, they have no protection against the spikes.

 

[Joki]

That's the technique that's much more destructive than a giant Iron Sand spike? when was it stated that it's more destructive? or are you assuming again? well, let me correct you, a giant Iron Sand spike (or block) is the one that's much more destructive, because it has the speed which choji's attack lacks, and it has the size and force necessary behind it, you might've forgot its size, but let me

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Ok, it's obvious you didn't read any of my previous posts before you responded to me like I said. So since you think I'm assuming even though I also explicitly said that everything I've said in this thread thus far was backed up by proof allow me to re-post every single link I posted.

First, you're wrong. I didn't forget its size. I've been debating with the people who have posted the same links, I actually posted the links that you posted backing up Sasori before the Sasori supporters did giving them credit. I know how strong it is, Chouji's spiked boulder is just stronger.

Since you think again, I'm assuming, here's the first reposted link.

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. Sorry, Iron Sand can't compare.

And tell me how Kakuzu will deal with

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, it has a wide range so it's extremely hard to avoid it, you can only block it, plus Kakuzu doesn't know anything about the Iron Sand's ability, as he has never fought Sasori, so he will try to block it with his iron skin, what happens next?

What happens? Iron Sand successfully blocks the attack. You don't have to avoid it when your defense is "hard as diamond" and Sakura without any form of defense only took a few scratches from it.

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Uh...Kakuzu isn't a puppet so he won't have a problem there.

First bolded part: Kakuzu doesn't have a bloodstream? are we assuming again? no one can live without a stream inside their bodies, unless their bodies is fake (like Sasori for example), but Kakuzu's body isn't fake, proof of that is his ability to change his skin with his earth jutsu, if his body is fake he wouldn't be able to change his skin, and nevertheless his threads acts like a bloodstream, they always move inside his body, so they will spread the poison, do your research before assuming please.

See? You act as if I didn't post the proof on this before like I said everything I've said was backed up by proof. So thanks for reading my other posts in the thread.

I already said this: Show me 1 panel where Kakuzu bled in a place other than his hearts, go ahead. Kakuzu expelled threads from every point on his body before, he was even cut in half and rips his body parts apart at the seams. It is impossible for him to have a bloodstream. And hell, like I said in a previous post which you clearly haven't seen before: Hidan can talk while beheaded, you seriously think it's of any use saying "Well if he didn't have a bloodstream how would his earth jutsu work"? Besides, that makes no sense anyway lol. But I'm curious to the 'proof' you have about Kakuzu's bloodstream because he has never ever ever ever bled.

Second bolded part: I don't remember saying something like that, if you quoted me then talk about the things I've said please.

I was talking about someone else that said that, as I said everything I've ever said as to why Kakuzu would win is backed up by proof. You guys on the other hand..not so much.

Third bolded part: How is that assuming? we know about the 3rd Kazekage puppet that it's fast, or Chiyo wouldn't be surprised when Sasori charged with it, I remember in some translations she said "fast" in her mind, so it IS fast, we aren't assuming here, that lighting jutsu isn't impossible to dodge, with the 3rd Kazekage puppet's speed it could dodge it.

Er..because you haven't posted anything that says otherwise. You posted lackluster speed from Sasori and someone far slower than Kakashi managing to react to his attacks. If anything you hurt your own argument, there's absolutely 0 support that suggests Sasori could dodge an attack like that. And block it? Show me a scan of it defending against something anywhere near an attack that is on the level of Raikiri's piercing power.

Unfortunately that's where you're wrong and where you're assuming again. Go ahead and post the panels then of how 3rd Kazekage has good enough speed to dodge.

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's the Gian panel again before you try and say I'm "assuming" something. They can't do anything. I'm going to need your proof on how they can dodge now if you don't mind

Bolded: How does this saying apply here, Sasori's Human Puppets has the quantity AND the quality, he can use up to 10 Human Puppets with different ability's and tricks, so Sasori still has the advantage here

Lol wat? No they don't, Sakura was taking them out with basic taijutsu by punching them, they're fodder. Kakuzu vaporizes them, you

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Bolded: Except they're not Sakura, why would Kishi let Sakura die from that attack when she's one of the main characters? you know when plot kicks in, but in this fight there's no plot, and you can't say the hearts would survive it just because Sakura survived it.

Lol, plot no jutsu. Riight. On the other hand, Kakashi intercepting Raiton was plot, why would Kishi let Shikamaru or Chouji die(also 2 of his favorite characters)? There's no way he could intercept it normally. Yeah, I don't like this BS logic. It still happened, Sakura evaded most of the spikes and took literally 0 damage other than a few scratches. Hearts would survive, they're a much much smaller target.

First bolded part: Kakuzu with his 100 years of experience and intelligence? where was it stated that experience gives intelligence? and his experience didn't help him, he too was fooled by a clone from Naruto, so anyone can be fooled.

That's something called arrogance. You're right "anyone can be fooled", which is why if anything Sasori will lose here for that reason. He was fooled by Sakura, Kakuzu will have no trouble

Second bolded part: Sasori has 4.5 in speed as well, check it out, and Kakashi intercepted it to protect the others, if he was alone he would've dodged it, same with Sasori, he can either dodge it or block it with the Iron Sand, so it's not that much of a problem IMO, you keep bringing it up like it's unavoidable/unblockable, which is false.

Ok, having a 4.5 in the DB with absolutely no support for that 4.5=being able to dodge an attack as fast as Raiton: Gian? I'm calling BS on this. Post anything impressive from Sasori that suggests he could dodge such an attack, or he can't. You know there are only like 10 ranks in the DB right? So anyone with an equal statistic is the exact same speed no exceptions? More so, 3rd Kazekage puppet in no way shares the same statistic as Sasori, even if Sasori could dodge there's nothing to suggest 3rd puppet could do the same either way.

Yes he uses the Shunshin, I'm not sure about him being known for it, but I remember reading it before, nevertheless he uses the Shunshin, so he wouldn't hesitate to use it in one of his fights against Chiyo.

Well that's a basic shinobi ability but alright lol.

First bolded part: That doesn't change the fact that he was too fast, Chiyo was standing there unable to avoid his attack.

Who has a 3.5 and absolutely no speed feats in her name? Ok that's cool, Raiton was barely intercepted by a 4.5 and he had to use 2 raikiri to neutralize it.

Second bolded part: Your proof?

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Third bolded part: Your proof of Kakashi being faster than Sasori and the 3rd Kazekage puppet please.

Ok, kept up with Itachi in taijutsu, Sasuke in taijutsu, chidori was faster than Sasori even in Gaiden, purportedly cut lightning in half w/ chidori, eyes tracked Lee's movements in gates, saved Naruto from Tobi, and the Kamui feats like kamuing/reacting to a Susano'o Arrow if you want to count them, IDK what crap you're asking for here lol but there are plenty. Far more than Sasori ever showed ,the 2 ones that you consider "impressive" which are mediocre at best when compared against Gian.

Of course Sasori didn't use it for the defense even once, and that's because neither Sakura nor Chiyo had a long range attack, so he didn't need to use it for the defense, he focused on the offense, but against someone like Kakuzu, he would obviously make use of its defensive power.

That's cool, since he won't be able to dodge to Gian there's no point, he has no way to put up a defence against Gian. How will he know Kakuzu has a long ranged attack until it's too late? and 3rd Kazekage is too slow to do anything as well.

And Sakura punched it and it went flying? what does that have to do here? again you're comparing Sakura to Kakuzu, just for your information, Sakura just like Tsunade has a monster strength, you compare her punches to Kakuzu's attacks? ok I agree that his fire/wind combo might be more destructive, but it doesn't have the force necessary to pass through a giant Iron Sand wall, it won't even move it, that's the difference between Sakura's super punches and Kakuzu long range attacks.

Err..yeah bolded part is kind of the reason I mentioned Sakura. So, yeah it does have enough power, Iron Sand has never defended against anything anywhere near as destructive, even Sakura's punches did a number on them. That was the point.

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will completely mess them up, they have no protection against the spikes.

Other than moving? Chiyo reacted and defended Sakura and Chiyo both, the masks have a small radius to where attacks will actually hurt them, the rest is threads and won't matter in the slightest. Besides, Raiton:Gian is faster than those attacks, it will destroy 3rd Kazekage or see above when I posted like 6 links of his attacks to see the Iron Sand being destroyed.

So yeah , like I said everything I've said in this thread was backed up by proof, I'm not assuming anything. You ignored like 99% of my other posts if you think that I was assuming lol. But yeah, I'm going to need some "proof" that Sasori or 3rd Kazekage is anywhere near fast enough now, I gave my proof. (and reposted it lol)

 

[Bogard]

For those who think Sasori is stronger, there are 2great problems that prove in the contrary he can't:
- He has no jutsus powerful enough to go through Kakuzus doton defense
- He can't kill Kakuzu five times. Seriously, do you think Kakuzu will commit the same error five times(knowing his experience in battle, he even fought Shodai hokage) without doing something to kill Sasori before?

And i also add that Sasori is a static fighter who needs time to control his puppets. Against Kakuzus and his monsters who possess strong and fast attacks(hidan even said Kakashi was the 1st one to survive their combos. That shows how fast it is), he won't last long. Have you seen the range and scale of his jutsus? Fuuton for example? He will destroy all Sasoris puppets without too much problems and with his doton defense, he risk nothing.

He is simply a bad match-up for Sasori. He can't win kakuzu

 

[Stark]

For those who think Sasori is stronger, there are 2great problems that prove in the contrary he can't:
- He has no jutsus powerful enough to go through Kakuzus doton defense
- He can't kill Kakuzu five times. Seriously, do you think Kakuzu will commit the same error five times(knowing his experience in battle, he even fought Shodai hokage) without doing something to kill Sasori before?

And i also add that Sasori is a static fighter who needs time to control his puppets. Against Kakuzus and his monsters who possess strong and fast attacks(hidan even said Kakashi was the 1st one to survive their combos. That shows how fast it is), he won't last long. Have you seen the range and scale of his jutsus? Fuuton for example? He will destroy all Sasoris puppets without too much problems and with his doton defense, he risk nothing.

He is simply a bad match-up for Sasori. He can't win kakuzu

Exactly 5 lives and far more combat experience pays off, Kakuzu would be a wrong matchup for Sasori. Sasori's only hope is his 3rd Kazekage puppet with iron sand but once that's destroyed its done. Sasori has one life, and it's an easy target for a ninja like Kakuzu. Kakuzu's techniques cover large areas at a time and his elements are mixed with each other to make a more powerful attack.

 

[Puppet Sage Mode]

Hahahah Kakuzu didn't get out smarted by shikamaru but he got out smarted by naruto what's that tell u idiot, 100 of experience means nothing if a jackass tricks u hahaha try again

 

[Bogard]

Hahahah Kakuzu didn't get out smarted by shikamaru but he got out smarted by naruto what's that tell u idiot, 100 of experience means nothing if a jackass tricks u hahaha try again

Naruto also outsmarted Pain. Does that mean he is weak?? It was only plot no jutsu cuz Naruto is the main character that's all. But it's better than Sasori who get killed by a old woman and Sakura, one of the weakest ninja everU_U

 

[Memoria]

Ok, it's obvious you didn't read any of my previous posts before you responded to me like I said. So since you think I'm assuming even though I also explicitly said that everything I've said in this thread thus far was backed up by proof allow me to re-post every single link I posted.

That's what I wanted from you, was it that hard?

First, you're wrong. I didn't forget its size. I've been debating with the people who have posted the same links, I actually posted the links that you posted backing up Sasori before the Sasori supporters did giving them credit. I know how strong it is, Chouji's spiked boulder is just stronger.

On that we disagree, I can start a thread about it and let people decide.

Since you think again, I'm assuming, here's the first reposted link.

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. Sorry, Iron Sand can't compare.

Is that the technique you think is more destructive than the Iron Sand? well, let me show you the destructive power of a

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, you can see the surface was destroyed even though the spike wasn't directed towards it, it hit it and kept moving towards the wall and pierced through it, if Sasori didn't stop it it would've completely destroyed the wall, but Sasori's target is Sakura, not the wall.

And here you see the

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, not as powerful as the spike, but we should not forget about it... Still think it can't compare? lol

Sakura without any form of defense only took a few scratches from it.

A few scratches from it? you mean Chiyo protected her from the attack? I think you're talking about the World Method attack, which is not our subject here. lol

Uh...Kakuzu isn't a puppet so he won't have a problem there.

Talking without proof I see, the Iron Sand attacks are better dodged, when they're blocked they will be attached to the target to slow their movements, there's a difference between taking a scratch from it and blocking it straight on.

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, and let me save you the trouble, there's no proof that this rule apply only on puppets.

I already said this: Show me 1 panel where Kakuzu bled in a place other than his hearts, go ahead. Kakuzu expelled threads from every point on his body before, he was even cut in half and rips his body parts apart at the seams. It is impossible for him to have a bloodstream. And hell, like I said in a previous post which you clearly haven't seen before: Hidan can talk while beheaded, you seriously think it's of any use saying "Well if he didn't have a bloodstream how would his earth jutsu work"? Besides, that makes no sense anyway lol. But I'm curious to the 'proof' you have about Kakuzu's bloodstream because he has never ever ever ever bled.

Well, I'll repeat what I said, but with some manga panels to support my point. Kakuzu just like anyone else (other than Sasori obviously, who transferred himself into a core) needs a stream inside his body, he can't live without it, he has a heart which streams blood, his heart even though it died

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(after Kakashi has pierced it and took some of its blood), he was affected by Hidan's ability

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(which uses blood), that proves he can't live without a blood, and his threads which moves constantly inside his body acts as a bloodstream, so no point in arguing about that endlessly.

there's absolutely 0 support that suggests Sasori could dodge an attack like that. And block it? Show me a scan of it defending against something anywhere near an attack that is on the level of Raikiri's piercing power.

I already posted a speed feat of Sasori's 3rd Kazekage puppet, and another speed feat of his own puppet, but I guess I have to re-post them..

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You think he still can't dodge that attack even after the speed feats I showed you? besides, Sasori has 4.5 in speed on the Databook, his speed applies to his puppets, no point arguing endlessly about that.

Bolded: You compare the piercing power of an S-Ranked technique to that of a B-Ranked one? I think I don't need to tell you your mistake, but I would be disappointed if you don't notice it...

Unfortunately that's where you're wrong and where you're assuming again. Go ahead and post the panels then of how 3rd Kazekage has good enough speed to dodge.

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's the Gian panel again before you try and say I'm "assuming" something. They can't do anything. I'm going to need your proof on how they can dodge now if you don't mind

Proof? Sasori has 4.5 in speed, and his speed applies to his puppets, you want manga panels of their speeds? I think I've posted it above.

Lol wat? No they don't, Sakura was taking them out with basic taijutsu by punching them, they're fodder. Kakuzu vaporizes them, you

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First bolded part: You obviously are talking about his Performance of a 100 Puppets, which proves, sorry to say it, that your reading skills is not that good, I was talking about his Human Puppets,

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, the Third Kazekage puppet is one of them, as well as Hiruko.

Sasori still has the advantage here, no point arguing about that endlessly.

Second bolded part: That's cool, in 5 words you wrote every offensive technique Kakuzu has, grats, but almost all of them are B-Ranked, and they can be either evaded or blocked with an Iron Sand wall.

Sakura evaded most of the spikes and took literally 0 damage other than a few scratches. Hearts would survive, they're a much much smaller target.

First Bolded part: The first time she was controlled by Chiyo, the second time she was also protected by Chiyo, and she survived the World Method attack with several scratches, she had to heal the big wounds, and as I said before she wasn't affected by the poison because she used an antidote.

Second Bolded part: That's your proof?

That's something called arrogance. You're right "anyone can be fooled", which is why if anything Sasori will lose here for that reason. He was fooled by Sakura, Kakuzu will have no trouble

Bolded: You say Sasori will lose just because he was fooled? as I said anyone can be fooled, even Kakuzu was fooled by a clone, at least Sasori was fooled because he thought she was poisoned, and she should, but because she studied his poison when she saved Kankuro from it, she prepared an antidote when she knew he works with poison, and he didn't know about that, that's why he was fooled, at least he wasn't fooled by a clone. lol

Ok, having a 4.5 in the DB with absolutely no support for that 4.5=being able to dodge an attack as fast as Raiton: Gian? I'm calling BS on this. Post anything impressive from Sasori that suggests he could dodge such an attack, or he can't. You know there are only like 10 ranks in the DB right? So anyone with an equal statistic is the exact same speed no exceptions? More so, 3rd Kazekage puppet in no way shares the same statistic as Sasori, even if Sasori could dodge there's nothing to suggest 3rd puppet could do the same either way.

First bolded part: Well the manga and the databooks are all Kishi's, if you want to accept the manga facts then you should accept the databooks facts, you can't argue against it.

Second bolded part: I already posted two speed feats regarding Sasori and his 3rd Kazekage puppet, I dunno why you're still arguing about that.

Third bolded part: Sasori's speed applies to his puppets, whether you like it or not, in fact the 3rd Kazekage puppet might be even faster, considering it's a puppet.

Well that's a basic shinobi ability but alright lol.

Not all shinobi use the Shunshin.

Who has a 3.5 and absolutely no speed feats in her name? Ok that's cool, Raiton was barely intercepted by a 4.5 and he had to use 2 raikiri to neutralize it.

Chiyo has 4 in speed, as I always say do your research before posting, and even though she had 4 in speed, she was standing helpless unable to dodge Sasori's attack, that should give you even the slightest idea of what Sasori's speed is, and that was a real speed feat, not something like "Even Shikamaru and Choji couldn't dodge it!", what does Shikamaru and Choji has in speed? 2.5 for Shikamaru, and 2 for Choji, is that too impressive that they couldn't dodge False Darkness? No, Kakashi with his 4.5 in speed could've easily dodged that technique, but he chose to block it in order to protect the others.

Ok, kept up with Itachi in taijutsu, Sasuke in taijutsu, chidori was faster than Sasori even in Gaiden, purportedly cut lightning in half w/ chidori, eyes tracked Lee's movements in gates, saved Naruto from Tobi, and the Kamui feats like kamuing/reacting to a Susano'o Arrow if you want to count them, IDK what crap you're asking for here lol but there are plenty. Far more than Sasori ever showed ,the 2 ones that you consider "impressive" which are mediocre at best when compared against Gian.

Oh cool, you showed some taijutsu and speed feats, but that still doesn't prove Kakashi > Sasori in speed, having more feats doesn't mean he's faster, they both has 4.5 in speed and Sasori showed great speed feats despite the fact that he's not one of the main characters, he simply didn't have as much screen time as Kakashi, or he'd have showed more feats.

And I dunno about the first bolded part, I think you're assuming here again, and the second bolded part was countered above, no point in arguing about that endlessly.

That's cool, since he won't be able to dodge to Gian there's no point, he has no way to put up a defence against Gian. How will he know Kakuzu has a long ranged attack until it's too late? and 3rd Kazekage is too slow to do anything as well.

As I said before he will dodge it, he showed a great speed feats plus he has 4.5 in speed, and the one who has more intelligence will figure the other one's abilities faster, and that's Sasori, who has 5 in intelligence, unlike Kakuzu who has 4.5, plus Sasori is a

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, he doesn't only have high intelligence.

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Err..yeah bolded part is kind of the reason I mentioned Sakura. So, yeah it does have enough power, Iron Sand has never defended against anything anywhere near as destructive, even Sakura's punches did a number on them. That was the point.

Bolded: Because Sasori never used it as a defense? and again you compare Sakura's punches to Kakuzu's attacks, I think I'll have to repeat what I said, Sakura's punches has the force Kakuzu's attacks lacks, they have destructive powers but they don't have the force to break through or move the Iron Sand.

By force I mean something like destroying Susanoo's ribcage, something Kakuzu's attacks would never achieve.

Other than moving? Chiyo reacted and defended Sakura and Chiyo both, the masks have a small radius to where attacks will actually hurt them, the rest is threads and won't matter in the slightest. Besides, Raiton:Gian is faster than those attacks, it will destroy 3rd Kazekage or see above when I posted like 6 links of his attacks to see the Iron Sand being destroyed.

First bolded part: Nowhere were it stated that they would survive attacks if it wasn't directed at their masks/hearts, unless you have a proof.

they're not entirely threads, they have something like a

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, that black liquid must be their blood, if so then poison will paralyze them.

 

[Yuffosan]

I think Sasori will win this. Sasori is actually immortal too ya know...More immortal than Kakuzu since Kakuzu is only immortal cuz he has 5 hearts. Well, 6 vs 100. Tough luck for Kakuzu. Sasori has his secret poisons that can eventually do some severe damage to Kakuzu. And don't forget, Sasori has that wicked 3rd Kazekage puppet with the Iron Sand and all it's secret weapons. Sasori should win this with high difficulty.

 

[Memoria]

Naruto also outsmarted Pain. Does that mean he is weak?? It was only plot no jutsu cuz Naruto is the main character that's all. But it's better than Sasori who get killed by a old woman and Sakura, one of the weakest ninja everU_U

Sasori wasn't really killed by an old lady and Sakura like what you say, he saw Chiyo's last attack, had an opening, but he didn't try to avoid,

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Why didn't he avoid Chiyo's last attack? he accepted being

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And you talk about Chiyo like she's some random old lady, I'm sure she would defeat Naruto at that time.

I think Sasori will win this. Sasori is actually immortal too ya know...More immortal than Kakuzu since Kakuzu is only immortal cuz he has 5 hearts. Well, 6 vs 100. Tough luck for Kakuzu. Sasori has his secret poisons that can eventually do some severe damage to Kakuzu. And don't forget, Sasori has that wicked 3rd Kazekage puppet with the Iron Sand and all it's secret weapons. Sasori should win this with high difficulty.

Not 6, he has 5 hearts including his own.

 

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Sasori wasn't really killed by an old lady and Sakura like what you say, he saw Chiyo's last attack, had an opening, but he didn't try to avoid,

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Why didn't he avoid Chiyo's last attack? he accepted being

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And you talk about Chiyo like she's some random old lady, I'm sure she would defeat Naruto at that time.



Not 6, he has 5 hearts including his own.

Well, there's the Earth heart (which is his own), the fire heart, the wind, water, and lightning. Hey, I did the math and you're right xd anyway, see,! There ya go folks! 5 vs 298 puppets. Good luck Kakuzu.