[Theory] Sage mode requirements

[psukkar]

Lately I have been thinking about sage mode and it's orgins and something intresting came to my attention when I did some extra manga reading on sage mode and the toads.

ONLY 4 shinobi have used sage mode, this is quite staggering. Naruto and Jiraiya are sages of recent times the only other two sages are Ma and Pa frog and they are approx 800 years old. So at least 800 years has past until the next two sages appeared (Naruto and Jiraiya). As you can see there's a very short list to the sage club. Note there's alot of shinobi that have failed in the past,all the frog stone statues at toad mountain.

So far all we know about sage mode is you need large amounts of chakra AND guts. There must have been shinobi in the past with those attriubes and yet so many have failed. Not even many toads can use sage mode, only Pa and Ma frog can use it so a Toad contract deosn't increase the chances either.

There must be unquie requirement to use sage mode simular to bloodline limits, only time will tell.

Some people are thiniking that Sage mode is a bloodline limit but there has been 4 sages all of which are not genetically related. So bloodline limit is not a good way to describe this rareity in the history of Naruto.

A possible theory going aroind is, maybe just like how a shinobi has an affinty to a certain nature element like wind, a shinobi may need an affinity to Natural energy to use sage mode. This could explain why only 4 shinobi in the history of Naruto have used sage mode.

This quite intresting and I'm hoping Kishi elabotrates more about Sage Mode's orgin.

 

[NipponIchi]

who are the four sages? are you referring to naruto's contact signing scroll? because i had made a thread previously stating that there were 5 names before naruto signed to the contract (obviously 2 of them were jiraiya and minato) however minato did not use sage mode (either he couldnt or didnt want to?)

EDIT: sorry you mean your 4 sages as in ma pa, naruto and jiraya right..

 

[psukkar]

who are the four sages? are you referring to naruto's contact signing scroll? because i had made a thread previously stating that there were 5 names before naruto signed to the contract (obviously 2 of them were jiraiya and minato) however minato did not use sage mode (either he couldnt or didnt want to?)

EDIT: sorry you mean your 4 sages as in ma pa, naruto and jiraya right..

Yes Im referring to the shinobi to used sage mode.

The scroll only shows who was in contract with the toads. Only a small portion of the scroll was shown (previous 5 contracts), there's far more than 5 other people who were in contact with the toads.

 

[NipponIchi]

maybe since the scroll seems to be thick as. its weird how they call it senjutsu.. its as if the senju clan's were the one who were the first user's of sennin mode..

 

[Honord Sage]

Sage Mode will always have a small number of member,it's requirement are just to Hight for most Ninjas,its like the Marines a few good Men. How many try for the Marines, Seals,Rangers and Green Berets so Many try so few make it. Elite groups are always small in number. So The Few, The Proud, The Sage's.

 

[~+h0lLy-cRab+~]

Yeah but in naruto's case if pa didnt help he would be a frog :X so anyway i think it depends-even if it is a liitle, on pa (or ma) cause pa could help those other frogs and human to master the sage mode with that stick ? What do you think ? Be free to comment

 

[NipponIchi]

Yeah but in naruto's case if pa didnt help he would be a frog :X so anyway i think it depends-even if it is a liitle, on pa (or ma) cause pa could help those other frogs and human to master the sage mode with that stick ? What do you think ? Be free to comment

dude do you read the manga? or do you lack common sense..

 

[Honord Sage]

Every body at first starts changing to a frog when first expose to it, the difference is how fast it happens if it's too fast Pa cannot save you, that why you got so many statues by the fall.

 

[Blizzard589]

Hey psukkar I like how you ran off and never admitted defeat in that other thread about Kakashi's chakra natures when you were clearly wrong.

Anyways, on topic. I agree with you here that they must have some special qualifications to be able to use sage mode. However, there is no evidence that there are only 4 sages ever. There may have been more peppered through history but there's really no reason to spend any time discussing them because they're irrelevant. You're forgetting one known sage anyway: the Great Toad Sage of Myoboku Mountain (the old geezer toad that sees the visions or w/e). Another likely candidate is Rikudou Sennin but this is just a guess. He was the father of ninjutsu and all so maybe senjutsu as well...

 

[StealthShinobi]

u forgot to mention minato cuz when ma and pa said that he has surpassed its previous users both minato and jiraya apeared meaning that minato was also a sage.

 

[Blizzard589]

u forgot to mention minato cuz when ma and pa said that he has surpassed its previous users both minato and jiraya apeared meaning that minato was also a sage.

That's not enough evidence to say he was a Sage. Minato was never said/shown to ever be in Sage mode and we've seen/heard several tales of his exploits. Jiraiya and Minato were shown then because one is his mentor and one is his father and both were strong as crap, Sage mode or not.

 

[xxbkrawkxx]

maybe it has something to do with the old geezers prophecy ??
i say YES !

 

[Honord Sage]

The only thing for sure we can say about Minato is that He learn the summoning jutsu from Jiraiya. Wether He was a Sage or not is not yet evident, Naruto was using the Summoning for years before He became a Sage, maybe Minato did not have the time or ability to be a Sage. Maybe the next Naruto movie set in the past will reveal if Minato was a Sage. We will have to wait till Naruto Shippuden 4 comes out.

 

[Sir Creaper]

i understand what you re saying about the blood line it is not far fetched to think that the two of them are family just two branches of the same tree. just a thought

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

I am so tired of explaining that Minato wasn't a Sage based on the current evidence that it is not even funny.

We know he can summon. That does not make him a Sage. In order to be a Sage, you have to have a high chakra level to draw in Natural energy. That is why it is best suited for people like Jiraiya, Naruto, Kisame and other people who can fight endlessly. Look at Jiraiya's battles. It's ninjutsu after ninjutsu with him because he has high chakra. Kakashi couldn't pull that off. Naruto could if he had knowledge of more ninjutsu. We have NO evidence to support that Minato had the chakra level of Jiraiya or Naruto. Naruto's chakra being high is a result of him being the Kyuubi jinchuuriki. His healing ability is also from the Kyuubi as well. Minato wasn't the jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi.

Minato MAY have been a Sage, but it is unlikely because I am sure that Fukasaku would have mentioned it to Naruto during the training. He would have said "It took the 4th a long time to master this".

 

[Honord Sage]

True thats why I say wait till 4 comes out Naruto goes to the pass and fights along His father we can then see all the abilities His father has.

 

[Sir Creaper]

i agree we will have to wait till the 4th movie

 

[xxbkrawkxx]

ive never seen any hint that minato was a sage
and he doesnt even need to be , considering his type of jutsus

 

[Suigetsu13]

I honestly think that Minato was not a sage, because just cause you can summon somthing doesnt mean that you are sage, plent of people can summon and they are not sage.

 

[uhIpooped]

I've been wondering why it is only frogs that have sage mode... What I mean by that is..

take the 3 Sennin (which I understand to mean Sage or Immortal one)

If J-man was a Sage.. Why couldnt Tsunade learn Sage techs from her slugs, and Oro from his snakes after all they are 'nature' creatures and prolly have their own jutsu's ...

Also, why couldn't say Nagato have learned Sage mode ... especially if he were SO6P incarnate...