Rikudou Killer Bee vs DMS Kakashi

[KeyofDestiny]

I gave you proof nerd.

No you didn't. I'm 99% sure you don't even know what you are typing right now.

You always say that because you think that susanoo he showed there would be equal to his normal perfect susanoo thus the reason why you believe his susanoo is far below Madara's in thats what you down scale it to but if your downscaling was correct His susanoo at VOTE would be faster than the Avatar yet its not.

Once again. No.

1. Rikudo BM=Rikudo PS.
2. Minus Rikudo.
3. PS=BM.
4. Senjutsu Kyuubi Susanoo=BSM.
5. Minus Senjutsu.
6. Kyuubi Susanoo=BM.
7. Kyuubi Susanoo=PS.

Where is the bold even coming from? Why would Rikudo PS be stronger than Rikudo BM when BM and PS are equal, and get an equal boost?

Yes but backed up with logical feats as i explained about Kurama and the naruto thing and especially with hagoromo yin in theory = the body what is the body your physical attributes and it would make since to be stronger.

What? YANG is the physical energy. Besides, Yin or Yang, doesn't matter. Speed is influenced by the strength of the chakra, not by whether or not it's Yang.

Except that it does not because the kurama that RSM naruto posses is the one Minato had a previously.

Lmao. Please read before you reply. You stated that YIN Chakra>YANG Chakra when it comes to speed boosts. YIN KCM Minato being slower than YANG KCM Naruto proves that wrong. RSM has jack to do with anything here.

 

[Unorthodox]

No you didn't. I'm 99% sure you don't even know what you are typing right now.

I actually do

Once again. No.
1. Rikudo BM=Rikudo PS.
2. Minus Rikudo.
3. PS=BM.
4. Senjutsu Kyuubi Susanoo=BSM.
5. Minus Senjutsu.
6. Kyuubi Susanoo=BM.
7. Kyuubi Susanoo=PS.

Once again you disagree with yourself

Lol, no it doesn't. Scaling shows that Sasuke's PS down scales to the same general level as the Susanoo he used to fight Juubito. (Same durability, same speed, etc, just like Rikudo BM and Rikudo PS)
So no. EMS Madara's PS is not equal to Sasuke's, it's above. Stop giving Madara's feats over to Sasuke. Sasuke has no feats, hype, or logical reasoning that would put his PS dead equal with Madara's.

Kidgamer when someone calls you a donkey you get a second opinion when 2 people calls you a donkey look in the mirror when 3 people call you a donkey get a saddle your logic always falls apart on each other in this is after the manga ended so i change my mind is not an excuse

Where is the bold even coming from? Why would Rikudo PS be stronger than Rikudo BM when BM and PS are equal, and get an equal boost?

read above

What? YANG is the physical energy. Besides, Yin or Yang, doesn't matter. Speed is influenced by the strength of the chakra, not by whether or not it's Yang.

You know what i mean confused ying with yang or what ever one is which all i know is one with the body chakra/energy would be faster in Naruto has that one so it still helps my case. Base of what is speed influenced by the strength.

Lmao. Please read before you reply. You stated that YIN Chakra>YANG Chakra when it comes to speed boosts. YIN KCM Minato being slower than YANG KCM Naruto proves that wrong. RSM has jack to do with anything here.

I confused the yin and yang you knew what i mean.

 

[NarutoX28]

The first part is true, and the rest is an assumption. One based of of nothing and impossible considering he doesn't take in Nature Energy like he does for regular Sage Mode.

First part is true; that's good. Glad I wasn't making any misconceptions here.

He doesn't take in Natural Energy like he used to for Regular Sage Mode due to having far larger reserves which would allow him to draw in more Natural Energy all at once due to the fact that it has to be proportionate to Naruto's Physical and Spiritual Energies.

Completely false again.

Oh shit. Now I know it's not time to mess with you once you start refuting my arguments.

1. No pigmentation=Rikudo Senjutsu.

If the lack of pigmentation was an indicator, then it would have been noted within the manga. What I can gather from that is it likely could've been when Naruto's Toad Senjutsu augmented Hagoromo's Chakra that Naruto received, but it's difficult to tell.

Edit: Though you could create an argument that in Gaiden, Naruto's Sage Mode retained his pigmentations and I honestly have no way to explain that.

2. DB states that Rikudo Sage Mode is why he can kick the Gudo Dama.

Doesn't mean it's necessary. Sasuke seems to imply only Rikudou Chakra is needed as he could stand on a Gudodama and use it as a foothold.

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3. Already explained why Toad eyes make no difference.

Then there's something I must be missing then because I'm sure I responded to your arguments.

Irrelevant.

It wasn't really a key point, just an indication that Naruto was using Senjutsu and I already explained why he couldn't have been using RSM.

False.

Can you please explain why?

Irrelevant. Madara not piecing together the puzzles means nothing when all other established facts disagree with everything that you are saying.

I refuted those "established facts".

It is actually a huge indication as Kishimoto clearly depicted what features composes RSM and the Rinnegan when he had Juubidara refer to it as such. If lack of pigmentation was a factor, it would've been commented upon within the manga.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

I actually do

You don't.

Once again you disagree with yourself

Lol. This is why I don't take anything you say seriously anymore. You never have proof of your own so you have to try and get my own word. Why don't you go look for the argument where DA convinced me that it scales down to BM and not BSM while you are busy digging in my old quotes? I've been saying this same stuff

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now son. :lol What's worse is that what I say 5 months later is what I say because it's correct. I'm not going to keep wrong interpretations of stuff so that unorothodox doesn't come crying to me, whining and complaining about my logic "backfiring" on me.

When you can actually get me recent contradictions then we can talk.

Kidgamer when someone calls you a donkey you get a second opinion when 2 people calls you a donkey look in the mirror when 3 people call you a donkey get a saddle your logic always falls apart on each other in this is after the manga ended so i change my mind is not an excuse

When those 3 people are people I consistently argue with and consistently own, no. I don't take a word of it seriously.

You know what i mean confused ying with yang or what ever one is which all i know is one with the body chakra/energy would be faster in Naruto has that one so it still helps my case. Base of what is speed influenced by the strength.

Baseless assumption that Yang chakra boosts physical speed more than Yin Chakra. Irrelevant assumption too while we are at it, because that'd mean that Naruto would be faster at VoTE, and he's not.

Not to mention Hagoromo just gave them his chakra. Not his Yin chakra or his Yang Chakra.

I confused the yin and yang you knew what i mean.

No, I didn't. Lol, because the other option makes no sense.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

First part is true; that's good. Glad I wasn't making any misconceptions here.

He doesn't take in Natural Energy like he used to for Regular Sage Mode due to having far larger reserves which would allow him to draw in more Natural Energy all at once due to the fact that it has to be proportionate to Naruto's Physical and Spiritual Energies.

Wrong. He doesn't take in Nature Energy period. There is no "he's taking in a bunch of it but at a faster rate". He doesn't take it in at all.

-Shown during The Last.
-Shown in Gaiden.
-Shown both times he enters RSM in the Manga.

Oh shit. Now I know it's not time to mess with you once you start refuting my arguments.

Already refuted this argument. No reason to do it again in the same post.


If the lack of pigmentation was an indicator, then it would have been noted within the manga. What I can gather from that is it likely could've been when Naruto's Toad Senjutsu augmented Hagoromo's Chakra that Naruto received, but it's difficult to tell.

Edit: Though you could create an argument that in Gaiden, Naruto's Sage Mode retained his pigmentations and I honestly have no way to explain that.

It's clearly because to enter regular Sage Mode, he takes in regular Nature Energy. To enter RSM, he uses Hagoromo's Senjutsu instead of taking in Nature Energy.

Doesn't mean it's necessary. Sasuke seems to imply only Rikudou Chakra is needed as he could stand on a Gudodama and use it as a foothold.

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Irrelevant and wrong. DB states that Rikudo Sage Mode is WHY Naruto could kick the Gudo Dama then and there, meaning that the DB is obviously saying that he kicked them because he was in RSM.

Standing on a platform can be done by anyone.

Then there's something I must be missing then because I'm sure I responded to your arguments.

You responded, you just weren't correct. Not by a long shot.

It wasn't really a key point, just an indication that Naruto was using Senjutsu and I already explained why he couldn't have been using RSM.

You didn't.

Can you please explain why?

Already did in the post you just refuted, and this one.

I refuted those "established facts".

You didn't.

It is actually a huge indication as Kishimoto clearly depicted what features composes RSM and the Rinnegan when he had Juubidara refer to it as such. If lack of pigmentation was a factor, it would've been commented upon within the manga.

What you think the Manga should've commented on doesn't matter when the databook makes it clear that the mode he used YRS in is the cloaked mode.

 

[Unorthodox]

You don't.






Lol. This is why I don't take anything you say seriously anymore. You never have proof of your own so you have to try and get my own word. Why don't you go look for the argument where DA convinced me that it scales down to BM and not BSM while you are busy digging in my old quotes? I've been saying this same stuff

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now son. :lol What's worse is that what I say 5 months later is what I say because it's correct. I'm not going to keep wrong interpretations of stuff so that unorothodox doesn't come crying to me, whining and complaining about my logic "backfiring" on me.

When you can actually get me recent contradictions then we can talk.



When those 3 people are people I consistently argue with and consistently own, no. I don't take a word of it seriously.






Baseless [/B ]assumption that Yang chakra boosts physical speed more than Yin Chakra. Irrelevant assumption too while we are at it, because that'd mean that Naruto would be faster at VoTE, and he's not.

Not to mention Hagoromo just gave them his chakra. Not his Yin chakra or his Yang Chakra.




No, I didn't. Lol, because the other option makes no sense.

well i did not know you changed your mind on the topic because it was in a vm message you never said it in a vs thread

 

[KeyofDestiny]

well i did not know you changed your mind on the topic because it was in a vm message you never said it in a vs thread

This is why we stop taking shit from 5 months ago and trying to get on my case because I realized I was wrong. Pretty ironic since you and others complain when I hold on to my views, but the moment I switch them the same people come complaining about me switching.

This is why I do not aim to please.

 

[Beans2]

Bee can spew forth large amounts of ink line of sight is blocked thus counters kamui snipe

KeyOfDestiny how is Rikudou PS automatically > Rikudou Hachibi b/c someone else's reg PS>Reg Hachibi? Even if DMS Kakashi could use PS without Rikudous chakra it would be way weaker than EMS Sasuke's due to lacking chakra potency that comes with EMS, then there's the fact that regular Hachibi protected himself from the Juubi's laser with its tails, something which would do heavy damage to EMS Sasuke's PS or possibly destroy it. Considering Bee would receive a boost far superior to Kakashi, I see PS doing neglible damage to Hachibi especially if he blocks its attacks with his tails.

If Kakashi throws kamui shuriken at Bee he intercepts them with TBB if kamui shuriken are used as meelee weapons he blocks with his tails so the tails get warped away instead of himself while simultaneously charging TBB so it explodes right in Kakahis face (Bee already tanked his TbB in canon so its no issue here.) or maybe Bee can just shoot him down before Kakashi closes the gap.

Intangibility is a btch to deal with but once Susanoo gets blowed up ink clones can be used to gang bang Kakashi

 

[Unorthodox]

This is why we stop taking shit from 5 months ago and trying to get on my case because I realized I was wrong. Pretty ironic since you and others complain when I hold on to my views, but the moment I switch them the same people come complaining about me switching.

This is why I do not aim to please.

Yea okay you was right i was wrong now shutup.

still waiting for your answer to my ying yang theory

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Bee can spew forth large amounts of ink line of sight is blocked thus counters kamui snipe

He doesn't have ink on the scale of the entire body of the juubi. Los can't be blocked that way.

KeyOfDestiny how is Rikudou PS automatically > Rikudou Hachibi b/c someone else's reg PS>Reg Hachibi? Even if DMS Kakashi could use PS without Rikudous chakra it would be way weaker than EMS Sasuke's due to lacking chakra potency that comes with EMS, then there's the fact that regular Hachibi protected himself from the Juubi's laser with its tails, something which would do heavy damage to EMS Sasuke's PS or possibly destroy it. Considering Bee would receive a boost far superior to Kakashi, I see PS doing neglible damage to Hachibi especially if he blocks its attacks with his tails.

Reg PS is equal= BM naruto>> hachibi. That's why. Tbb's are dodged casually, and PS slash rips through him the same way obito's base kunai ripped through him. The "superior boost" dosen't make up for the inferior moveset.

If Kakashi throws kamui shuriken at Bee he intercepts them with TBB

tbb's can be warped by standard kamui. It's not intercepting anything.

if kamui shuriken are used as meelee weapons he blocks with his tails so the tails get warped away instead of himself while simultaneously charging TBB so it explodes right in Kakahis face (Bee already tanked his TbB in canon so its no issue here.) or maybe Bee can just shoot him down before Kakashi closes the gap.

@bold that's the stupidest thing to do. Not only would kamui shuriken rip through his tails, once the effect takes place hachibi's entire body is sent to kamui land, durability isn't a factor when what you're going up against rips spacetime.

Intangibility is a btch to deal with but once Susanoo gets blowed up ink clones can be used to gang bang Kakashi

Blown up by what? Tbb? Surely you're joking.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yea okay you was right i was wrong now shutup.

still waiting for your answer to my ying yang theory

What theory? It's a baseless assumption. And I answered it.

Bee can spew forth large amounts of ink line of sight is blocked thus counters kamui snipe

How will spewing ink block LoS? It will rise and then fall to the ground as it is a liquid. What happened with Kisame only happened because he was inside Water.

KeyOfDestiny how is Rikudou PS automatically > Rikudou Hachibi b/c someone else's reg PS>Reg Hachibi? Even if DMS Kakashi could use PS without Rikudous chakra it would be way weaker than EMS Sasuke's due to lacking chakra potency that comes with EMS, then there's the fact that regular Hachibi protected himself from the Juubi's laser with its tails, something which would do heavy damage to EMS Sasuke's PS or possibly destroy it. Considering Bee would receive a boost far superior to Kakashi, I see PS doing neglible damage to Hachibi especially if he blocks its attacks with his tails.

I know it's weaker, but I've answered this already, and I told Kifflom and River that I answered this already when they replied with the same exact thing. "EMS" chakra potency isn't automatic proof that a Susanoo used by Obito (who has his chakra and Hashirama's DNA) and Kakashi would be fodder or even 2x weaker than what Sasuke pulled off in canon. And if it's not that much weaker, Hachibi gets raped. Let's add that onto the fact that w/o a Rikudo Boost, Gobi can pierce him, Shuriken can cut his tails, and Madara was about to end his life or seriously injure him with a V3 Susanoo blade. Unless you think any of these would be anywhere near Kakashi's PS level if they all got a hypothetical boost in power equal to what Kakashi got, then Kakashi's Susanoo cuts B apart with no effort.

Hachibi did not protect himself with his tails. Not sure how anyone would even claim this (believe me, I've seen this claim before :lol) when B was wrecked by his own Bijuu Dama. Hachibi curled up, and then Kamui warped him away.

If Kakashi throws kamui shuriken at Bee he intercepts them with TBB if kamui shuriken are used as meelee weapons he blocks with his tails so the tails get warped away instead of himself while simultaneously charging TBB so it explodes right in Kakahis face (Bee already tanked his TbB in canon so its no issue here.) or maybe Bee can just shoot him down before Kakashi closes the gap.

Or when he throws the Shuriken, and B fires BD, Kamui warps the BD away and then Hachibi gets warped by Kamui Shuriken. If they are used as melee weapons and he blocks with his tails, B obviously gets warped away. The Shuriken open a warp hole that is as large or a bit larger than Kakashi's PS, which is larger than Hachibi.

@bold: B took his Bijuu Dama with moderate damage. That's an issue. If he takes his BD, he takes moderate damage and while he reels from the pain, Kakashi wipes him off the face of the planet.

And no, B can't blow PS up before it cuts him apart.

Intangibility is a btch to deal with but once Susanoo gets blowed up ink clones can be used to gang bang Kakashi

Ink clones? You do realize that Ink clones are absolute fodder right? Lol. Kakashi simply counters with his own shadow clones, that he can use freely due to possessing all of Obito's massive chakra reserves. Or he counters without his clones. Doesn't really matter.

B gets wrecked. He does not stand a chance.