Question about Itachi's tsukuyomi

[drknght]

I have a doubt I want to confirm. When Itachi performs Tsukuyomi, like when he did on Kakashi, is Itachi consciously present meaning remembering all those 72 hours with the enemy within that genjutsu world?

 

[BlazeRelease]

The answer is extremely obvious. How could he possibly verbally interact with Kakashi inside the genjutsu if he was not mentally there? Additionally, all genjutsu rely on the user to manipulate the senses of the foe, meanwhile, you can see the trauma and illusions you put them through. This includes the distortion of space-time perception inside the genjutsu. Since the perception of space and time is whats being altered, not literal space and time, then it stands to reason Itachi could comprehend the events that take place in the illusion.

This is also made evident by the fact Itachi knows what he has shown to his opponents afterwards. If he wasn't consciously present, the would be impossible.

 

[Umari Senju]

The answer is extremely obvious. How could he possibly verbally interact with Kakashi inside the genjutsu if he was not mentally there? Additionally, all genjutsu rely on the user to manipulate the senses of the foe, meanwhile, you can see the trauma and illusions you put them through. This includes the distortion of space-time perception inside the genjutsu. Since the perception of space and time is whats being altered, not literal space and time, then it stands to reason Itachi could comprehend the events that take place in the illusion.

This is also made evident by the fact Itachi knows what he has shown to his opponents afterwards. If he wasn't consciously present, the would be impossible.

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[Uverdore9]

He can be present, at the same time not be.

How'll he fight the enemy if his focus is in the Genjutsu Realm? I think it has to do with the Fake Itachis holding the swords to stab the enemy. It might work in a manner close to the workings of shared vision. The clones in the illusion world stack into his memory thier memories simultaneously. Imagine the fact him being conciously diverted in attention into ssid realm while Asuma and Kurenai are right before him, who can possibly attack him.

Doesn't sound realistic.

 

[itachi4real]

He can be present, at the same time not be.

How'll he fight the enemy if his focus is in the Genjutsu Realm? I think it has to do with the Fake Itachis holding the swords to stab the enemy. It might work in a manner close to the workings of shared vision. The clones in the illusion world stack into his memory thier memories simultaneously. Imagine the fact him being conciously diverted in attention into ssid realm while Asuma and Kurenai are right before him, who can possibly attack him.

Doesn't sound realistic.

This....while he was kinda focused on kakashi, he was focused on gai and the others as well

 

[Calpal]

The answer is extremely obvious. How could he possibly verbally interact with Kakashi inside the genjutsu if he was not mentally there? Additionally, all genjutsu rely on the user to manipulate the senses of the foe, meanwhile, you can see the trauma and illusions you put them through. This includes the distortion of space-time perception inside the genjutsu. Since the perception of space and time is whats being altered, not literal space and time, then it stands to reason Itachi could comprehend the events that take place in the illusion.

This is also made evident by the fact Itachi knows what he has shown to his opponents afterwards. If he wasn't consciously present, the would be impossible.

Its the same as how Nagato could use shared vision, itachi though just sees whats going on in tsukuyomi and control that as well, like how nagato can fight, see, and hear/ learn through his paths

 

[Punk Hazard]

The answer is extremely obvious. How could he possibly verbally interact with Kakashi inside the genjutsu if he was not mentally there? Additionally, all genjutsu rely on the user to manipulate the senses of the foe, meanwhile, you can see the trauma and illusions you put them through. This includes the distortion of space-time perception inside the genjutsu. Since the perception of space and time is whats being altered, not literal space and time, then it stands to reason Itachi could comprehend the events that take place in the illusion.

This is also made evident by the fact Itachi knows what he has shown to his opponents afterwards. If he wasn't consciously present, the would be impossible.

It could very well be that he can simply "program" the Genjutsu to do what it does. Set it so an illusion of Itachi stabs Kakashi while counting down the 72 hours and explaining the Genjutsu, and set it to occur over the 72 hours without manually controlling it for the entirety of Kakashi's experience.

While it is a separate Genjutsu, we have seen before that a caster doesn't need to manually maintain Genjutsu and manually control what's happening with Sasuke vs Killer Bee. Sasuke put the Genjutsu on Killer Bee, and that was that. If he was "seeing" the Genjutsu as it was happening, he would have known when Bee broke it and wouldn't have been caught off guard when Bee attacked because he thought Bee was still paralyzed. We see something similar when Madara places the Genjutsu on the Fourth Raikage and goes on to keep fighting without having to concentrate on maintaining the Genjutsu. It's hard to imagine Tsukuyomi isn't capable of the same.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The answer is extremely obvious. How could he possibly verbally interact with Kakashi inside the genjutsu if he was not mentally there? Additionally, all genjutsu rely on the user to manipulate the senses of the foe, meanwhile, you can see the trauma and illusions you put them through. This includes the distortion of space-time perception inside the genjutsu. Since the perception of space and time is whats being altered, not literal space and time, then it stands to reason Itachi could comprehend the events that take place in the illusion.

This is also made evident by the fact Itachi knows what he has shown to his opponents afterwards. If he wasn't consciously present, the would be impossible.

Damn dude, this is exactly it

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Itachi has two consciouses.

 

[drknght]

Your responses make sense. Thank you for answering.

Itachi has two consciouses.

I've seen this informtion on narutowikia, but I never found the source of it.

 

[Peculiar Chester]

Honestly, the mechanics of Itachi's tsukuyomi have always been dumb that way. The idea that he can experience an entire lifetime in a trillionth of a second by using it on someone makes you wonder what his actual mental age is.