Orochimaru takes the 1vs1 gauntlet.

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If he passes 6th he will stop at 9th and 11th

 

[Haizaki]

I don't know about that. I think Oru lost because like Sasuke and Taka stated, he was too weak to resist it. Because remember it wasn't a genjutsu that defeated Oru, it was the fact Sasukes Sharingan Reversed and copied what Oru was doing on OrU. Whether C2 enhanced it or not really didn't matter at that point tbh.

In terms of Genjutsu; when Sasuke attempted to use the Same Genjutsu

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, Oru instantly

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. So im guessing you all are saying Oru lost because sasuke used genjutsu?

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Genjutsu actually didn't play a part from what the Manga showed. Sasuke literally just reversed and copied what Oru was attempting. That is why Kabuto Notes Sasuke's

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instead of the latter. Genjutsu literally had nothing to do with it, and when Genjutsu was used Oru instantly broke out of it no diff.

Alright this makes. Though Tsukoyomi and Ephemeral would be a different story though.

 

[Draegod]

Alright this makes. Though Tsukoyomi and Ephemeral would be a different story though.

Tsukuyomi yes, finger? Not even worth using. Itachi used a Paralyzing Genjutsu that is designed to stop movement, that low level finger genjutsu is broke by a simple Kai release which oru knows. The paralyses Genjutsu is useless as seen with Sasuke. Tsukuyomi is dealt with with multiple Zetsu Oru Bodies and clones, he wouldn't know who to use MS on (he only has so many times). Plus if Oru was hit, he'd just Body switch into another Oru Zetsu body clone since they are real Clones and not fake.

Itachi isn't pushing Oru past mid. Now if It was no info it would be different.

 

[Strict]

Alright this makes. Though Tsukoyomi and Ephemeral would be a different story though.

Except that Sasuke had a Genjutsu level of 4, Itachi a Genjutsu level of 5. Except that the Mangekyo Sharingan has Genjutsu which are way more powerful. Except that I don't know what exactly Draegod wants us to tell with this scans, as Orochimaru failed against Sasuke and was taken over. Orochimaru wasn't shown to break Sasuke's Genjutsu, what doesn't matter anyway, as Itachi is the more skilled Genjutsu user. Orochimaru failed against Itachi's 3T and he showed nothing new suggesting that he now has a better chance. having a Zetsu body is no proof, one has nothing to do with the other. Hashirama's DNA doesn't suddenly make the user immune to Genjutsu. Sasuke's Genjutsu worked on Zetsu as it worked on the Kumo Nin.

So you can't take Sasuke as a argument for why Orochimaru breaks Itachi's Genjutsu. As Orochimaru failed against Itachi's Genjutsu and Itachi has a canonically higher score in Genjutsu than Sasuke.

 

[Draegod]

Except that Sasuke had a Genjutsu level of 4, Itachi a Genjutsu level of 5. Except that the Mangekyo Sharingan has Genjutsu which are way more powerful. Except that I don't know what exactly Draegod wants us to tell with this scans, as Orochimaru failed against Sasuke and was taken over. Orochimaru wasn't shown to break Sasuke's Genjutsu, what doesn't matter anyway, as Itachi is the more skilled Genjutsu user. Orochimaru failed against Itachi's 3T and he showed nothing new suggesting that he now has a better chance. having a Zetsu body is no proof, one has nothing to do with the other. Hashirama's DNA doesn't suddenly make the user immune to Genjutsu. Sasuke's Genjutsu worked on Zetsu as it worked on the Kumo Nin.

So you can't take Sasuke as a argument for why Orochimaru breaks Itachi's Genjutsu. As Orochimaru failed against Itachi's Genjutsu and Itachi has a canonically higher score in Genjutsu than Sasuke.

lol Cute bruh.

The genjutsu Itachi used in the manga was about to be broken, which is why Itachi went in and sliced his hand off. More over, once pain was inflicted he was completely free from the genjutsu (once the pain of his hand happened). Oru easily has snakes to bite thus break him out, or simple break it like he did with sasuke. Or use Multiple clones to break him out no diff. Or he hit a clone and oru counter attacks! No genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi is worth mentioning.

 

[Nattana]

Except that Sasuke had a Genjutsu level of 4, Itachi a Genjutsu level of 5. Except that the Mangekyo Sharingan has Genjutsu which are way more powerful. Except that I don't know what exactly Draegod wants us to tell with this scans, as Orochimaru failed against Sasuke and was taken over. Orochimaru wasn't shown to break Sasuke's Genjutsu, what doesn't matter anyway, as Itachi is the more skilled Genjutsu user. Orochimaru failed against Itachi's 3T and he showed nothing new suggesting that he now has a better chance. having a Zetsu body is no proof, one has nothing to do with the other. Hashirama's DNA doesn't suddenly make the user immune to Genjutsu. Sasuke's Genjutsu worked on Zetsu as it worked on the Kumo Nin.

So you can't take Sasuke as a argument for why Orochimaru breaks Itachi's Genjutsu. As Orochimaru failed against Itachi's Genjutsu and Itachi has a canonically higher score in Genjutsu than Sasuke.

The funny thing is that people still bring up that Itachi vs Orochimaru situation, completely forgetting that it happened 10 years ago in NV time. We've seen people getting tens or even hundreds times stronger in like a few days or weeks, yet it's hard for you to imagine that during 10 years Orochimaru could train himself enough to resist Sharingan Genjutsu? Hell, especially that him doing that is canon.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

He clears it, ending up with a nice new pair of eyes courtesy of Itachi.

 

[Haizaki]

Except that Sasuke had a Genjutsu level of 4, Itachi a Genjutsu level of 5. Except that the Mangekyo Sharingan has Genjutsu which are way more powerful. Except that I don't know what exactly Draegod wants us to tell with this scans, as Orochimaru failed against Sasuke and was taken over. Orochimaru wasn't shown to break Sasuke's Genjutsu, what doesn't matter anyway, as Itachi is the more skilled Genjutsu user. Orochimaru failed against Itachi's 3T and he showed nothing new suggesting that he now has a better chance. having a Zetsu body is no proof, one has nothing to do with the other. Hashirama's DNA doesn't suddenly make the user immune to Genjutsu. Sasuke's Genjutsu worked on Zetsu as it worked on the Kumo Nin.

So you can't take Sasuke as a argument for why Orochimaru breaks Itachi's Genjutsu. As Orochimaru failed against Itachi's Genjutsu and Itachi has a canonically higher score in Genjutsu than Sasuke.

@Draegod

He has a point though.

The DB is based on their base stats..So Naturally, Itachi is better when it comes to the use of Genjutsu..Like for example, Danzo notes he's better when it comes to using Tsukoyomi.

The only part I think Strict is wrong on was when Orochimaru notes that Sasuke's Genjutstu used on him was like Itachi's

 

[Strict]

lol Cute bruh.

The genjutsu Itachi used in the manga was about to be broken, which is why Itachi went in and sliced his hand off. More over, once pain was inflicted he was completely free from the genjutsu (once the pain of his hand happened). Oru easily has snakes to bite thus break him out, or simple break it like he did with sasuke. Or use Multiple clones to break him out no diff. Or he hit a clone and oru counter attacks! No genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi is worth mentioning.

Orochimaru forcefully tried to clap his hands in order to try to break the Genjutsu. In this period, he was paralyzed, what allowed Itachi to easily cut Orochimaru's arm, what means that in this period of him being paralyzed, Itachi is free to do anything he want to finish Orochimaru.

The funny thing is that people still bring up that Itachi vs Orochimaru situation, completely forgetting that it happened 10 years ago in NV time. We've seen people getting tens or even hundreds times stronger in like a few days or weeks, yet it's hard for you to imagine that during 10 years Orochimaru could train himself enough to resist Sharingan Genjutsu? Hell, especially that him doing that is canon.

It's funny that you beat about the bush, bringing no new feats of Orochimaru. He did nothing in canon. Neither he resisted against Sasuke's Genjutsu, nor had Sasuke the same Genjutsu skills as Itachi. Orochimaru, unlike others, already reached his prime ten years ago, when he already was 40 years old. Even 10 years later, in the Manga, he admitted his inferiority to Itachi. In this 10 years, Orochimaru did nothing to grow immensely stronger. At least, nothing changed about his Chakra control and the ability to resist Genjutsu of Itachi's level. You got no facts, only claims.

 

[Joker]

Manda can in no way keep Katsuyu occupied. Manda has nothing on Katsuyu, while Tsunade easily takes on Manda by a simple punch.

Katsuyu can't be harmed by physical attacks, that is a fact. The snakes can do absolutely nothing.

Hop off Tsunade's boobs, holy shit. Manda kept the summons busy in part one, if Tsunade didn't intervene, he would've had them both, that's fact. He was about to eat Katsuyu, but Gamabunta stalled long enough for her to split up, point blank. If Bunta knew Katsuya could beat Manda, he would've let her be, it's obvious which summon was dominant in that fight. This time, Tsunade isn't messing with shit. Orochimaru will be on her ass the whole fight.

#StopTsunadeFans2014

 

[Draegod]

@Draegod

He has a point though.

The DB is based on their base stats..So Naturally, Itachi is better when it comes to the use of Genjutsu..Like for example, Danzo notes he's better when it comes to using Tsukoyomi.

The only part I think Strict is wrong on was when Orochimaru notes that Sasuke's Genjutstu used on him was like Itachi's

He literally used the same justu. Its like saying a B rank Fireball jutsu is now a A rank just because a ninja is a kage. lol B rank jutsu will always be a B rank Jutsu no matter who uses it. Now if one uses Rikudo chakra/Sage chakra/Bijuu chakra and things of that nature it is different since them attributes are designed to enhance the user and there jutsu entirely.

The Databook takes Jutsu into consideration and what Itachi have over Sasuke is MS Tsukuyomi. That is it! Sasuke literally Matched Itachi Cannon in Genjutsu untill Tsukuyomi came into play then he even overcame that itself. So the notion that itachi is better based on fets is canonically proven false! Now in terms of Jutsu shown then yes Itachi has the upperhand in genjutsu arsenal which is the main reason his stat is higher.

Oru already broke the same justu that was used in the past on him on his death bed! Imagine a healthy Oru... Good god! And Genjutsu bar the types like Tsukuyomi are dispelled by Simple Kai release as shown when Guy dispelled Kabuto's A rank Genjutsu (with the only rank higher being an S rank genjutsu).

Orochimaru forcefully tried to clap his hands in order to try to break the Genjutsu. In this period, he was paralyzed, what allowed Itachi to easily cut Orochimaru's arm, what means that in this period of him being paralyzed, Itachi is free to do anything he want to finish Orochimaru.

I don't think you know the genjutsu Itachi used on him bro and how it works. I assume you think all genjutsu Paralyze said opponent huh? lol No! Every genjutsu works Differently and have different affactes for the most part. The Genjutsu Itachi used was specifically meant to stop all movement:

Databook 3 - Kasegui no Jutsu:
Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique (魔幻・枷杭の術, Magen: Kasegui no Jutsu)
Genjutsu, Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Supplementary, Short range (0-5m)
Users: Uchiha Itachi, Uchiha Sasuke

A make-believe yoke piercing the limbs and body, completely snatching away one's freedom to move!! Once caught in the mind world created by the user, the victim will be tormented with the sensation of having wedges driven through their limbs, completely taking away their body's freedom. At the same time, the physical pain accompanying the illusion reveals the great use this technique has for primarily torture and such.

[picture of the Sharingan]
↑Performing handseals is unnecessary. All that is needed to use this technique is to have the enemy meet one's eyes!

[picture of Orochimaru being caught in this genjutsu]
↑In front of this technique, even Orochimaru is like a frog being glared at by a snake.

Now if you wanna ignore manga and databook facts thats on you. But the fact He was still able to move despite he wasn't suppose to.. You get the picture! haha

It's funny that you beat about the bush, bringing no new feats of Orochimaru. He did nothing in canon. Neither he resisted against Sasuke's Genjutsu, nor had Sasuke the same Genjutsu skills as Itachi. Orochimaru, unlike others, already reached his prime ten years ago, when he already was 40 years old. Even 10 years later, in the Manga, he admitted his inferiority to Itachi. In this 10 years, Orochimaru did nothing to grow immensely stronger. At least, nothing changed about his Chakra control and the ability to resist Genjutsu of Itachi's level. You got no facts, only claims.

lol Using Part one Oru still eh? If you couldn't read; This is Senju Body two arms Alll Zetsu abilities Oru. Not the same oru itachi defeated long time ago. And like i Explained to my patna Evani; You cannot change a genjutsu's rank and affects in base. Sasuke and Itachi used the same exact genjutsu and he almost broke from itachis while playing around, and instantly broke free from Sasukes cannonly! No discussion my guy. Any Genjutsu bar Tsukuyomi is useless and laughed at! lmao

 

[Strict]

First of all, it was two different scenarios; against Itachi, it was a direct Genjutsu which affected him. Against Sasuke, they were already in Orochimaru's inner dimension.

Btw, can you please show me how Orochimaru wasn't affected by Sasuke's Genjutsu or broke it?

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In the next scan, Orochimaru's true form lies on the ground sliced apart, with Sasuke having reversed the ritual and absorbed Orochimaru.

So Orochimaru failed again.

Still don't see a counter to Genjutsu. Zetsu body isn't a counter, it's your interpretation of, "since he has Hashirama's DNA, he HAS to have a better counter to Genjutsu, which is obviously only a claim. Both arms? He had both arms in their first encounter as well.

Seems like this is my last post in this thread, as have nothing else to add until you bring up something new or better facts.

 

[Nattana]

First of all, it was two different scenarios; against Itachi, it was a direct Genjutsu which affected him. Against Sasuke, they were already in Orochimaru's inner dimension.

Btw, can you please show me how Orochimaru wasn't affected by Sasuke's Genjutsu or broke it?

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In the next scan, Orochimaru's true form lies on the ground sliced apart, with Sasuke having reversed the ritual and absorbed Orochimaru.

So Orochimaru failed again.

Still don't see a counter to Genjutsu. Zetsu body isn't a counter, it's your interpretation of, "since he has Hashirama's DNA, he HAS to have a better counter to Genjutsu, which is obviously only a claim. Both arms? He had both arms in their first encounter as well.

Seems like this is my last post in this thread, as have nothing else to add until you bring up something new or better facts.

For the second or maybe the third time in this thread.

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[Draegod]

First of all, it was two different scenarios; against Itachi, it was a direct Genjutsu which affected him. Against Sasuke, they were already in Orochimaru's inner dimension.

Btw, can you please show me how Orochimaru wasn't affected by Sasuke's Genjutsu or broke it?

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In the next scan, Orochimaru's true form lies on the ground sliced apart, with Sasuke having reversed the ritual and absorbed Orochimaru.

So Orochimaru failed again.

Still don't see a counter to Genjutsu. Zetsu body isn't a counter, it's your interpretation of, "since he has Hashirama's DNA, he HAS to have a better counter to Genjutsu, which is obviously only a claim. Both arms? He had both arms in their first encounter as well.

Seems like this is my last post in this thread, as have nothing else to add until you bring up something new or better facts.

Strict.. #BringThatAssHereBoi

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Do you want me to draw it out for you???? Sasuke used the genjutsu, caught Oru. THEN Instantly Oru was not in the Genjutsu and advanced! Its manga fact no disputing no matter how much of a die hard Fangirl you or anyone can be!

And after the ritual was over; like you stated " with Sasuke having reversed the ritual and absorbed Orochimaru." sasuke reversed and absorbed oru, not "placed him in a genjutsu and oru got absorbed because of some secret absorbing genjutsu." lmmfao And yes Oru failed the ritual because he was on deaths door at his limit while sasuke was fresh and perfect! Do you not read the manga?

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Genjutsu counter is simple: GENJUTSU KAI RELEASE! Just like he cannonly was about to do against Itachi. Or the multiple Clones he would spawn and Snakes simply Release the genjutsu or bite and cause pain just like all/most Genjutsu. It's not rocket science. 1+1=2 correct???? You do the math! Did you not read earlier post i made andbroke it down simple for you! Genjutsu Bar Tsuku is a non factor to your God Itachi.

#FawwwwkYouMean #DcYungfly

 

[Strict]

THEN Instantly Oru was not in the Genjutsu and advanced!

That's the point. He never advanced. lol.

 

[Nattana]

That's the point. He never advanced. lol.

He resisted the Genjutsu and started to move forward. Read the captions. But I guess it's useless to discuss with you if you keep on denying manga scans.

 

[Draegod]

That's the point. He never advanced. lol.

SO he was still in the same exact spot and position even though the next panel of him is shown he is not in the genjutsu anymore and and a different position???? Please... Tell me.. You're joking... Right???

He resisted the Genjutsu and started to move forward. Read the captions. But I guess it's useless to discuss with you if you keep on denying manga scans.

Strict is one of the many Uchiha tip ryders who thinks Genjutsu solo's anyone and uchiha's don't lose. I already knew he'd deny manga facts, but i was hoping he was not sunburn anymore. #WishfulThinking

 

[Haizaki]

Alright it's very clear.