Mei and Tsunade vs MS Sasuke

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Lol I keep hearing stupid things in this thread

Not saying the ladies win but seriously


Mei (even tho she lost) fought 5 legged susannos for brief time she is not getting overwhlemed by one NON legged susannl with tsunade and her summoning there (and appearntly sakura which btw ms sasuke is not tht strong and majority of these Karin combos etc requires chakra and stamina which he's shit at , at this stage due to losing orochimaru vessel)

What is this I hear tht. Tsuande cannot breach v4 susanno r u kidding me she fought 5 and punched holes in them for a good amount of time and those were legged

Yes the arrows are a problem but Mei in the war reacted to Madera fire style and casted water dragons faster then madara (re-read fight) so casting speed Mei> ms assume (bar amatratsu susanno activation)

As for the rest its a toss up but speed ms sas is fast but he is not blitzing one of them without other one reacting both girls showed decent feats in reacting when fighting as a team against Madera I dougbt a slower ms sas is gonna be able to blitz one without the. Other getting hit...

Lastly amatratsu simply tanked burns slow by tsuande and mei well she would get hit but can cover assume vision with mist so he won't fire it and sas is not tht stupid to fire it blindly cuz tht would waste chakra and stamina he dnt have not to mention the blindness . Also take into fact karin tanked amatratsu.... Mei should be able to not for long as it spreads but still...


Actually I think the ladies win changed my mind ..

 

[RedRobin]

Lol I keep hearing stupid things in this thread

Not saying the ladies win but seriously


Mei (even tho she lost) fought 5 legged susannos for brief time she is not getting overwhlemed by one NON legged susannl with tsunade and her summoning there (and appearntly sakura which btw ms sasuke is not tht strong and majority of these Karin combos etc requires chakra and stamina which he's shit at , at this stage due to losing orochimaru vessel)

What is this I hear tht. Tsuande cannot breach v4 susanno r u kidding me she fought 5 and punched holes in them for a good amount of time and those were legged

Yes the arrows are a problem but Mei in the war reacted to Madera fire style and casted water dragons faster then madara (re-read fight) so casting speed Mei> ms assume (bar amatratsu susanno activation)

As for the rest its a toss up but speed ms sas is fast but he is not blitzing one of them without other one reacting both girls showed decent feats in reacting when fighting as a team against Madera I dougbt a slower ms sas is gonna be able to blitz one without the. Other getting hit...

Lastly amatratsu simply tanked burns slow by tsuande and mei well she would get hit but can cover assume vision with mist so he won't fire it and sas is not tht stupid to fire it blindly cuz tht would waste chakra and stamina he dnt have not to mention the blindness . Also take into fact karin tanked amatratsu.... Mei should be able to not for long as it spreads but still...


Actually I think the ladies win changed my mind ..

That is the shit with this fandom though.

Its basically "Madara was playing around" when he fought the Gokage so none of their feats matter but then these are the same people who state 7Gate Gai was actually pushing JJ Madara back like he wasnt playing around then.

Its whatever, move on and just provide your evidence they cant say shit then once you prove with facts.

 

[Nattana]

That is the shit with this fandom though.

Its basically "Madara was playing around" when he fought the Gokage so none of their feats matter but then these are the same people who state 7Gate Gai was actually pushing JJ Madara back like he wasnt playing around then.

Its whatever, move on and just provide your evidence they cant say shit then once you prove with facts.

Since you all made it clear that Sasuke in this thread can use only non-legged Susano'o, I'll say again that ladies win easily.

Mei uses her Water Pillar that erupts from beneath the ground to send Sasuke flying and then (if needed) Water Dragon Bullet to take Sasuke straight into Tsunade's punch.

I don't even understand why people bother with some Hidden Mists and stuff in this match-up.

 

[RedRobin]

Since you all made it clear that Sasuke in this thread can use only non-legged Susano'o, I'll say again that ladies win easily.

Mei uses her Water Pillar that erupts from beneath the ground to send Sasuke flying and then (if needed) Water Dragon Bullet to take Sasuke straight into Tsunade's punch.

I don't even understand why people bother with some Hidden Mists and stuff in this match-up.

Well I dont think it will be that easy. Water pillar was used against Madara? It didnt exactly send him flying even in susano which Sasuke most likely has up.

 

[Nattana]

Well I dont think it will be that easy. Water pillar was used against Madara? It didnt exactly send him flying even in susano which Sasuke most likely has up.

She used it against his big-ass Katon.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Sasuke steps into Katsuyu's liquid range then Tsunade will know where he is since she has a telepathic connection with Katsuyu. A Katsuyu clone on Tsunade's shoulder can tell Mei where Sasuke is too.

If. That's the key word.

Lol I keep hearing stupid things in this thread

Not saying the ladies win but seriously


Mei (even tho she lost) fought 5 legged susannos for brief time she is not getting overwhlemed by one NON legged susannl with tsunade and her summoning there (and appearntly sakura which btw ms sasuke is not tht strong and majority of these Karin combos etc requires chakra and stamina which he's shit at , at this stage due to losing orochimaru vessel)

Different abilities for each Susanoo and the fact that Mei was getting her ass beat even though Madara was just toying with her. It's crazy how quick people are to fall back on this feat, completely ignoring the fact that Madara was dicking around with the Gokage at that point.

Not to mention you people are quick to forget that Susanoo CLONES aren't as strong as Madara's singular Susanoo. It took 5 Susanoo clones to break Gaara's basic wall of sand, yet a normal Susanoo used by Madara easily broke out of the sand pyramid Gaara trapped them in, and a Susanoo blade knocked Gaara on his arse even though he blocked with a sand wall.

Then there's the fact that Mokuton clones don't distribute chakra or power evenly unless the user wills it.

Guess since you can't prove your argument via anything else, we have to fall back on fail examples.

What is this I hear tht. Tsuande cannot breach v4 susanno r u kidding me she fought 5 and punched holes in them for a good amount of time and those were legged

Lol, and this guy is talking about stupid things being said? Tsunade couldn't even obliterate a Ribcage in one shot let alone destroy a V2 or a V3 let alone a V4 Susanoo. When we have scans of her damaging them, then you can talk.

Yes the arrows are a problem but Mei in the war reacted to Madera fire style and casted water dragons faster then madara (re-read fight) so casting speed Mei> ms assume (bar amatratsu susanno activation)

I suggest you re-read the fight. Madara used Katon, she countered with a Water Dragon and a water pillar. Nowhere did she exceed Madara's casting speed. In fact, Madara fired Katon and she failed to react, but Tsunade came and slapped them away while she was sitting there like "I won't make it in time".

I can see that you obviously skimmed through the manga.

As for the rest its a toss up but speed ms sas is fast but he is not blitzing one of them without other one reacting both girls showed decent feats in reacting when fighting as a team against Madera I dougbt a slower ms sas is gonna be able to blitz one without the. Other getting hit...

Only thing I agree with.

Lastly amatratsu simply tanked burns slow by tsuande

Whether or not it burns slow doesn't change the fact that she can't put it out.

and mei well she would get hit

And we are talking about stupid shit being said...

Lol. Mei can't even tank regular Katon let alone Amaterasu.

but can cover assume vision with mist so he won't fire it and sas is not tht stupid to fire it blindly cuz tht would waste chakra and stamina he dnt have not to mention the blindness . Also take into fact karin tanked amatratsu.... Mei should be able to not for long as it spreads but still...

Only other thing I can agree with. Mist makes it useless unless they come up close. And lol. Karin had a fireball on her back for about a few seconds. That's not tantamount to tanking Amaterasu.

That is the shit with this fandom though.

Its basically "Madara was playing around" when he fought the Gokage so none of their feats matter but then these are the same people who state 7Gate Gai was actually pushing JJ Madara back like he wasnt playing around then.

Its whatever, move on and just provide your evidence they cant say shit then once you prove with facts.

Except Madara playing around doesn't change the fact that he was forced back, the same Madara in the same mindset easily cut down Minato when he tried to blitz with Hiraishin. The Gokage literally didn't accomplish anything against Madara's Legged Susanoo clones.

But what can I expect. When people don't perform up to par, excuses get made.

 

[Lariatoo]

Yeah... Sasuke mid diffs.

 

[Char Aznable]

Sasuke takes an acid bath and Tsunade knocks his head off.

 

[Strict]

They don't stand a chance against the MS. Genjutsu gg. Amaterasu or Kagutsuchi gg. Amaterasu or an Enton arrow and Tsunade is done. Amaterasu, Genjutsu or just a normal arrow finishes Mei.

 

[RedRobin]

If. That's the key word.

If he isnt then he is very far from the ladies and cant amount a good offense.

Except Madara playing around doesn't change the fact that he was forced back, the same Madara in the same mindset easily cut down Minato when he tried to blitz with Hiraishin. The Gokage literally didn't accomplish anything against Madara's Legged Susanoo clones.

But what can I expect. When people don't perform up to par, excuses get made.

It was more plot. Gai forming the Hirudora sign with his fingers wasnt any slower than any strike he landed on Madara, Madara could have taken his arm out at any point throughout that sequence however that would be bad for Gai's showing of the 8th gate if he lost an arm. See we can both make excuses for characters.

Hm. I would say surviving against 5 susano clones for as long as they did is some accomplishment, of course in your eyes Madara wasnt even trying to kill them he was only playing around.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I think the ladies can win S1 but I go with Sasuke for S2. If Tsunade and Sakura boost Mei's ninjutsu they may have a chance at destroying Sasuke's V4 Susano

 

[KidGamer65]

If he isnt then he is very far from the ladies and cant amount a good offense.

Like I've said in my replies to you already. If he strikes while Katsuyu is initially spreading, then he can hit them. Then there's the fact that his hawk lets him hover above any kind of Katsuyu pool.

It was more plot.

You already know it's bad when you start using plot as an example.

Gai forming the Hirudora sign with his fingers wasnt any slower than any strike he landed on Madara, Madara could have taken his arm out at any point throughout that sequence however that would be bad for Gai's showing of the 8th gate if he lost an arm.

Except you've now assumed that Gai making the sign is slow enough for Madara to simply chop his arm off. Arguments fail when we start making unfounded assumptions. A>B>C>D. C being slower than B isn't auto proof that it's slower than D. Gai's Hirudora hand sign being slower than his strikes doesn't mean it's slow enough to the point where Madara can fodder chop his arm off like he did to Minato.

And since the Manga explicitly shows that Gai can make the handsign and partially form Hirudora at the same time Madara would land his swing, you don't have a point. Chalking it up to plot isn't an argument.

See we can both make excuses for characters.

The only one making excuses here is you. Not my fault if you can't tell the difference between excuses and real argumentation and facts. Like Madara toying with the Gokage. That's literally a fact. Like Susanoo clones being inferior to a singular Susanoo used by the original, also a fact.

Hm. I would say surviving against 5 susano clones for as long as they did is some accomplishment, of course in your eyes Madara wasnt even trying to kill them he was only playing around.

Surviving against 5 Susanoo clones weaker than one from the original being used by a guy who was toying with them isn't an accomplishment, especially when they were getting their asses beat anyway. Definitely not an accomplishment that lets anyone come in here and say "Survived against 5 Susanoo clones? Oh yeah, Sasuke doesn't stand a chance". Especially considering Danzo had trouble with MS Sasuke who started out with a V2 Susanoo, lacked intel on Izanagi, and didn't even use an Armored Susanoo, and no Kage is a level above him....but somehow fighting 5 Susanoo clones is evidence that they won't lose to him?

Sasuke should've gotten neg diffed against Ay, or Gaara, or Mei if they were strong enough to honestly take on 5 Complete Susanoo at once, but he didn't. Lol.

 

[RedRobin]

Like I've said in my replies to you already. If he strikes while Katsuyu is initially spreading, then he can hit them. Then there's the fact that his hawk lets him hover above any kind of Katsuyu pool.

The forest doesnt just work in advantage for Sasuke, his hovering is very limited if he only has space to do it right above Katsuyu's liquid and it only puts him at a disadvantage as Mei's lava can easily take the bird down putting him in Katsuyu's liquid and from there the ladies take him out with a mist combo.

Except you've now assumed that Gai making the sign is slow enough for Madara to simply chop his arm off. Arguments fail when we start making unfounded assumptions. A>B>C>D. C being slower than B isn't auto proof that it's slower than D. Gai's Hirudora hand sign being slower than his strikes doesn't mean it's slow enough to the point where Madara can fodder chop his arm off like he did to Minato.

And since the Manga explicitly shows that Gai can make the handsign and partially form Hirudora at the same time Madara would land his swing, you don't have a point. Chalking it up to plot isn't an argument.

My point is making of the sign is not any slower than the punch and kick he lands yet Madara was able to see that and react to it meaning he could have easily did what he did to the partial Hirudora to that leg or arm.

Surviving against 5 Susanoo clones weaker than one from the original being used by a guy who was toying with them isn't an accomplishment, especially when they were getting their asses beat anyway. Definitely not an accomplishment that lets anyone come in here and say "Survived against 5 Susanoo clones? Oh yeah, Sasuke doesn't stand a chance". Especially considering Danzo had trouble with MS Sasuke who started out with a V2 Susanoo, lacked intel on Izanagi, and didn't even use an Armored Susanoo, and no Kage is a level above him....but somehow fighting 5 Susanoo clones is evidence that they won't lose to him?

5 EMS Madara Wood Clones using Legged Susano versus each of the gokage and they survived even though he was trying to kill them. Yeah I would definitely say that is one big ass accomplishment, I dont see how you cant see it like that, maybe because you only saw the end of the battle and to you that actually did not happen or something but it happened, you didnt see it but they survived his onslaught. So yeah if there are 2/5 gokage against MS Sasuke I am going to with the 2 gokage as they should definitely be enough even if its the two ladies.

Why? Because yes they survived the onslaught from 5 legged susano from a guy with infinite chakra and MS Sasuke doesnt have infinite chakra and this was each by themselves plus they were already tired from fighting him before.