Itachi Uchiha vs Pein

[Anub]

Okey fIrst of all the points I stated Some pages ago are HYPOTETICAL and are based on What we have seen!!
Second I cannot state it in another way. Why? Well because itachi DOES NOT HAVE DEFENSIVE TECHS APPART FROM SUSANOO which is an EPIC FAIL agaisnt pain's bodies
which are dead and cannot get their souls sealed because they are dead bodies

With full knowledge pain will not be stupid enough to have all bodies together so itachi can say CHEESE wow What a nice picture being taken by Amaterasu HECK NO PAIN IS STUPID IN THE GRADE OF
BEING EASILY INFLUENCED but he himself is inteligente in a way
And the points i stated at page 11 show is how obviously itachi will attack and the posible counters to it

And for the comment That itachi says he only needs to touch you to trap you
DAMN!!! First of all pain shares VISUAL SIGHT NOT TOUCH SENSES with this being said
Negate himself will not be trapped on the genjutsu itself only the dead body will be trapped WHICH IS ALREADY DEAD and genjutsu won't work on a dead bodies brain.

As for amaterasu okey that thing is only fire that last a calculated of 10 seconds to burn you down(assuming it is hotter than fire itself) since pain(not nagato) feels no sensitive pain he will recklessly attack a weakened itachi) IF HE MIRACOUSLY and MAGICALLY AS ONLY SEEN ON HARRY POTTER!!! can target all 6 bodies, without a doubt all 6 bodies will catch the weakened itachi easily and end the fight in a draw otherwise being logical itachi will be able to catch only two on fire while they all attack the weakened itachi

IF U SAY MY OPINIONS ARE BIASED SIMPLY TELL ME WHAT ELSE CAN ITACHI DO
The points I stated at the beginning of page 11 are simply the ways for pain to counter itachi effectively

ONLY WAY ITACHI HAS IS TO TRAP PAIN ON EYE CONTACT GENJUTSU

And no I don't stand neither for negato or itachi I would stand for someone more
More smarter......
What a drag....

Assuming that all my theories are correct itachi's chances of winning depend on:
1. Surviving pains Attacks
2. Targeting a bulls eye on negates eyes with tsukoyomi

Oh and sasuke's progress with Amaterasu is now higher than itachi's

If someone is going to answer me by saying DAMN ITACHI GENJUTSU PAIN IS TRAP AND DON'T EVEN EXPERImENT SOMETHING THAT SIMPLE COMMENT WON'T CHANGE MY MIND

How about : you believe that Itachi has 3 techs and that's it.

Pain's bodies don't have souls, but Itachi can easily NOT USE the sword and use something else. Sasuke's Susano'o has a bow lol. I'll assure you that Itachi's susano'o can do without sealing people.

Nothing can go past itachi's susano'o.

Pain's visions linked, therefore Itachi can trap Nagato.

Itachi can cast amaterasu and wait in susano'o form while the bodies burn

Yes, you are biased because you only limit Itachi. You're saying that pain's bodies don't feel anything, and that's not important. Amaterasu burnt Raikage's arm in a few seconds (and he had the lightning armor protecting it aswell). Do you think some dead bodies will last longer than Raikage+armor? Short answer: No. Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Since we're talking about a fight in which both fighters have full knowledge, do you think Itachi is an idiot and keep fighting pain bodies, or should he try and figure out where Nagato is? You're underestimating Itachi so much man...soon you'll be telling me that Akamaru would own Itachi, because the sealing sword only works on people or something.

Here's a thought for Pain lovers out there. We know Itachi has sharingan and can copy techniques like Kakashi does. Do you think that there is a possibility that Itachi ACTUALLY KNOWS a tech similar to Zabuza's mist (seeing how Itachi spent a lot of his time in Kisame's presence)? 1 Mist tech and Pain needs to use Shinra Tensei to be able to see, which make him an easy target afterwards. Then mist again (or something similar to mist). DO NOT LIMIT ITACHI TO 3 JUTSUS.

 

[Anduril]

I think the number of Pains will cause trouble to itachi along with the fact that they all are visually linked!!!!!!!!

 

[Anub]

I think the number of Pains will cause trouble to itachi along with the fact that they all are visually linked!!!!!!!!

Yes, they will cause trouble. But their strong point (visually linked) is also their weakness. Remember how Gai said you need to fight Itachi? Do not look into his eyes. Only with Itachi he can cast genjutsu even with his finger (at least). So it's a hard battle for both warriors.

 

[Guildmage]

Okay what I simply mean is that TOUCH SENSITIVE won't work on dead bodies maybe hearing worked because pain actually felt that hearing and sight are two useful senses and others would be more of being there for nothing ONCE AGAIN!!!! THIS IS HIPOTETICAL!!!!!

And no with the duration of Amaterasu I know it is longer 7 days and 7 nights if I recall correctly but with a calculated of ten seconds I mean to get pain bodies(1 by 1 or 2 by 2 or all at once) to be burned down to dust GUYS SHOULD LEARN TO READ BETTER SOMETIMES

And no I don't believe itachi only has three techniques, but I'm sure pain will make him a fodder in ninjutsu and taijutsu
Ninjutsu because okey compare the jutsus itachi has shown us till now compared to ALL THE ELEMENTAL NINJUTSU(including the one's itachi will use)??? And six bodies that share sight two are fast and one can

summon a whole zoo, another absorbs chakra which is bad for itachi and another simply throws rockets and shii while the other stays back(naraka path)

Thats why I say only MS and normal genjutsu will do the trick
But as I stated on page 11 and a while ago THOSE ARE POSSIBLE WAYS THAT NAGATO HAS TO COUNTER ITACHI

Oh btw I dont remember where I read this but according to kishi it is was said that nagato is equal strong to minato
So if you believe itachi is stronger than nagato then you believe itachi is stronger than minato which we don't have feats but we have hype of him being the greatest hokage

ALL MY POINTS ARE HIPOTETICAL except for the minato's one a

 

[khaydz5]

How about : you believe that Itachi has 3 techs and that's it.

Pain's bodies don't have souls, but Itachi can easily NOT USE the sword and use something else. Sasuke's Susano'o has a bow lol. I'll assure you that Itachi's susano'o can do without sealing people.

Nothing can go past itachi's susano'o.

Pain's visions linked, therefore Itachi can trap Nagato.

Itachi can cast amaterasu and wait in susano'o form while the bodies burn

Yes, you are biased because you only limit Itachi. You're saying that pain's bodies don't feel anything, and that's not important. Amaterasu burnt Raikage's arm in a few seconds (and he had the lightning armor protecting it aswell). Do you think some dead bodies will last longer than Raikage+armor? Short answer: No. Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Since we're talking about a fight in which both fighters have full knowledge, do you think Itachi is an idiot and keep fighting pain bodies, or should he try and figure out where Nagato is? You're underestimating Itachi so much man...soon you'll be telling me that Akamaru would own Itachi, because the sealing sword only works on people or something.

Here's a thought for Pain lovers out there. We know Itachi has sharingan and can copy techniques like Kakashi does. Do you think that there is a possibility that Itachi ACTUALLY KNOWS a tech similar to Zabuza's mist (seeing how Itachi spent a lot of his time in Kisame's presence)? 1 Mist tech and Pain needs to use Shinra Tensei to be able to see, which make him an easy target afterwards. Then mist again (or something similar to mist). DO NOT LIMIT ITACHI TO 3 JUTSUS.

all the bold parts are biased. dont tell people something you are guilty with.

lol.

dont make things please.. you never saw itachi susanoo use any other weapon besides that sword and shield.

WHO KNOWS MAYBE NAGATO's GEDO MAZO CAN CRUSH SUSANOO WITH ITS BARE FOOT
AND GOD REALM STILL HAS A SECRET WEAPON LIKE BLACK HOLE THAT SUCKS EVERYTHING AND CRUSH TO MOLECULAR LEVEL. LOLOL!

nothing pass itachi susanoo? well im stating nothing withstand a full power shinra tensei.

itachi HAS limited skills. thats a fact if he got tricks up his sleeves then he should have showed it to itachi..


YOU REALLY NEVER WANNA GIVE UP ON YOUR BELOVED ITACHI HUH. GIVE UP DUDE. im starting to pity you. lol

 

[khaydz5]

Yes, they will cause trouble. But their strong point (visually linked) is also their weakness. Remember how Gai said you need to fight Itachi? Do not look into his eyes. Only with Itachi he can cast genjutsu even with his finger (at least). So it's a hard battle for both warriors.

and remember what chiyo says? if up against sharingan, its only good for 1on1 so run if you're alone face the sharingan user many to one and that should do the trick.

and you dont have evidence that tsukoyomi will affect nagato once itachi cast it..


AND!!!! you also mention they both know their secrets so NAGATO would know how to counter that tsukoyomi. he would simlpy not make the path that is infront of itachi to look to itachi. other paths that are behind itachi can look and still others can fight coz they are visually link. got what i mean huh?

 

[khaydz5]

Its a genjutsu and disrupts chakra flow like other genjutsus......see this is why i say you pain fanboys are pulling things out of your ass. Did you bother to read the chapter when pain is trapped by the frog genjutsu??? If receiving signals meant genjutsu immunity, how the eff did the 3 bodies fall under genjutsu against jman? You have to do better than that, son.


1. He did'nt.
2. He HAD to lose his sharingan to save his life(izanagi against konan). After that he decided to implant the rinnegan.
3. Here's my question: if its so hot, then why did he give the rinnegan to nagato in the first place instead of keeping it for himself, hmmm?

hey son i think you need to reread the whole thread before replying. it was argued countless times...you are all stating that if itachi cast genjutsu on one body nagato would be affected..huh but here is the catch.. why nagato did not appear on the realm of genjutsu of jiraiya?simple coz only those 3 are affected.not everyone. got it dude? logically same goes with every genjutsu. and dont say its a weak genjutsu coz its a special genjutsu of SAGE its comparable to the highest level of genjutsus.

1-2-3.and i think you need to reread manga. you know why madara fought konan? coz he wants to have the eye dude! thats his plan from the start to USE the rinnegan.. and do you have proof that madara is not telling lies about that? unless explained it is not sure that madara really owns the eye. where would he get that? from his ass??lol

 

[khaydz5]

About the bolded^^ ....are you nuts???!! It already HAS worked on not one, but 3 dead bodies at a time!!

Also, you only talk about totsuka blade when you say it can't seal dead bodies....while that is debatable, even if it were conceded susanoo's main defensive power is yata's mirror with itachi so your whole rant against susanoo=BS.

Ametarasu lasting 10 seconds.....???????? ROFL!!! Try calculating the time here:

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Ametarasu by itachi starts here in ep 390. The whole surrounding area is set ablaze in the course of the fight:

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4 chapters later, 4 CHAPTERS LATER

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Same ametarasu is still around^^. Try reading from chapter 390 to 394.....do you think all that happened in 10 seconds or less???? At least, it was half an hour to a full hour.



About the totsuka sword, btw, NOWHERE does it say it can't seal dead bodies. Here, read it yourself:

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Anyone and ANYTHING it pierces becomes trapped in an eternal genjutsu.

i think you have yo understand well before you quote someone. he saying that the bodies will just last roughly 10sec before it turn to ashes not amaterasu will only last 10sec. thats just plain dumb dude we all know its a never ending flame.

2nd. what good would yata mirror do? as a shield yes it blocks every attack, but also as a downside of a shield it can only block roughly 90 to 180 degrees in front of susanoo. 6 paths can surround it + those 10 summons. and can attack in every angle! and you think yata mirror will help itachi withstand chibaku tensei?lol

TOTSUKA SWORD TRAPS WHAT IT HIT IN A ETERNAL GENJUTSU?? LOL. doesnt make sense dude. what if it hit a stone will it also trap it in a GENJUTSU?? damn man use logic. ill accept bodies but ANYTHING?lol. go make your homework first kid.

with all this debate.. the only thing i think that itachi could use to defeat pain is to cast genjutsu to nagato himself but even though he knows the secret behind pain's power it would be hard to ignore all bodies and go straight to nagato.


and thats it.. its like finding needle in a haystack. lol. so much for the great itachi.

 

[Rihari]

theres no question pain will win it the people tht are saying itachi are just fanboys pain is stronger enoguh said

 

[pemayozer]

How about : you believe that Itachi has 3 techs and that's it.

Pain's bodies don't have souls, but Itachi can easily NOT USE the sword and use something else. Sasuke's Susano'o has a bow lol. I'll assure you that Itachi's susano'o can do without sealing people.

Nothing can go past itachi's susano'o.

Pain's visions linked, therefore Itachi can trap Nagato.

Itachi can cast amaterasu and wait in susano'o form while the bodies burn

Yes, you are biased because you only limit Itachi. You're saying that pain's bodies don't feel anything, and that's not important. Amaterasu burnt Raikage's arm in a few seconds (and he had the lightning armor protecting it aswell). Do you think some dead bodies will last longer than Raikage+armor? Short answer: No. Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Since we're talking about a fight in which both fighters have full knowledge, do you think Itachi is an idiot and keep fighting pain bodies, or should he try and figure out where Nagato is? You're underestimating Itachi so much man...soon you'll be telling me that Akamaru would own Itachi, because the sealing sword only works on people or something.

Here's a thought for Pain lovers out there. We know Itachi has sharingan and can copy techniques like Kakashi does. Do you think that there is a possibility that Itachi ACTUALLY KNOWS a tech similar to Zabuza's mist (seeing how Itachi spent a lot of his time in Kisame's presence)? 1 Mist tech and Pain needs to use Shinra Tensei to be able to see, which make him an easy target afterwards. Then mist again (or something similar to mist). DO NOT LIMIT ITACHI TO 3 JUTSUS.

ohhhh anbu...are u really this shameless...

Pain's visions linked, therefore Itachi can trap Nagato.
how many times have i proved ur little theory over this is a bucket full of shit
and every time u skimper out some where else and all so shamelessly try to sneak in this shit of a theory into peoples mind...
nothing can pass susanno... wat about poison mist ???
dont say susanno has a air filter.. if mist doest past ten neither does air, user dies of suffocation

 

[ANBUCaptain]

I think somebody would win that match.

 

[kanesannin]

hey son i think you need to reread the whole thread before replying. it was argued countless times...you are all stating that if itachi cast genjutsu on one body nagato would be affected..huh but here is the catch.. why nagato did not appear on the realm of genjutsu of jiraiya?simple coz only those 3 are affected.not everyone. got it dude? logically same goes with every genjutsu. and dont say its a weak genjutsu coz its a special genjutsu of SAGE its comparable to the highest level of genjutsus.

1-2-3.and i think you need to reread manga. you know why madara fought konan? coz he wants to have the eye dude! thats his plan from the start to USE the rinnegan.. and do you have proof that madara is not telling lies about that? unless explained it is not sure that madara really owns the eye. where would he get that? from his ass??lol

Annoying 11 year olds are annoying.....you're just pulling things out of your ass now. No one said nagato would be affected by the genjutsu, only one of the 6 pain bodies, dumass.
And its owned, not owns. Come back to me when you're literate. Currently, your comprehension skills resemble those of an ape. I don't know if your just an idiot who can't help it or are deliberately acting like a friggin chimp, but eff it. Waste someone else's time with your bs.

 

[TheMaster]

I think Nagato because he has the Rinnegan and he controls all genjutsu and life and death itself.

 

[HiddenSage]

OK this is what I think Pain pretty much Kill Kakashi,Shizune, a lot of other ninja and knock out Chouza hurt Skimaru and fight with Kiba and his mom Pretty Destroy the whole Konoha.That man is a beast you can't compare him to Itachi with all due respect Itachi is awesome at 1 on 1 fight but I don't think he will last on 6 to 1. Think about all the charka pain use in a fight with naruto and destroying Konoha.I think it a lot more than Kisame. I sure if Pain go all out Itachi will die.To this point we can say that when Itachi went all out isn't enough to kill or fight with Kakashi and Chouza at the same time and FYI pain did it with just God realm. I'm not sure about this but for Itachi to be able to cast gentjutsu he need to stay still/like can't fight with other pain during that period I haven't see Itachi move while using gentjutsu yet. Itachi will put up a great fight but I can't see how he's going to win all his MS technique cost to much charka and health issue to be using/spamming like Sasuke and I think sasuke have more charka than Him.

 

[Turson]

OK this is what I think Pain pretty much Kill Kakashi,Shizune, a lot of other ninja and knock out Chouza hurt Skimaru and fight with Kiba and his mom Pretty Destroy the whole Konoha.That man is a beast you can't compare him to Itachi with all due respect Itachi is awesome at 1 on 1 fight but I don't think he will last on 6 to 1. Think about all the charka pain use in a fight with naruto and destroying Konoha.I think it a lot more than Kisame. I sure if Pain go all out Itachi will die.

QFT

I also have huge respect for Itachi (hes one of characters that surpassed sannins level), but Pain is simply stronger than him.

 

[TsukUy0m1]

i havnt seen itachi fight full bawl... against sasuke he held back just to draw out orochi... if nagato was full health and itachi was full health i think itachi could win...but he'd have to go all out...pein/nagato underestermates people and half plays with them...if jiraiya could capture them in a genjutsu then itachi=master of illusions surely could....but yeh. we'l never know..self opinions cause fudes among people for no reason

 

[khaydz5]

Annoying 11 year olds are annoying.....you're just pulling things out of your ass now. No one said nagato would be affected by the genjutsu, only one of the 6 pain bodies, dumass.
And its owned, not owns. Come back to me when you're literate. Currently, your comprehension skills resemble those of an ape. I don't know if your just an idiot who can't help it or are deliberately acting like a friggin chimp, but eff it. Waste someone else's time with your bs.

review the posts dumbass...
this is not an english class. i dont need to correct every grammar in here. and if you're just as literate as you said you would understand what i mean and reply on the topic. COZ YOU'RE OUT OF TOPIC DUDE! why? can't argue with that anymore huh? and youre just making excuses to ignore the sense of my post. come on grow up.

 

[jovardo]

Pain....ia all there is in the world of naruto Pain is absolute

 

[HiddenSage]

We haven't seen anyone it the Manga who can cost that much damage to Konoha yet even Madara but the First HOkage fight him so that arguable but no one yet I'm pretty sure no one can cost that much damage to Konoha by themself

 

[ackeem1992]

itachi simply cannot face nagato by himself, he will die, amaterasu is too slow and gets absorbed by preta path, tsukuyomi is useless if you cant get all six bodies caught in it, catching all bodies in a tsukuyomi is proven impossible, susanoo is a big double edge sword and is not sustained for long.

itachi please do not face a monster like nagato all by yourself, if one doesn't have good summons to fight off animals path unearthly beasts, then the fight would be pointless.