Is Naruto the most progressive mainstream manga?

[Skull Knight]

that's what they say.

so in one piece

aokiji
usopp
and blackbeard + that boogie guy are black.

kuma is also black

 

[Avani]

None of that shit has to do with the manga. Robin was never that dark in the manga. Nor was that underling of Buggy's.

@OP

One Piece. Naruto made pretty stereotypical blacks, Killer Bee with his raps and stuff.

One Piece probably has the most diversity in terms of meaningful characters, it has transgenders, gays, blacks, etc. One of the strongest and most well designed characters is black. One of the main cast is also from Africa. There was an entire arc which tackled racism and slavery, and its a constant theme in the manga, there is also , government corruption (illuminati level stuff). One Piece by quite a landslide tbh.

Killer Bee is one guy. And then rest of don't rap but you bring it up in plural. And Transgenders/Gays in OP are stereotypical jokes for most of the time ( even the helpful ones) and you consider it a plus. Entire arc being related to slavery doesn't mean much since OP has an entire arc for almost everything- that's how it's that long. Boa and her friends still had to hide their past for all her status.

And main caste African? Whom you are referring to Usopp or Brook?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I think that RWBY is better. There are faunus who are fighting for better life and you can clearly see people with xenophobia. Creator of it(Who is no longer between us) even planned pairings between two girls or guys. Just because America is behind apes in social freedom does not mean that rest of the world will kill you because you hate Jesus. Not to say that here is Slovakia is so much better. What with war and many people running from their home and here we accept only 3 or so.

i mean if were going to include american cartoons then Avatar and legend of korra blow everything out the water.

OP: the first black guy introduced on naruto was a wannabe rapper trying to sell his mixtape.

 

[Yeah right]

that's what they say.

so in one piece

aokiji
usopp
and blackbeard + that boogie guy are black.

I guess so is Magellan. Wow, a lot of powerful black people in One Piece.

 

[Yeah right]

Killer Bee is one guy. And then rest of don't rap but you bring it up in plural. And Transgenders/Gays in OP are stereotypical jokes for most of the time ( even the helpful ones) and you consider it a plus. Entire arc being related to slavery doesn't mean much since OP has an entire arc for almost everything- that's how it's that long. Boa and her friends still had to hide their past for all her status.

And main caste African? Whom you are referring to Usopp or Brook?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Boa has to hide her slavery status to save face and that it's illegal to run away from the royals.

Everyone is quirky in One Piece. Except for the boring characters. To say that Ivan has to act normal means you are excluding the character from having a One Peice personality.

 

[Skull Knight]

Killer Bee is one guy. And then rest of don't rap but you bring it up in plural. And Transgenders/Gays in OP are stereotypical jokes for most of the time ( even the helpful ones) and you consider it a plus. Entire arc being related to slavery doesn't mean much since OP has an entire arc for almost everything- that's how it's that long. Boa and her friends still had to hide their past for all her status.

Slavery topic has been brought lots of times.
It was brought in Sabody Arch Arc, Koala's Jinbei background story and Amazon lily arc showing how disgusting Celestial dragons are and marines does nothing about it.

 

[LordRaikage]

i mean if were going to include american cartoons then Avatar and legend of korra blow everything out the water.

OP: the first black guy introduced on naruto was a wannabe rapper trying to sell his mixtape.

that destroyed one of the main characters in a 4v1.

 

[LordRaikage]

I guess so is Magellan. Wow, a lot of powerful black people in One Piece.

your sarcasm needs work.

 

[Yeah right]

your sarcasm needs work.

Sarcasm should be identifiable or it risks being taken seriously.

 

[ToshiZO]

Killer Bee is one guy. And then rest of don't rap but you bring it up in plural. And Transgenders/Gays in OP are stereotypical jokes for most of the time ( even the helpful ones) and you consider it a plus. Entire arc being related to slavery doesn't mean much since OP has an entire arc for almost everything- that's how it's that long. Boa and her friends still had to hide their past for all her status.

And main caste African? Whom you are referring to Usopp or Brook?

Killer Bee raps. The Raikages are the least analytical and most straightforward physical fighters (athletic). Omoi and them wear Hoodies ffs, look at

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character design, the rest of the Kages look formal and then you have Darui and omoi with Hoodies. I love their designs but that is every stereotype put into one village.

Usopp was stated to be African by Oda.

 

[Avani]

OP has taken it bit too far where govt
-didnot arrest Doffy(after PH arc) even though they knew he was performing illegal experimentation on kids
-destroyed an island full of people because they were trying to learn what happened in Void century
-slaughtered Law's country men because of some disease(which they knew from the beginning)
-allows Arlong to do whatever at Nami's island
-changed Sanji's wanted alive poster because he is going to marry BM's daughter
-allows Slavery, Human trafficking so that Celestial dragons can have their share of fun
-kids are kidnapped and marines have like no clue where they went
etc.
Narutoverse corruption is nowhere near the shit OPverse had shown.


I have no problem wit a fat black guy as a main villain.

Is being more corrupt more progressive? In OP the current regime is an issue and the old ruler line of D's is fighting against it. Naruto's story wasn't directed at the government but struggle between ideologies traditional militarism and modern pacifism. So why would it focus on government corruption more than that? It wouldn't make much sense.

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

i mean if were going to include american cartoons then Avatar and legend of korra blow everything out the water.

OP: the first black guy introduced on naruto was a wannabe rapper trying to sell his mixtape.

And Black people from Kumo were trying to steal people from Konoha like Kushina and Hinata. Stereotype much.

 

[Yeah right]

Is being more corrupt more progressive? In OP the current regime is an issue and the old ruler line of D's is fighting against it. Naruto's story wasn't directed at the government but struggle between ideologies traditional militarism and modern pacifism. So why would it focus on government corruption more than that? It wouldn't make much sense.

Being corrupt isn't what makes it progressive. It's the issues being addressed and bring into light by the viewer. If Naruto only has militarism vs pacificism, it loses to One Piece.

 

[Skull Knight]

Is being more corrupt more progressive? In OP the current regime is an issue and the old ruler line of D's is fighting against it. Naruto's story wasn't directed at the government but struggle between ideologies traditional militarism and modern pacifism. So why would it focus on government corruption more than that? It wouldn't make much sense.

I m not sayin Corruption means more progressive the guy said Naruto has corruption(which i agree since it resulted in Uchiha massacre and govt made a fake story that Itachi became rogue and slaughter them)
On the other hand OPverse corruption is all on a whole new lvl .only 1 D and some other guys{Sabo, Koala, Iva, Hack) who felt they were cheated and lost everything are now fighting against all those odds and trying to overthrow CD regime. Luffy's story is also not about lets destroy the system but at some point he will get involve in this as WB said one who finds OP will start a war.

 

[Avani]

Killer Bee raps. The Raikages are the least analytical and most straightforward physical fighters (athletic). Omoi and them wear Hoodies ffs, look at

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character design, the rest of the Kages look formal and then you have Darui and omoi with Hoodies. I love their designs but that is every stereotype put into one village.

Usopp was stated to be African by Oda.

Hmm and was this really problematic ? Because in countries where there aren't that man black people residing Hollywood movies is what we look for reference. And this stereotype comes from there. Still all Kubo shinobi, have different personalities and types. One of them raps ( although he is much like Naruto- replace believe it with a rap), one of them is predicting doom constantly, one gets triggered too easily, another is laid back, one of them is a body builder and they are mostly likable and more or less popular characters.

Now I understand if someone doesn't find this depiction too flattering but seeing how much Hollywood stereotypes Asians, it's much ado about nothing. Hell recently I heard an American complaining about stereotype American characters in Indian movies. so.. whatever although I think Hollywood has created most unflattering Indian stereotypes and even myths when I look how bad it could go it's just a drawing that's not even that negative.


I suppose you are referring to that SBS comment :


D: Nice to meet you, Oda-sensei. I have a question. If One Piece was set in the real world, which countries would the nine Straw Hats come from? Pen Name: MICHAEL JACKSONS' BROTHER

Oda: Well. I'll just put what fits with the character's image.

Luffy: Brazil
Zoro: Japan
Nami: Sweden
Usopp: Africa
Sanji: France
Chopper: Canada
Robin: Russia
Franky: USA
Brook: Austria

Uopp fits image of the whole continent and fitting the image is not stereotypical at all... ok..

 

[Deadmed]

Being corrupt isn't what makes it progressive. It's the issues being addressed and bring into light by the viewer. If Naruto only has militarism vs pacificism, it loses to One Piece.

It doesn't just have that, that's just an overall theme. Naruto has overall themes while One Piece has more arc-specific themes due to its more episodic structure. Therefore its able to shift focus onto a larger variety of topics, that doesn't mean it does so better than other manga though.

 

[Avani]

Being corrupt isn't what makes it progressive. It's the issues being addressed and bring into light by the viewer. If Naruto only has militarism vs pacificism, it loses to One Piece.

Loses on what exactly Mr new alt? In OP the current regime is an issue and the old ruler line of D's is fighting against it. Rest of it is just for the sake of moving on to new adventure stories. .

Besides sexist jokes and how readers are expected to forget an obnoxious character's behaviour ( snatching bras of women assistants around him while they scream in protest) and deem him cool because he was once in love with a woman make me question the progressiveness part. :|

 

[Skull Knight]

In OP the current regime is an issue and the old ruler line of D's is fighting against it. .

D's were ruler??? I thought they were enemies of CDs.

Rest of it is just for the sake of moving on to new adventure stories.

That was the original theme, Lets find OP before anybody else finds it and now it happens to be that u have to mess wit every Yonko before reaching Raftel.

Besides sexist jokes and how readers are expected to forget an obnoxious character's behaviour ( snatching bras of women assistants around him while they scream in protest) and deem him cool because he was once in love with a woman. :|

Nobody says he is cool. His backstory was good that's it.Soon he will be a forgotton character in OPverse.

 

[Avani]

Everyone is quirky in One Piece. Except for the boring characters. To say that Ivan has to act normal means you are excluding the character from having a One Peice personality.

I am not talking about quirks. I am referring to purpose of introduction to slavery. While OP demonstrates how sever and multidimensional racist issues can be it fits OP because of the type of the story- it deals with discrimination of different classes and racism of nobles and what not. But Naruto is tackling a different issue i.e. how our pasts shapes our present choices and way of thinking and that only after embracing our past and letting go of the hate we can move forward. So comparing who detailed which theme more like this is kind of meaningless.

OP always introduces big arcs episodes. Naruto has a somewhat a minimalist approach where instead of spreading the issue to a lot of insignificant unforgettable characters he expresses the issue through a fewer but impact characters.

Slavery topic has been brought lots of times.
It was brought in Sabody Arch Arc, Koala's Jinbei background story and Amazon lily arc showing how disgusting Celestial dragons are and marines does nothing about it.

Read above.

D's were ruler??? I thought they were enemies of CDs.


That was the original theme, Lets find OP before anybody else finds it and now it happens to be that u have to mess wit every Yonko before reaching Raftel.


Nobody says he is cool. His backstory was good that's it.Soon he will be a forgotton character in OPverse.

Why they are enemies of the CDs unless they have some connection the past history?

Lol there were some of those whom you call " nobodies" impressed with him, posting about it.

 

[Skull Knight]

Why they are enemies of the CDs unless they have some connection the past history?

There are endless possibilities like
one of the D fell in love wit World noble and they were against it, or
D's were thieves who stole something important from CD's, or
they were traitors who left Mariejois because of the discrimination.
D's were never mentioned to be previous rulers of OPverse. I know there is a theory like this but unless shown we cant be sure D's were rulers.

Lol there were some of those whom you call " nobodies" impressed with him, posting about it.

Strange I have never seen a guy who is fan of Pink.