I really hate this manga.

[TheAncientCenturion]

My core point is that Madara - if he were to be revived - shouldn't have been so strong to begin with. If the scaling were to remain constant it should'nt of had anything to do with the RS. What exactly is Shinobi about that?

A true Kage Level fight was never actually shown in part one, we saw Oro outclass and go easy on a heavily weakened Hirizen. That's it.

The power scalling is way to high for a show that use to have Jounin, experienced shinobi, fighting and engaging in hand to hand combat and mainly relying on that. Madara, freshly revived, destroys the landscape casually with meteors and then changes it with massive Mokuton. One of the reasons he's been boring for me, he's always been too powerful with no problems at all. It would of been far more interesting if he was closer, still above, but closer to the Gokage in terms of power. But. . .

It's now "AMATERASU SPAM!" or "HOPE YOU CAN DODGE BIJUU BOMB!". It's not creative nor is it fun to watch such things. Checks and balances earlier in part two made this. . More workable, but still unpleasant. Such as the MS, or Itachi's reservation against using his MS techniques so liberally. And then the recoil that effected him afterwards.

I am not a fan of Naruto controlling Kurama either. That was one of the points I thought Naruto, the character, was known for. Having this uncontrollable force of nature that could tear everything he loved apart that he had to keep in check of himself to not let out. Now he abuses it's power. .

 

[Darkas]

I thought you took offense. My apologies, was playing poker and I wrote whatever came to my head without much though.

Right. Still, I don't remember making excuses for it - I see it as all nonsense.

And that's reasonable. He was hyped up by maybe as being incredibly strong - Iruka may have been the only one that stated it, but, be honest with yourself, if you saw Hashirama as an Edo - before it was retconed and stated he wasn't at full strength - you would've thought the same.

Nah man. I hate it.



I don't remember Kishi's dad dying at the start of Shippuden. I fail to see how it would affect his mental capacity anyway.

WTF are you talking about. You recently started up this titty attack thread since the recent manga chapter. But you wasn't saying that last chapter.

 

[shelke]

I thought you took offense. My apologies, was playing poker and I wrote whatever came to my head without much though.

Right. Still, I don't remember making excuses for it - I see it as all nonsense.

And that's reasonable. He was hyped up by maybe as being incredibly strong - Iruka may have been the only one that stated it, but, be honest with yourself, if you saw Hashirama as an Edo - before it was retconed and stated he wasn't at full strength - you would've thought the same.

Nah man. I hate it.

I didn't. I like the fact that there are still people on this forum who actually criticize this pile of garbage. People have every right to offer legitimate criticism.

That was not my point. You singled out Gai, which is what I found odd, when this power-scaling of his is retarded.

It was stated that a Valley was created by the fight between Hashirama and Madara - as TheMist stated. Now ask yourself, Hizuren wasn't even implied to be at this level.

 

[Darkas]

Thread: I really hate this manga.
"don't like it, go read something else or write your own damn manga since you fancy yourself a big shot" - SkyGodHorus.

Lel.



You brought up stupid points, therefore I thought you weren't worth replying to, simple as that. Tell me again how Kishimoto's father passing away a few months ago affect his work several years ago? How am I a hypocrite again?

I'll give you one post to redeem yourself before I shut you out.

@Shut me out? The **** are you smoking? You stated that Naruto is getting worst but without any proof of it. All you had to say about Naruto is pure opinion and hate. You just mad it's not going the way you intended it but when there are good chapters you're easy to probably sugar cone the shit out of Naruto. Two faced hypocrite.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

The power scalling is way to high for a show that use to have Jounin, experienced shinobi, fighting and engaging in hand to hand combat and mainly relying on that. Madara, freshly revived, destroys the landscape casually with meteors and then changes it with massive Mokuton. One of the reasons he's been boring for me, he's always been too powerful with no problems at all. It would of been far more interesting if he was closer, still above, but closer to the Gokage in terms of power. But. . .

It's now "AMATERASU SPAM!" or "HOPE YOU CAN DODGE BIJUU BOMB!". It's not creative nor is it fun to watch such things. Checks and balances earlier in part two made this. . More workable, but still unpleasant. Such as the MS, or Itachi's reservation against using his MS techniques so liberally. And then the recoil that effected him afterwards.

I am not a fan of Naruto controlling Kurama either. That was one of the points I thought Naruto, the character, was known for. Having this uncontrollable force of nature that could tear everything he loved apart that he had to keep in check of himself to not let out. Now he abuses it's power. .

I agree completely. Kishi could've explored the outside world in a much better way than he did. We don't even know about the rest of the continents in the world - he could've introduced newer, stronger opponents in a much better way - like Samurai, like other Shinobi alliances in a similar fashion to series like Toriko and HSH. A Jounin exam arc could've worked really well.

A better job could've been done out of the gates, out of sage mode - that weren't nearly as unbalanced, as well as other techniques.

 

[Haizaki]

It was a joke.

In part one? No he didn't. He said the power of a Single Ho-Kage:

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Now it's more than all Gokage combined and then some. The fact that this guy pushed Juubi Jin to this level is borderline retarded.

I never implied that others shouldn't be strong, I said the manga states that certain Clans had more to their merits. It was never implied other than by Iruka that Hizuren was stronger than Hashirama.

I am, as this power-scaling is hilarious. This manga went to hell the second Naruto went 4-tails against Orochimaru. The Tailed-beats' power shouldn't have been at this level. That demonstration by Naruto was ridiculous enough - it only escalated later on, with Kishimoto desperately trying to raise power levels to match Naruto's.

It's Naruto's character itself that has ruined this manga.

You clearly didn't understand..at that time, Kakashi was just explaining the power of the 8th to sakura
He says that it surpasses even the hokage..as little kids they were probably only aware of how strong the hokage of their own village was as they probably didn't know about the others
Also, when Kakashi said that, we didn't know how much it would exceed the hokage's power..the hokage was the highest rank so there was no other way to explain how strong it would be.
Also, Kakashi seemingly didn't know Gai's full power..I believe the power of the gates varies with the user

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Kakashi hasn't see Gai use the 8th before and didn't know what Gai was capable of with the 8th
That's why Kakashi was just explaining the power of the 8th and not Gai's power in the 8th


I also get with you mean with the power scaling

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

^So you agree, after your complaining?

 

[shelke]

You clearly didn't understand..at that time, Kakashi was just explaining the power of the 8th to sakura
He says that it surpasses even the hokage..as little kids they were probably only aware of how strong the hokage of their own village was as they probably didn't know about the others
Also, when Kakashi said that, we didn't know how much it would exceed the hokage's power..the hokage was the highest rank so there was no other way to explain how strong it would be.
Also, Kakashi seemingly didn't know Gai's full power..I believe the power of the gates varies with the user

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Kakashi hasn't see Gai use the 8th before and didn't know what Gai was capable of with the 8th
That's why Kakashi was just explaining the power of the 8th and not Gai's power in the 8th


I also get with you mean with the power scaling

Come on! You're obviously reaching with this argument and outright claiming that he gave a half-hearted and false information to a girl at Chunin Exams?

 

[Optimistic]

I wanna kill you so bad kaant.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I agree completely. Kishi could've explored the outside world in a much better way than he did. We don't even know about the rest of the continents in the world - he could've introduced newer, stronger opponents in a much better way - like Samurai, like other Shinobi alliances in a similar fashion to series like Toriko and HSH. A Jounin exam arc could've worked really well.

A bigger deal could've been made out of the gates, out of sage mode - that weren't nearly as unbalanced, as well as other techniques.

Sage Mode could've gotten some notoriety prior to it's reveal. Same with the whole Sage of Six Paths, if Kishi really wanted to make it a bigger deal. I would of preferred it if Orochimaru, Hiruzen, someone in part 1 hinted or mentioned him then. Samurai. . .I don't see why these warriors weren't introduced earlier. They fit th part 1 theme near perfectly.

Maybe I am the only one. But the political system and way things are done in the nations could've been explained better. Such as why people bother to listen to the Daimiyo's. Out of respect? Do they just fund the villages, and in return they offer protection? Why can't the Hokage and Daimiyo all be one person? As the latter seems pathetically weak. There must be some reason.

And, even the rest of the world map filled out would of been pleasant. . .

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

@Shut me out? The **** are you smoking? You stated that Naruto is getting worst but without any proof of it. All you had to say about Naruto is pure opinion and hate. You just mad it's not going the way you intended it but when there are good chapters you're easy to probably sugar cone the shit out of Naruto. Two faced hypocrite.

Lel. Look at the approval ratings you fodder.

 

[shelke]

Sage Mode could've gotten some notoriety prior to it's reveal. Same with the whole Sage of Six Paths, if Kishi really wanted to make it a bigger deal. I would of preferred it if Orochimaru, Hiruzen, someone in part 1 hinted or mentioned him then. Samurai. . .I don't see why these warriors weren't introduced earlier. They fit th part 1 theme near perfectly.

Maybe I am the only one. But the political system and way things are done in the nations could've been explained better. Such as why people bother to listen to the Daimiyo's. Out of respect? Do they just fund the villages, and in return they offer protection? Why can't the Hokage and Daimiyo all be one person? As the latter seems pathetically weak. There must be some reason.

And, even the rest of the world map filled out would of been pleasant. . .

The Daimyos do fund the villages, which is why Onoki used Akatsuki for terrorism on his own Nation, so that the military budgets wouldn't dry out. He stated that other villages mostly did the same. I think these parts were mostly explained, but it could have been infinitely and astronomically better, had this manga contained itself within the verges of political corruption.

Now ... everything is like sun-shining out of a bunny's posterior, and is this forgiven and forgotten, despite the severity of the Village's actions. It isn't cute any more.

^So you agree, after your complaining?

What?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The Daimyos do fund the villages, which is why Onoki used Akatsuki for terrorism on his own Nation, so that the military budgets wouldn't dry out. He stated that other villages mostly did the same. I think these parts were mostly explained, but it could have been infinitely and astronomically better, had this manga contained itself within the verges of political corruption.

Now ... everything is like sun-shining out of a bunny's posterior, and is this forgiven and forgotten, despite the severity of the Village's actions. It isn't cute any more.



What?

That makes a bit more sense. I still don't get why the Kages, specifically those of more militaristic nations (Mist, Kumo) wouldn't just decide to handle the affairs of the Daimyo's themselves. The entire thing just seems cut and dry, to me at least. An entire possible sub plot including politics or the place of shinobi (bringing back the idea that they are tools, something sorely missing from a majority of part 2) seemed to be ignored for a while with it only rarely coming up.

For the second half, that's one reason I've always been drawn to the Mist village. It's endorsed openly the murder of their own children to raise better shinobi and don't exactly shy away from it, and is filled with betrayal and back stabbing for power and money. Something more then what the others have.

 

[Haizaki]

Come on! You're obviously reaching with this argument and outright claiming that he gave a half-hearted and false information to a girl at Chunin Exams?

No i'm not..you clearly don't understand what I'm saying...Nothing I said implies that
We didn't know the raikage, kazekage, mizukage and tsuchikage..so it was only right "at that time" for kishi to explain the power of the gates to us in that manner
Wait a sec, the english dub says "you can even attain powers beyond even the "hokages"..you can check it out..also i'm pretty sure the viz translation should be different

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Sage Mode could've gotten some notoriety prior to it's reveal. Same with the whole Sage of Six Paths, if Kishi really wanted to make it a bigger deal. I would of preferred it if Orochimaru, Hiruzen, someone in part 1 hinted or mentioned him then. Samurai. . .I don't see why these warriors weren't introduced earlier. They fit th part 1 theme near perfectly.

Maybe I am the only one. But the political system and way things are done in the nations could've been explained better. Such as why people bother to listen to the Daimiyo's. Out of respect? Do they just fund the villages, and in return they offer protection? Why can't the Hokage and Daimiyo all be one person? As the latter seems pathetically weak. There must be some reason.

And, even the rest of the world map filled out would of been pleasant. . .

You know the whole Sage and his descendants only came up in part two? It wasn't relevant in part one abd I preferred that.
I remember there was that fodder Shinobi that used a sword in part one lol. They could've expanded on that.

It would be interesting to see the people the Shinobi were protecting. And why as well - there's no real reason why.

The Daimo could've been someone respected out if power, like the next step or equal to a Kage, but obviously not a Shinobi, perhaps something else.

There was so many possibilities, and so much if the world we know nothing about.

Danzou could've filled the political void, as a more hard knuckled villain with good intentions. I always did think Root would've staged a coup after Pain struck.

 

[Darkas]

This was a half ass publicity stunt. Nothing here proofs your statement but hate. Pure asinine criticism.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

You know the whole Sage and his descendants only came up in part two? It wasn't relevant in part one abd I preferred that.
I remember there was that fodder Shinobi that used a sword in part one lol. They could've expanded on that.

It would be interesting to see the people the Shinobi were protecting. And why as well - there's no real reason why.

The Daimo could've been someone respected out if power, like the next step or equal to a Kage, but obviously not a Shinobi, perhaps something else.

There was so many possibilities, and so much if the world we know nothing about.

That's the thing. The earlier back we go in the story, the more potential it had. The more ways it can go and all these neat things that can be explored. New places, characters, jutsu and fighting style. But in part 2 Kishi had set himself up with two fields of interest. The Akatsuki and Orochimaru (Who would be surpassed by Sasuke later). This trend continues. The entire time. With small sub plots on Kurama later on.

We see brief parts of interesting characters, but that's it. Deidara's explosion release, along with Gaki. Sounds cool. A deadly taijutsu style that Deidara turned into a ranged fighting style. We see nothing else though. Disappointing, but the manga would be leaps and bounds from completion if Kishi decided to add two or three more focal points in the manga.

Danzo. He could of and should of gotten more. He was gradually built up and I think his death was too early.

 

[Invsblphntm]

You're obviously mad cause Lord Sasuke solos your fav.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

That's the thing. The earlier back we go in the story, the more potential it had. The more ways it can go and all these neat things that can be explored. New places, characters, jutsu and fighting style. But in part 2 Kishi had set himself up with two fields of interest. The Akatsuki and Orochimaru (Who would be surpassed by Sasuke later). This trend continues. The entire time. With small sub plots on Kurama later on.

We see brief parts of interesting characters, but that's it. Deidara's explosion release, along with Gaki. Sounds cool. A deadly taijutsu style that Deidara turned into a ranged fighting style. We see nothing else though. Disappointing, but the manga would be leaps and bounds from completion if Kishi decided to add two or three more focal points in the manga.

Danzo. He could of and should of gotten more. He was gradually built up and I think his death was too early.

The whole region Haku came from could've been looked into. A whole region that looked down on Keekei Genkai holders - we could've seen why and what came to be in it's place. The Akatsuki should've forced the main cast to look across the world to prevent them from finding the Biju.

The Sound villiage should have been a villiage like the hidden rain - completely subservient to Orochimaru, with an emphasis on their sound techniques.

Gaki and the lesser known KKG Shinobi really interested me. They had a lot of potential.

I think it would've all given the K11 more relevance as a whole, the Sasuke retrieval arc really made me like characters I hated, like Chouji, Kiba and Neji. I can't believe they became such chumps.

 

[shelke]

That makes a bit more sense. I still don't get why the Kages, specifically those of more militaristic nations (Mist, Kumo) wouldn't just decide to handle the affairs of the Daimyo's themselves. The entire thing just seems cut and dry, to me at least. An entire possible sub plot including politics or the place of shinobi (bringing back the idea that they are tools, something sorely missing from a majority of part 2) seemed to be ignored for a while with it only rarely coming up.

For the second half, that's one reason I've always been drawn to the Mist village. It's endorsed openly the murder of their own children to raise better shinobi and don't exactly shy away from it, and is filled with betrayal and back stabbing for power and money. Something more then what the others have.

The funding is the issue. The villages are nothing more than Military bases. The money comes from the Countries Centrals and is given to the Villages as they protect the countries. The don't have their own funding sources, which is why the Daiyamos are important.

At least it accepts it. The author should have kept this confined to corruption. It would have been given a rich complexity to the manga. Kages could have been tried for crimes and then Judicial systems could have received highlights. Seriously, so many gold opportunities lost.