How did Obito become such a skilled fighter?

[kiiro]

Minato's training kept him as a fodder Madara's training turned him into a phenom.

What training did Madara teach him?

 

[kiiro]

Apart for the fact that he developed mad skills to the point he could use the outer path and many other skills. Control tailed beasts etc. Under Minato he was a fodder in fact under Minato his student's didn't amount to much because of his training not even kakashi. Let's face it Minato's a shit teacher and Madara is a proper teacher. Retard.

Nagato could use all the paths and didnt have Madara. Rinnegan tecnics can be used with ease if you have one. Just like a genjutsu from the sharingan. And yes, Madara taught him how to use that. But when did he use them? Until war? Not even training he needed.

All Minato´s students were Chunnin and Kakashi Jonnin and even they were used for a mission during war, a mission that could end it. Minato's is the reason Kakashi has Chidori. He did train them.

 

[kiiro]

I want the scan confirming stamina and endurance not your fapfic?
The side zetsu was attached to was the right side not the left and a scan confirming Obito survived Raikiri because of zetsu would be nice?
The only retarded wanker is you bring the scans and I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

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Zetsu arm comes off pretty strong and enduring if you ask me

"You cant destroy a rock of that size yet" Which means he could, he barely gain that new arm.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

1.- Yes, he was a gennin.

No he was a chuunin, read the manga. Genins don't fight in the 3rd world war only chuunins and up.

2.- Minato is top 5 taijutsu fighters. His own style. Minato is a killer, he doesnt need flashy moves. And if he does, then he will do it.

Dude stop, minato has no taijutsu feat whatsoever. There is no "own style" bullshit you're just being a fanboy. Minato using ftg slash is not a taijutsu, he's just using a space time ninjutsu.

3.- Hashirama cells boostest your physical stats. So you are stronger taijutsu fighter and have more durability if you get hit. Hashirama cells even makes you cure faster. It helps you to fight, not makes you skill better.

Wrong. Hashirama increases physical ENERGY. With that you have the stamina to produce more chakra and keep a good duration when preforming your ninjutsu. You don't get physically stronger from Hashirama cells because like I said Danzo's genjutsu was physically weak despite the senju tissue.
White zetsu with senju tissue added are physical weak too.
And guess what? Hashirama isn't known for being physically the strongest either. Sakura, Gai, and even Tsunade (though she has senju lineage) are both physically stronger than Hashirama. Hashirama being senju has the body of the hagormoo (yang energy) giving senjus a decent amount of strength but nowhere strong enough to pass it through their cells.

5.- Not prodigies, Genius. Prodigies from Uchihas only Itachi.

Nara clan are geniuses, the uchiha clan are all full of prodigies.
Fugaku the wicked eye, Shisui the mirage, Sasuke was said to be a prodigy since part 1, tobi single handily created akatsuki while fulling the mist village, Itachi prodigy with the wisdom of a hokage, and Madara is self explanatory. All prodigies. And prodigy generically means young geniuses with exceptional skills.

 

[KidGamer65]

He only went toe to toe with Minato because of Kamui, which lets him slip through any attack. Outside of Kamui what Obito did during that fight was basic. Same goes for his performance afterwards. Why he's powerful is because his MS ability is hax and his physical abilities are extraordinary. Physical ability will trump skill in almost every scenario.

Oh yeah, and Minato being top 5 hand to hand combatants is nonsense.

 

[Deadmed]

This could be a whole gaiden series: The Rise of Obito - Madara's Apprentice.

And they could go beyond that and show the entire Naruto story from Obito's perspective. Remember when he said it wasn't about Rin but moreso what he saw while traveling the world as Madara? It could offer more context and depth to his justification of his corrupted persona. We could see his role in the Bloody Mist, his manipulation of the Akatsuki, how he invented "Tobi", and how his opinion on Naruto and morality changed throughout the story. There's no way he remained in a static mindset from the moment of Rin's death to his inevitable TNJ, he even made it clear to Kakashi that there was more to him than just Rin, and to not get that idea, it's just that that event traumatized his young self to start down the path he did only to continuously reaffirm his contempt for the world the more he saw of it. I imagine this had a lot to do with the Bloody Mist and seeing young children murder each other constantly.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

And they could go beyond that and show the entire Naruto story from Obito's perspective. Remember when he said it wasn't about Rin but moreso what he saw while traveling the world as Madara? It could offer more context and depth to his justification of his corrupted persona. We could see his role in the Bloody Mist, his manipulation of the Akatsuki, how he invented "Tobi", and how his opinion on Naruto and morality changed throughout the story. There's no way he remained in a static mindset from the moment of Rin's death to his inevitable TNJ, he even made it clear to Kakashi that there was more to him than just Rin, and to not get that idea, it's just that that event traumatized his young self to start down the path he did only to continuously reaffirm his contempt for the world the more he saw. I imagine this had a lot to do with the Bloody Mist and seeing young children murder each other constantly.

word, that would be dopee

 

[kiiro]

No he was a chuunin, read the manga. Genins don't fight in the 3rd world war only chuunins and up.

Sorry, I dont know why I put Gennin. I know he was a Chunnin. Also, Gennins do fight in war. Look at Naruto.

Dude stop, minato has no taijutsu feat whatsoever. There is no "own style" bullshit you're just being a fanboy. Minato using ftg slash is not a taijutsu, he's just using a space time ninjutsu.

Sorry, I forgot he doesnt fight in CQC. The slash comes automatically with the FTG. Cool. Seriously I forgot that part.
¿Do you how stupid that sounds?


Like I said, Minato has the speed and reaction yo kill someone instantly. He doesnt need to use more Taijutsu since no one has the speed for his skills to keep up. And there never were someone. Not even the second fastest could keep up with him. And stop the bulshit that it is a space time jutsu. A space time jutsu has never killed someone just by using it, not even the Kamui as far as I know. You just teleport, it doesnt kill.

Wrong. Hashirama increases physical ENERGY. With that you have the stamina to produce more chakra and keep a good duration when preforming your ninjutsu. You don't get physically stronger from Hashirama cells because like I said Danzo's genjutsu was physically weak despite the senju tissue.

And from where does Physical Energy come from? O right, from your mind, "MENTAL " and that Energy you use it for the Genjutsus.
Now I will ask, what manga does that come from? Naruto obviously not for sure.

If you have higher physical energy, then you have higher physical stats. Period. And you cant say that, that has something to with Danzo's genjutsu since genjutsu are mental powers.

White zetsu with senju tissue added are physical weak too.

No Zetsus were no name people that were caught in Kaguya's Tsukuyomi. In fact, Kabuto used Yamato that are Hashirama cells to increase their power.

And guess what? Hashirama isn't known for being physically the strongest either. Sakura, Gai, and even Tsunade (though she has senju lineage) are both physically stronger than Hashirama. Hashirama being senju has the body of the hagormoo (yang energy) giving senjus a decent amount of strength but nowhere strong enough to pass it through their cells.

In fact I can say that Hashirama has is physically better than Tsunade and Sakura since they relay on chakra, not their body. Third and fourth raikage are the strongest.

Nara clan are geniuses, the uchiha clan are all full of prodigies.

No, Nara clan are not genius. No where is said. Only Shikaku and Shikamaru. Or show the scan.

Fugaku the wicked eye, Shisui the mirage, Sasuke was said to be a prodigy since part 1, tobi single handily created akatsuki while fulling the mist village, Itachi prodigy with the wisdom of a hokage, and Madara is self explanatory. All prodigies. And prodigy generically means young geniuses with exceptional skills.

Yes they are top ninjas. Take out only Itachi and they are genius ninjas that broke the standards. But for example Itachi got even higher than them being from the same clan. There is a gap between them in overall skills. And the Fugaku part we dont know nothing. But I can assume that Itachi was better. Or who knows. Sasuke was not a prodigy, but a genius.

 

[LoZelda101]

and lost to Gai first round in the Chunin exams.

Madara was an old man tethered to a statue. Who he training?

Probably used genjutsu on obito and trained within it like the matrix. Lol

 

[Scryed]

I remember Madara teaching Obito about Uchiha jutsu, Six Paths jutsu, and so on but then Obito was shown to train on his own with the Zetsus.

Madara taught Obito about the Rinnegan and Obito told Nagato he would teach him about the Rinnegan too though this likely happened after Nagato joined him. Shinobi seem to have some knowledge about the abilities they possess which also explains why Obito used Kamui against the Anbu despite having to prior knowledge about it. That's probably why Nagato was able to use his Rinnegan against Hanzo and Danzo's men even though all Jaraiya taught him were elemental jutsu.


Obito's fighting skill also revolves around the use of Kamui which is why he was able to fight against Minato

 

[Ace of the fire fist]

hashirama cells up da ass.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Sorry, I dont know why I put Gennin. I know he was a Chunnin. Also, Gennins do fight in war. Look at Naruto.

Well genins (plural) do not participate in war, just look at konohamaru and his squad. Naruto and Sasuke a missing nin were not suppose to participate in the war specifically for interest reasons. Regardless, genins are not suppose to participate in war.

Sorry, I forgot he doesnt fight in CQC. The slash comes automatically with the FTG. Cool. Seriously I forgot that part.

Because shifting your arms back in forth nakes it cqc now? Hey, let's add moving your legs back and forth to walk cqc too hmm?

¿Do you how stupid that sounds?

Hahaha Yep I do how stupid sounds. The incoherent jibbrish is vibrating through these keyboards.

Like I said, Minato has the speed and reaction yo kill someone instantly. He doesnt need to use more Taijutsu since no one has the speed for his skills to keep up. And there never were someone. Not even the second fastest could keep up with him. And stop the bulshit that it is a space time jutsu. A space time jutsu has never killed someone just by using it, not even the Kamui as far as I know. You just teleport, it doesnt kill.

I hope your dumbass knows that taijutsu is cqc, which you are somehow arguing that he has yet stated that he doesn't need to use it.
Now you can also drop that crap that nobody can keep up with his speed because kakashi, Adult Obito, Madara, and Killerbee reacted well to his speed. Linear speed has slower speed in nonlinear movements which the people I listed above exploited.

And from where does Physical Energy come from? O right, from your mind, "MENTAL " and that Energy you use it for the Genjutsus.
Now I will ask, what manga does that come from? Naruto obviously not for sure.

The doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You do realize that physical energy is energy being emitted from the body right? If you upon your damn eyes and read the page, you'll see in many instances when physical energy was being used without the use of brute strength. Take a look at edotensei, mokuton, and ashura yellow cloak for starters.

If you have higher physical energy, then you have higher physical stats. Period. And you cant say that, that has something to with Danzo's genjutsu since genjutsu are mental powers.

WHAT? Izanagi is a yin yang release jutsu. The thing only last as long as the user is revived. Did not see Karin sense to see if Sasuke was under any genjutsu or not? Izanagi affects the user not the opponent, so him getting his ass handed to him in close combat moments had nothing to do with the genjutsu.
Hashirama cells DOES NOT grant you higher physical stat force and that's just a fact that you have to deal with PERIOD. White zetsu, danzo and many others did not get physically strong from Hashirama's cells. Even Orochimaru and Kabuto still remained the same physically.

No Zetsus were no name people that were caught in Kaguya's Tsukuyomi. In fact, Kabuto used Yamato that are Hashirama cells to increase their power.

Which is exactly the same zetsu that I was talking about on the first place. Weak asf

In fact I can say that Hashirama has is physically better than Tsunade and Sakura since they relay on chakra, not their body. Third and fourth raikage are the strongest.

Third and Fourth raikage use chakra to enhance their speed and physical strength. Don't be that fool that is calling lightning style armour energy and not chakra. Hashirama has never shown any physical feats to compare to the likes of Tsunade and Sakura. As for the bold part...I'm seriously laughing because it's foolish and it doesn't make any sense.

No, Nara clan are not genius. No where is said. Only Shikaku and Shikamaru. Or show the scan.

They are geniuses just deal.

Yes they are top ninjas. Take out only Itachi and they are genius ninjas that broke the standards. But for example Itachi got even higher than them being from the same clan. There is a gap between them in overall skills. And the Fugaku part we dont know nothing. But I can assume that Itachi was better. Or who knows. Sasuke was not a prodigy, but a genius.

Fugaku part is literally in the novel, Sasuke was said to be a prodigy, Hiruzen said Shisui and his predecessors were the same deal so enough. Just look at what tobi/obito did the the whole series that at the age of 14 he was accomplishing feats only Madara could do.
They're all prodigies in that clan, it doesn't get recognized until they are put in with a group of people other than there clan. Like how many times did they call Sasuke a prodigy, seriously.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Probably used genjutsu on obito and trained within it like the matrix. Lol

True he taught Obito outer path and yin yang techs among others.

 

[Hakke]

He was trained by Madara. Nuff said.

 

[kiiro]

Well genins (plural) do not participate in war, just look at konohamaru and his squad. Naruto and Sasuke a missing nin were not suppose to participate in the war specifically for interest reasons. Regardless, genins are not suppose to participate in war.

I know. But then it is not all the gennins.

Because shifting your arms back in forth nakes it cqc now? Hey, let's add moving your legs back and forth to walk cqc too hmm?

Hahaha Yep I do how stupid sounds. The incoherent jibbrish is vibrating through these keyboards.

Yes it is, as long as the body is in contact closely with the enemy then yes it is. Even a Kick.

I hope your dumbass knows that taijutsu is cqc, which you are somehow arguing that he has yet stated that he doesn't need to use it.
Now you can also drop that crap that nobody can keep up with his speed because kakashi, Adult Obito, Madara, and Killerbee reacted well to his speed. Linear speed has slower speed in nonlinear movements which the people I listed above exploited.

CQC = Taijutsu. Who doesnt? Ok, stop a moment and read what I said, I didnt said " He doesnt need Taijutsu" I SAID "he doesnt need MORE taijutsu"

What he uses is enough to defeat his enemy. If that is enough then dont wonder how will he be with all his true taijutsu skills.

Kakashi? Obito? Killer Bee? Non of them could keep up with him.

The doesn't make any sense whatsoever. You do realize that physical energy is energy being emitted from the body right? If you upon your damn eyes and read the page, you'll see in many instances when physical energy was being used without the use of brute strength. Take a look at edotensei, mokuton, and ashura yellow cloak for starters.

I know it doesnt make sense but that is what you said. I was being sarcasm. Need to read what you write before posting. How can a Genjutsu be physically weak?

Also Physical Energy =/= Yang Element. This is not the same. Otherwise everyone that uses Chakra can use Yang Release and the databook shows that not everyone knows how.

WHAT? Izanagi is a yin yang release jutsu. The thing only last as long as the user is revived. Did not see Karin sense to see if Sasuke was under any genjutsu or not? Izanagi affects the user not the opponent, so him getting his ass handed to him in close combat moments had nothing to do with the genjutsu.

That is different. The Gengetsu Mizukage said that genjutsu jutsus are based in Yin Release. Izanagi is different. It not only has Yin but both Yin-Yang release.

Hashirama cells DOES NOT grant you higher physical stat force and that's just a fact that you have to deal with PERIOD. White zetsu, danzo and many others did not get physically strong from Hashirama's cells. Even Orochimaru and Kabuto still remained the same physically.

So now you dont get stronger. Orochimaru was stronger reason he could hold Tobirama. I said that you are stronger if you have more physical energy.

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Which is exactly the same zetsu that I was talking about on the first place. Weak asf

Great. Now White Zetsu are weak. They are weak compared to the strongest.

Third and Fourth raikage use chakra to enhance their speed and physical strength. Don't be that fool that is calling lightning style armour energy and not chakra. Hashirama has never shown any physical feats to compare to the likes of Tsunade and Sakura. As for the bold part...I'm seriously laughing because it's foolish and it doesn't make any sense.

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Show me a feat where Sakura doesnt use chakra enhance clearly. The third fought with the Hachibi with his body.

They are geniuses just deal.

No evidence. Great.

Fugaku part is literally in the novel, Sasuke was said to be a prodigy, Hiruzen said Shisui and his predecessors were the same deal so enough. Just look at what tobi/obito did the the whole series that at the age of 14 he was accomplishing feats only Madara could do.
They're all prodigies in that clan, it doesn't get recognized until they are put in with a group of people other than there clan. Like how many times did they call Sasuke a prodigy, seriously.

Fugaku Part? It is just hype with no feats and not even is said how strong he is. Ok, they are genius ninjas but not like Itachi once again.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I know. But then it is not all the gennins.

What? just stfu about the genin stuff already, none of them participate in the war. This is literally part 1 knowledge because they are not suppose to participate in rank A missions which is what the war was. You lost this argument already, enough babbling.

Yes it is, as long as the body is in contact closely with the enemy then yes it is. Even a Kick.

Not it's not. You'd be even lucky to see a simple kick from minato.

CQC = Taijutsu. Who doesnt? Ok, stop a moment and read what I said, I didnt said " He doesnt need Taijutsu" I SAID "he doesnt need MORE taijutsu"

What he uses is enough to defeat his enemy. If that is enough then dont wonder how will he be with all his true taijutsu skills.

He's not using taijutsu period! He's not using taijutsu at all then obviously he's not using cqc. You don't even know what close combat means. Close combat is literally taijutsu with NO NINJUTSU involved.

Kakashi? Obito? Killer Bee? Non of them could keep up with him.

Obito kept up with him and that's why he lost his arm.
Kakashi's kamui blast warps things away instantly, so he keeps up with him. In cqc (no ninjutsu involved) kakashi is far superior.
Killerbee cornered minato during their first encounter and Bee's tentacle was able to beat Minato striking speed (when he tried to stab Ay's back and failed).

I know it doesnt make sense but that is what you said. I was being sarcasm. Need to read what you write before posting. How can a Genjutsu be physically weak?

It doesn't make sense because Sasuke is not under a genjutsu. The whole encounter was the real world. So this here doesn't make sense because it never happened. Izanagi is a yin yang release the affects only danzo to rewrite his situation. Once alive or injury free, Danzo is no longer using a genjutsu on himself. You're literally the only person that cannot comprehend this.

Also Physical Energy =/= Yang Element. This is not the same. Otherwise everyone that uses Chakra can use Yang Release and the databook shows that not everyone knows how.

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Chakra is not physical energy for the 100th time.

That is different. The Gengetsu Mizukage said that genjutsu jutsus are based in Yin Release. Izanagi is different. It not only has Yin but both Yin-Yang release.

You're just repeating what I said with the bold part. Mizukage example is irrelevant. The fact that what Danzo used was a yin yang release and not some yin release regular genjutsu during his fight with Sasuke proves that Sasuke was not under a genjutsu against Danzo, and Danzo was still physically weaker than Sasuke.

So now you dont get stronger. Orochimaru was stronger reason he could hold Tobirama. I said that you are stronger if you have more physical energy.

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Still doesn't make any sense and the hashirama cell was used to give them weak wood style.

Great. Now White Zetsu are weak. They are weak compared to the strongest.

A little chuunin killing it with a kunai knife is not the strongest, stop acting stupid.

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Show me a feat where Sakura doesnt use chakra enhance clearly. The third fought with the Hachibi with his body.

Third Raikage fought with chakra enhanced lightning style, are you dense?
He didn't fight anything with just his body, he used lightning chakra. He can't fight any hachibi without his lightning chakra.

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No evidence. Great.

How about you go through the manga and look at how many times each of these uchihas were called a genius.

Fugaku Part? It is just hype with no feats and not even is said how strong he is. Ok, they are genius ninjas but not like Itachi once again.

They are prodigies and was said to be as accomplished as Minato. Itachi once again is just another prodigy in his own right. Sasuke was called a prodigy, did you know that?

 

[kiiro]

What? just stfu about the genin stuff already, none of them participate in the war. This is literally part 1 knowledge because they are not suppose to participate in rank A missions which is what the war was. You lost this argument already, enough babbling.

Naruto is a gennin. You said that if it benefits the war then they can be used. I didnt said it, it was you.

Not it's not. You'd be even lucky to see a simple kick from minato.
He's not using taijutsu period! He's not using taijutsu at all then obviously he's not using cqc. You don't even know what close combat means. Close combat is literally taijutsu with NO NINJUTSU involved.

Stop the nonsense. Then what kind of style does raikage use? I mean he uses Ninjutsu and Taijutsu. Then he doesnt use any of them?
There is a thing called nintaijutsu which is the combination of ninjutsu and taijutsu. So both can be used and still be taijutsu.

Minato uses his body to fight, it is not a long rang jutsus like suiton o katon. He uses ninjutsu, fuinjutsu as supplement. Or then what does Minato use?

Obito kept up with him and that's why he lost his arm.
Kakashi's kamui blast warps things away instantly, so he keeps up with him. In cqc (no ninjutsu involved) kakashi is far superior.
Killerbee cornered minato during their first encounter and Bee's tentacle was able to beat Minato striking speed (when he tried to stab Ay's back and failed).

He lost an arm to Juubi Jinchuriki Obito. Impressive. Minato is faster than the kamui wrap so Kakashi wont hit him. And did Minato even go 100% power against Killer Bee?

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Look here, Bee was exhausted just becuase he used the tail. ¿How much effort he needed to do that? While Minato was just playing around. Bee could have beated Minato's strike attack, but what did he do to avoind the shiki seal? Minato made to swings and Bee didnt even notice it. Minato wasnt serious.

Not even the raikage. Also what part of that Raikage is the fastest ninja now that Minato is not alive did you net get?

It doesn't make sense because Sasuke is not under a genjutsu. The whole encounter was the real world. So this here doesn't make sense because it never happened. Izanagi is a yin yang release the affects only danzo to rewrite his situation. Once alive or injury free, Danzo is no longer using a genjutsu on himself. You're literally the only person that cannot comprehend this.

Ok then, but again, how can it be physically weak?

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Chakra is not physical energy for the 100th time.

What is chakra? Chakra is physical energy and mental energy combined And Yang Release cant be Physical energy or everyone would have Yang realease and fore example according to databook Kushina only has Ying Release. If physical energy was Yang release then she would have it since she uses chakra.

This doesnt make sense. Unless it is an advanced stat of the energies.

You're just repeating what I said with the bold part. Mizukage example is irrelevant. The fact that what Danzo used was a yin yang release and not some yin release regular genjutsu during his fight with Sasuke proves that Sasuke was not under a genjutsu against Danzo, and Danzo was still physically weaker than Sasuke.

Still doesn't make any sense and the hashirama cell was used to give them weak wood style.

Then I dont get what you are trying to say. What does Danzo being physically weaker has to do with Yang? He used the jutsu correctly. I dont see the matter. If it is becuase you think that with Hashirama cells Danzo was gonna be pumped then no, I said that it makes them stronger, not that they become beast.

And it is not if it makes since or not. Manga said that Hashirama cells would make them stronger and they always had Mokuton.

A little chuunin killing it with a kunai knife is not the strongest, stop acting stupid.

They were as strong as chunnin or Jonin level since both sides lost half army.

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Third Raikage fought with chakra enhanced lightning style, are you dense?
He didn't fight anything with just his body, he used lightning chakra. He can't fight any hachibi without his lightning chakra.

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I already showed you how strong the raikages are. Even without the raiton shield. Tsunade got injures using the teleport jutsu and Ai had not even a scratch.

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How about you go through the manga and look at how many times each of these uchihas were called a genius.

We are talking about the Nara.

They are prodigies and was said to be as accomplished as Minato. Itachi once again is just another prodigy in his own right. Sasuke was called a prodigy, did you know that?

This is not a prodigy:

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He is a Genius Ninja:

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This is a Prodigy:

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While Itachi had the talent to do it at first try, Sasuke didnt. Both genius but one exceeds from that.

 

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Minato

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Naruto is a gennin. You said that if it benefits the war then they can be used. I didnt said it, it was you.

No I did not.

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Well genins (plural) do not participate in war, just look at konohamaru and his squad. Naruto and Sasuke a missing nin were not suppose to participate in the war specifically for interest reasons. Regardless, genins are not suppose to participate in war.

Now cut the stupid shit already you lost this argument.

Stop the nonsense. Then what kind of style does raikage use? I mean he uses Ninjutsu and Taijutsu. Then he doesnt use any of them?
There is a thing called nintaijutsu which is the combination of ninjutsu and taijutsu. So both can be used and still be taijutsu.

There you go, he uses ninjutsu so cut the stupid-talk crap already. Once ninjutsu is involved your argument is thrown out the window. And I already covered this part already, when you read the argument you read the whole thin not quote by quote because answering the same thing over and over again is getting repetitive.

Minato uses his body to fight, it is not a long rang jutsus like suiton o katon. He uses ninjutsu, fuinjutsu as supplement. Or then what does Minato use?

Ftg is a ninjutsu period. You still have to move your hand when using katon and MOST (i said most) suiton techniques anyway, so unless you wanna be that guy to qualify that as taijutsu then delete your account and stop wasting my time.

He lost an arm to Juubi Jinchuriki Obito. Impressive. Minato is faster than the kamui wrap so Kakashi wont hit him. And did Minato even go 100% power against Killer Bee?

Minato is not faster than kamui. And adult Obito's movement speed exceeded that of minato's while the best he was able to do was beat the striking speed of a 14 year old kid. The whole point of his ftg 2 was to attack before he used kamui which he exceeded against a 14 year old, as an adult he beat him without it (in terms of striking speed).

Killerbee never went all out against Minato so idk what you're talking about.

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Look here, Bee was exhausted just becuase he used the tail. ¿How much effort he needed to do that? While Minato was just playing around. Bee could have beated Minato's strike attack, but what did he do to avoind the shiki seal? Minato made to swings and Bee didnt even notice it. Minato wasnt serious.

So using one tail all of a sudden means he's going all out instead of full biju transformation?

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Well if you look here you can tell that he was not fatigued, the only reason why he was huffing was because he was startled when Minato was about to stab Ay from behind. Obviously Minato was not playing only a fanboy would think this, Bee cornered Minato to the point that he couldn't retaliate. So Bee matched Minato with just a sword posed to his gut.

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Not even the raikage. Also what part of that Raikage is the fastest ninja now that Minato is not alive did you net get?

Tobirama was touted as the fastest shinobi alive so how is that for an answer? These are all during their time obviously when more and more people show up they tend to break that record. Sasuke and Naruto are fast too, are you gonna argue with me that mianto is faster than Naruto and Sasuke too?

Ok then, but again, how can it be physically weak?

How about you read the manga and realize that there was no genjutsu, that's how he's physically weak. Troll.

What is chakra? Chakra is physical energy and mental energy combined And Yang Release cant be Physical energy or everyone would have Yang realease and fore example according to databook Kushina only has Ying Release. If physical energy was Yang release then she would have it since she uses chakra.
This doesnt make sense. Unless it is an advanced stat of the energies.

Chakra is physical and mental energy combined, not independently.
So like the databook said, everybody has a fragment of some element. You cannot invoke a jutsu without both properties of the energy combined.

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You can refer to it as a semi substance like Shikamaru did.

Now all you need to know is the difference between shadow and light style fragments, shadow and light style kekkai genkai, and six path shadow and light style. What Naruto and Hashirama and all the other senjus use is their inherited six path phyiscal energy which no other person that is not a senju/uzamaki can posses.

Then I dont get what you are trying to say. What does Danzo being physically weaker has to do with Yang? He used the jutsu correctly. I dont see the matter. If it is becuase you think that with Hashirama cells Danzo was gonna be pumped then no, I said that it makes them stronger, not that they become beast.

Danzo having Hashirama's cells did not increase his physical strength. Sasuke who did not have Hashi cells out muscles him. All the cells did was increase his duration. Sasuke's not a physical beast either.

And it is not if it makes since or not. Manga said that Hashirama cells would make them stronger and they always had Mokuton.

They did not have mokuton before hand. Kabuto gave them those features to make them stronger. Sakura already covered this on the autopsy.

They were as strong as chunnin or Jonin level since both sides lost half army.

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They weren't even as strong as a chuunin since edo tensei did all the heavy lifting. All they did was stab people behind the back with kunai knives at night since nody can detect their chakra signatures.

I already showed you how strong the raikages are. Even without the raiton shield. Tsunade got injures using the teleport jutsu and Ai had not even a scratch.

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Literally has nothing to do with Ay fighting a hachibi without lightning style armour which you claim he can tank a biju bomb. In which he doesn't.

We are talking about the Nara.

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This is not a prodigy:

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He is a Genius Ninja:

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This is a Prodigy:

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While Itachi had the talent to do it at first try, Sasuke didnt. Both genius but one exceeds from that.

Well wrong, in both of those pages you just presented, they all say geniuses.
So how about we take this into account. Hiruzen that regarded Orochimaru as a prodigy, and yet both Sasuke and Orochimaru knows full well that the Uchihas exceed him

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I didn't take into account on what Gai and Lee said during the chuunin exams.

 

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No I did not.
Now cut the stupid shit already you lost this argument.

Cant you be more polite?

There you go, he uses ninjutsu so cut the stupid-talk crap already. Once ninjutsu is involved your argument is thrown out the window. And I already covered this part already, when you read the argument you read the whole thin not quote by quote because answering the same thing over and over again is getting repetitive.

He uses Taijutsu, doesnt he? I can same the same, once taijutsu is involved it is taijutsu.

Ftg is a ninjutsu period. You still have to move your hand when using katon and MOST (i said most) suiton techniques anyway, so unless you wanna be that guy to qualify that as taijutsu then delete your account and stop wasting my time.

FTG is ninjutsu. Yes. And also is his slash? Now you are saying that by waveing your hands is what i meant as Taijutsu?
I said that if you are only a Ninjutsu fighter then you only use long range jutsus like katons or suitons. Konan is an example. But Shikamaru besides having his shadow tecnic he still uses taijutsu.

Your the small minded that cant accept that even if you use ninjutsu you can use taijutsu even if is poorly.

Minato is not faster than kamui. And adult Obito's movement speed exceeded that of minato's while the best he was able to do was beat the striking speed of a 14 year old kid. The whole point of his ftg 2 was to attack before he used kamui which he exceeded against a 14 year old, as an adult he beat him without it (in terms of striking speed).

Killerbee never went all out against Minato so idk what you're talking about.


So using one tail all of a sudden means he's going all out instead of full biju transformation?

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Well if you look here you can tell that he was not fatigued, the only reason why he was huffing was because he was startled when Minato was about to stab Ay from behind. Obviously Minato was not playing only a fanboy would think this, Bee cornered Minato to the point that he couldn't retaliate. So Bee matched Minato with just a sword posed to his gut.

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Vs kamui: Minato as an Edo (Weaker than the real), after the kamui threw a kunai, entered sage mode, use hiraishin and was about hit Madara and lost the fight and Kakashi wasn't even half away to take Obito.

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Vs Bee: Bee was shaking by hearing Minato's name. Minato is way better than Bee. Raikage the fastest ninja till Naruto said Minato was superior. Period. Manga >> You

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Now, Minato was playing. I dont see a serious Minato, look here:

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Minato shows respects to Bee. He spare his life. C'mon even his brother said that no one could with Minato. Bee used all his efforts to keep up with Minato while Minato wasn't giving his all. Doesnt that shows you superiority? Yes, Bee put the sword in is guts but Minato is way faster.

Tobirama was touted as the fastest shinobi alive so how is that for an answer? These are all during their time obviously when more and more people show up they tend to break that record. Sasuke and Naruto are fast too, are you gonna argue with me that mianto is faster than Naruto and Sasuke too?

It is clearly said during his time:

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Minato's is called the fastest in the history. Stated many time in databook and manga. O tell me, why didn't anyone compared Naruto to Tobirama since he also has FTG?

How about you read the manga and realize that there was no genjutsu, that's how he's physically weak. Troll.

Troll me? a 71 year old ninja is Danzo. You expect him to physically strong after that age? Hashirama cells make you stronger proven when Kabuto said so but dont expect Danzo be as Tsunade, the Ambus even said Hiruzen physical stats decreased when he battled Orochimaru, why wouldnt the same happen to Danzo? Even Tobi called him old:

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Chakra is physical and mental energy combined, not independently.
So like the databook said, everybody has a fragment of some element. You cannot invoke a jutsu without both properties of the energy combined.

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You can refer to it as a semi substance like Shikamaru did.

Now all you need to know is the difference between shadow and light style fragments, shadow and light style kekkai genkai, and six path shadow and light style. What Naruto and Hashirama and all the other senjus use is their inherited six path phyiscal energy which no other person that is not a senju/uzamaki can posses.

From where do you get this? For chakra is needed perfect balance between Yang and Ying energies.

They weren't even as strong as a chuunin since edo tensei did all the heavy lifting. All they did was stab people behind the back with kunai knives at night since nody can detect their chakra signatures.

Edos that were fighting against ninjas we now like Kakashi, Gai, K11, bidy guards of Kages, Naruto and even Kages. Zetsus were fighting with the others.

Literally has nothing to do with Ay fighting a hachibi without lightning style armour which you claim he can tank a biju bomb. In which he doesn't.

I never said he can tank a Biju Bomb. And didnt say he fighted Hachibi with no armor. I just how strong he was with o without the armor.

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Well wrong, in both of those pages you just presented, they all say geniuses.
So how about we take this into account. Hiruzen that regarded Orochimaru as a prodigy, and yet both Sasuke and Orochimaru knows full well that the Uchihas exceed him

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I didn't take into account on what Gai and Lee said during the chuunin exams.

Naras. Orochimaru is a fodder. He is the type of genius like Tobirama to study ninjutsus and those stuff. He has great battle skills.

Ok. Uchihas are prodigies ninjas. But Itachi is far superior.