Hiruzen put under Kotoamatsuki?!?!

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Uh... NO. The Kage IS the dictator.

If you dont think so, look at the dialog. Everyone said that they wanted the Uchiha to die, but the Hokage says he will talk to them first if Itachi buys him some time. And Tsunade when against the wishes of the Elders as well. NO ONE LISTENS TO THEM lol.







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If the kage was the dictator he would be the strongest ninja by force. AKA Danzo could have forced his way to hokage instead of strategizing about it.

Clearly they all agree it would not hurt to talk about it peacefully if the Hokage talked to them, but as usual danzo ****ed up the ninja world and forced his will on itachi to kill the clan before hiruzen could attempt his way.

Also why would Danzo and the 2 consultents still be in konoha if the Hokage doesn't care about their opinion/ was almighty? What's the point of having a consultent, also on the tsunade scenario they did agree with her.

/fail/
 

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wrong, wrong, wrong. Go back and read.

The Hokage is not a dictater and gives out almighty orders.

That's why he had Danzo and his 2 consultents, they were going to vote on what to do based on the 4 individuals.

Hiruzen was out voted 3 to 1 hence they followed up with the massacre plan.

But hokage is the supreme leader of the village, Danzou and those two council members cannot outvote him. They state their opinions and he takes them into consideration.
 

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If the kage was the dictator he would be the strongest ninja by force. AKA Danzo could have forced his way to hokage instead of strategizing about it.

Clearly they all agree it would not hurt to talk about it peacefully if the Hokage talked to them, but as usual danzo ****ed up the ninja world and forced his will on itachi to kill the clan before hiruzen could attempt his way.

Also why would Danzo and the 2 consultents still be in konoha if the Hokage doesn't care about their opinion/ was almighty? What's the point of having a consultent, also on the tsunade scenario they did agree with her.

/fail/


LOL Too funny. Please dont take all that I say literally.

The only reason I called the Kage a "dictator" is because the post I was responding to called him a dictator. We all know that this position is appointed and not taken by force. And fyi we dont know if Danzou could "take the kage by force" so why would you make that comment anyway. The 3rd Hokage "beat" Orochimaru with the 1st and 2nd Hokage Edo. Danzou at that time still may not have been able to kill the 3rd Kage and take his spot, if it was ever a thought of his. Think about it.

OF COURSE the Kage "cares" about the opinion of the Elders. And Danzou at this point is an Elder. But what I pointed out is the fact that BOTH kages ignored the wishes of the elders when dealing with a few serious subjects. This means that the Elders don't "VOTE" when problems arise, they just give wise council to the Leader (Kage) in times of need. VOTING implies that the wishes of the Kage could be over-ritten. But their (elders) opinion cannot outweigh that of the Kage. Tsunade proved this when she did something that was TOTALLY against the Elders wishes, thats why I brought her up.






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LOL Too funny. Please dont take all that I say literally.

The only reason I called the Kage a "dictator" is because the post I was responding to called him a dictator. We all know that this position is appointed and not taken by force. And fyi we dont know if Danzou could "take the kage by force" so why would you make that comment anyway. The 3rd Hokage "beat" Orochimaru with the 1st and 2nd Hokage Edo. Danzou at that time still may not have been able to kill the 3rd Kage and take his spot, if it was ever a thought of his. Think about it.

OF COURSE the Kage "cares" about the opinion of the Elders. And Danzou at this point is an Elder. But what I pointed out is the fact that BOTH kages ignored the wishes of the elders when dealing with a few serious subjects. This means that the Elders don't "VOTE" when problems arise, they just give wise council to the Leader (Kage) in times of need. VOTING implies that the wishes of the Kage could be over-ritten. But their (elders) opinion cannot outweigh that of the Kage. Tsunade proved this when she did something that was TOTALLY against the Elders wishes, thats why I brought her up.






-gHost Senju, K.U.S.H. Sage


But hokage is the supreme leader of the village, Danzou and those two council members cannot outvote him. They state their opinions and he takes them into consideration.

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Seriously guys, read the manga
 

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I have been served, +rep bro.

Nah, it is an old chapter after all xD. Although if anything I believe Danzo used KA to make the Fire lords make him a candidate for Hokage. O_O
 

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Nah, it is an old chapter after all xD. Although if anything I believe Danzo used KA to make the Fire lords make him a candidate for Hokage. O_O

Fire lords?:eek:
 

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Hiruzen was a terrible hokage politically. He never showed any control.

Although, he was in the wrong here, and Danzo realized it. The Uchiha had to be stopped.
 

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Fire lords lol. From Avatar the Last Airbender. I think what was meant by that post was the feudal lords of the Land of Fire.

Yeah feudal lords lmao
 

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Rofl, did I put fire lords? My bad it's hard to remember unimportant positions :|

I mean seriously, if the Hokage is the strongest NINJA in the village why have some weaklings have a stronger position then them? -.-
 

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Rofl, did I put fire lords? My bad it's hard to remember unimportant positions :|

I mean seriously, if the Hokage is the strongest NINJA in the village why have some weaklings have a stronger position then them? -.-

Lol yeah they have barely no screen time.
 

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Note that in page: Danzo says clearly that Hizune will have to act when Uchiha really turned a treat to his eyes. Which means Hizune was still trying to find a way to resolve this peacefully. It is Danzo who was disobeying Hizune's wishes.
 

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No, Hiruzen wanted peace and he simply demanded time to resolve this issue without any violence occuring.

Danzo found a fall guy in Itachi, which means the betrayal could never be traced back to him, unless Itachi talked to the authority.
 

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No, Hiruzen wanted peace and he simply demanded time to resolve this issue without any violence occuring.

Danzo found a fall guy in Itachi, which means the betrayal could never be traced back to him, unless Itachi talked to the authority.

Sure why do u think Danzo puts silencing curse seals in his ROOT members. He like to keep his activities secret as most people wont like them.
 
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