Hebi Sasuke vs Mei Terumi

[Ghost in the Shell]

Mei's Suiton and Sasuke's katon would pretty much neutralize each other.

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[Draphsin]

Mei has never shown that range with her lava. Do you know how far up Manda's eyes are from her?

1. Manda slithers on the ground, it's head is easily within striking distance when it tries to get close.

2. Mei has decent movement speed feats, starting from

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she was easily able to

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with plenty of extra space all while spitting suiton. She can jump high enough to reach manda's eyes, since we've seen characters

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make such jumps before.

She can even use her large-scale suiton to propel her higher up if need be.

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Lel I did the exact same thing when I read that.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Within that time she can only shoot that much lava. Its the same argument as judging the size of Onoki's jinton we only use the sizes of something he has shown. That is the largest capacity of lava she has shot right?

...She can shoot more than that by spitting out more lava. It isn't that hard

Seeing as how he was able to shed his skin against the giant katon I would say Mei's tiny lava against his body wont be much a problem as it wont be enough to melt deep into skin.

So now we're comparing fire to acid lava in heat and the capacity to melt? Did you see how many burns and hiles that katon left on the shedded skin? It doesn't matter how tiny you believe it is, Manda can't just shed his skin as the lava hits him without taking major damage. Not to mention that the giant katon isn't an attack renown for its speed to say the least.

And it isn't like Mei is just completely helpless if he comes charging at her either. "Not being able to stop him" as you said is based on nothing. She can feasibly predict where he'll resurface and react accordingly. The second his head shows up he's getting doused with youton and might even run into a pool of wall of acid lava already.

Are we really going to argue if Mei's lava is hot? You can obviously see smoke coming off it

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and

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. When its hits the trees and stuff it will heat up the forest which will then heat up the air.

There's no correlation here to speak of unless you think Mei is shooting lava at the trees by "heating up the forest".

I am not ignoring anything. Its very clear she did not battle much against Black Zestu seeing as how many ninja were there including KCM Naruto and Chojuro and if she did then Black Zestu would have been melted right?

She only fought off panel with Madara for a little bit, obviously she used her justus but compared to Onoki and Gaara who did way more fighting they were fine after a little healing with Tsunade while Mei having just fought a little bit needed a recharge. Sasuke definitely has much more chakra than Mei.

It's really easy to use biased conjecture and/or ignore manga events to fit a particular narrative. We saw Gaara and Ōnoki fight more because they were fighting against premier opponents like the Mizukage. Then a good chunk of the Madara fight was skipped over due to other events such as Tobi vs. Naruto and Bee and the Uchihas brothers vs. Kabuto. This same argument that you keep bringing up doesn't work as you cannot pass off your opinion of Mei being replenished with chakra rather than healed as fact since we don't know for sure. Also, comparing a known stamina beast such as Gaara to Mei is unfair and Ōnoki was unable to use jinton after battling Mū, no wonder that he'd need his reserves replenished.

You're also ignoring the scale of her suiton as I alluded to in my last post.

Hebi Sasuke having much more chakra as you presume is a laughable notion, the guy was nearly outlasted by sick Itachi and he sure as hell doesn't have as much chakra as Mei. He used some katons, two lightning techs, a genjutsu, broke himself out of Tsukuyomi and used Oral Rebirth. Not to mention that none of his techniques bar Kirin come even close in scale to Mei's water dragon let alone her largest AoE suiton technique (overkill).

I suggest coming up with new, competent arguments. My tolerance for redundancy is not very high. If you think Manda solos Mei then you should have said so, because that's the basis for your argument.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Mei might actually be able to pull this off. She seems to have the tools to keep Sasuke in check.

 

[adeshina365]

Sasuke wins with mid diff

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Lol at Sasuke's fire and Mei's water neutralising each other. Mei's water prowess dwarfs Madara's Fire. How on earth is Sasuke's Fire even a factor.

That was a defensive move. her only water technique shown is the water dragon. Sasuke also has a fire dragon technique. Remember? he used it in the itachi fight. The stronger ones he used to prep kirin.Granted he doesn't do them much. but he does have them.

 

[New Dawn]

Hebi Sauce wrecks very badly.

 

[RedRobin]

...She can shoot more than that by spitting out more lava. It isn't that hard

Yet you laughed at the guy who said Mei and Sasuke's justu cancel out. Its the same logic Sasuke simply shoots more fire.

Not that simply. In one go she has only shown that much lava.

So now we're comparing fire to acid lava in heat and the capacity to melt? Did you see how many burns and hiles that katon left on the shedded skin? It doesn't matter how tiny you believe it is, Manda can't just shed his skin as the lava hits him without taking major damage. Not to mention that the giant katon isn't an attack renown for its speed to say the least.

And it isn't like Mei is just completely helpless if he comes charging at her either. "Not being able to stop him" as you said is based on nothing. She can feasibly predict where he'll resurface and react accordingly. The second his head shows up he's getting doused with youton and might even run into a pool of wall of acid lava already.

Again you overrate the size of her lava and underrate Manda's size. She has never shown to maneuver around boss summons, she maneuvered around ribcage Madara which doesnt mean she can maneuver and get one on the gigantic snake..

There's no correlation here to speak of unless you think Mei is shooting lava at the trees by "heating up the forest".

There are trees everywhere. She shoots lava on the ground, it flows to the trees, they melt creating heat in the air.

It's really easy to use biased conjecture and/or ignore manga events to fit a particular narrative. We saw Gaara and Ōnoki fight more because they were fighting against premier opponents like the Mizukage. Then a good chunk of the Madara fight was skipped over due to other events such as Tobi vs. Naruto and Bee and the Uchihas brothers vs. Kabuto. This same argument that you keep bringing up doesn't work as you cannot pass off your opinion of Mei being replenished with chakra rather than healed as fact since we don't know for sure. Also, comparing a known stamina beast such as Gaara to Mei is unfair and Ōnoki was unable to use jinton after battling Mū, no wonder that he'd need his reserves replenished.

Onoki fought Muu, 2nd Mizukage and stopped Madara meteor. Tsunade needed to recharge before gokage fight.

Mei fought BZ, a little off panel aginst Madara. Needed a recharge from Tsunade. And no she was not healing her unless she was wounded on her back lol.

Its beyond clear Mei has bad reverses.

Hebi Sasuke having much more chakra as you presume is a laughable notion, the guy was nearly outlasted by sick Itachi and he sure as hell doesn't have as much chakra as Mei. He used some katons, two lightning techs, a genjutsu, broke himself out of Tsukuyomi and used Oral Rebirth. Not to mention that none of his techniques bar Kirin come even close in scale to Mei's water dragon let alone her largest AoE suiton technique (overkill).

Which is all way more than what Mei did though. Breaking Tsukiyomi and or rebirth are beyond things Mei has done, only her water pillar being equal to those.

I suggest coming up with new, competent arguments. My tolerance for redundancy is not very high. If you think Manda solos Mei then you should have said so, because that's the basis for your argument.

Was it not clear that I thought Manda solos?

 

[BLAZE]

i honestly see Mei taking this more times than not

Edit: on second thoughts Aoda GG Manda GG

 

[Stxluciferr]

Mei wins mid-high difficulty.

She should start off the battle by using her large scale Suiton Suijinchuu on Sasuke. He has superb shunshin speed and reactions coupled with 3T precog to see her attacks coming, but this technique only requires one hand seal and erupts rather abruptly from the ground. When Mei used it against Madara's katon, Tsunade was only three meters or so away from the katon but it wasn't able to make it to Tsunade before getting completely overwhelmed. Mei's water pillar also surpasses Madara's Katon: Goukka Mekkyaku (the rendition he used against the Kiri fodder) in width and height, not to mention that it moves in an upward direction so I doubt that Sasuke is going to be able to shunshin away or evade it before getting tossed into the air and submerged.

Mei can follow this up with a quick water dragon to deal further damage to Sasuke and keep him on the defensive. Sasuke will most likely elect to transform into stage two of his curse mark and use his snake techniques to force himself out of there and tank her attack, but this gives her enough time to spread out her acidic mist all throughout the surrounding area. It isn't as effective in an open field since it tends to diffuse but this doesn't mean that it isn't effective at all, especially since Mei can regulate the amount of acid mist out on the field of play. Now Hebi Sasuke doesn't have intel on this technique so he'll mistake it for an ordinary hidden mist, but this will backfire on him if he attempts to use his katon to counter it as he'll have to inhale first, but he'll be inhaling a gaseous acid with corrosive properties. Even if he manages to use a katon, Mei's Water Release feasibly counters and allows her to reset.

As the mist spreads, Mei can set up pools and/or wall of acid lava around her to decrease the amount of routes and openings Sasuke has, and change her position. Also, since Mei is immune to her KKG, these pools of lava serve no threat to her.

Sasuke's summons aren't going to be of much use here as the acid mist and acid lava serve as effective barriers against their approaches. Heat sensing isn't going to be as effective since the temperature of the area will rise drastically due to Mei's Lava and Boil Release, not to mention that the acid mist both hinders and damages their perceptive senses. Touching the acid lava is an instant poof for these summons if they don't combust into flames and melt away first.

Sasuke can glide out of mist's immediate range but this is only temporary as the mist can cover a wide area. Not to mention that this leaves him open for Mei to fire a water dragon at him, which surpasses his regular katon, and then use the pre-existing water from the dragon to form a large pillar and knock him straight down. If the distance permits, Mei can actually fire lava at the spot where Sasuke will be falling before he lands [

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], which is GG whether or not he is in stage two or not.

Overall, Mei can control the flow of the battle to her liking and can neutralize Sasuke's direct, CQC oriented style.

Immediately after going cm2 to tank and power out of the incoming water dragon, Sasuke summons a mid level snake and easily relays his upcoming intentions with a quick Genjutsu exchange. He then has said snake launch him into the air, where he uses his cm2 wings to propel himself slightly futher upward. Considering Mei's game plan was to set up corrosive mist, which, has an effectiveness tied directly to how much she pumps into the area. This should allow Sasuke to safely get into the air without having to deal with any of Mei's projectiles. Looking at how large the area is, she's going to need to pump a nice amount to stop it from quickly diluting.

While in the air Sasuke drops manda from above, using his Cm2 genjutsu to force manda into coiling around the area and boxing Mei in. Depending on how high up Sasuke was when he dropped manda, it could help disperse some of the corrosive mist Mei's already managed to set up. Said mist should begin eating away at Manda but its sheer size and bulk should by it time as long as it keeps its head out of the mist. By this point Mei should already be done setting up her corrosive mist or at least see that she needs to attend to the more immediate issue. Ideally she would want to spend more time setting up techs that'll allow her to control the battlefield but she probably feels forced to start taking counter measures against Manda. As long as Sasuke doesn't have manda attack her directly though it should take her some time. This time hould allow Sasuke to use his wings to propel himself downward and quickly touch down on the outside of the box Manda has created.

Manda's size should easily obscure Mei's view of Sasuke as well as the original snake Sasuke summoned earlier; who by now should have already began carrying out the plan Sasuke relayed via genjutsu of burrowing underground and creating tunnels to the inside of the box Manda has formed. Sasuke and the snake then enter the tunnels and stop below the box, where Sasuke proceeds to use large scale cm2 katons from below the ground as he did here against Sai:

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This should serve three purposes:

1. To force what mist she has set up upward to disperse in the air
2. To force Mei to jump
3. To prep Kirin

With Mei being off the ground and distracted by what's happening below her manda can now go for the kill from behind while Sasuke powers down his Cm2 to conserve energy, and also readys sharp spear which easily tears through anything she could set up defensively, to follow up

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Yet you laughed at the guy who said Mei and Sasuke's justu cancel out. Its the same logic Sasuke simply shoots more fire.

Not that simply. In one go she has only shown that much lava.

No, it isn't because Madara's katon takes a fatass dump on Sasuke's and Mei casually overwhelmed Madara's in canon. Sasuke can't produce nearly the amount of flames Madara can at any given time.

Whilst acid lava is different because it doesn't dissipate after it's been spat out and stays in the field of play. Mei can add on to the amount of lava already in play, and the databook actually states that Mei can increase the dosage and shape. Again, it's not that hard, and I actually thought that the beginning of this part was obvious.

Again you overrate the size of her lava and underrate Manda's size. She has never shown to maneuver around boss summons, she maneuvered around ribcage Madara which doesnt mean she can maneuver and get one on the gigantic snake..

And the gigantic snake with his linear movements gets easily maneuvered around given that very same feat you brought up, though I doubt you'll accept this because you like to undermine the feats of characters that aren't your faves. She can even use her water techniques to propel herself if necessary. She doesn't even need that much lava to poof Manda to begin with, because he isn't shedding his skin in time before he gets hit anyway.

There are trees everywhere. She shoots lava on the ground, it flows to the trees, they melt creating heat in the air.

There's a large space besides the forest in this location and the ground is flat. Acidic lava isn't nearly as fluid as water either. I really don't know what to say to this to be honest

Onoki fought Muu, 2nd Mizukage and stopped Madara meteor. Tsunade needed to recharge before gokage fight.

Mei fought BZ, a little off panel aginst Madara. Needed a recharge from Tsunade. And no she was not healing her unless she was wounded on her back lol.

Its beyond clear Mei has bad reverses.

And it's beyond clear that you either need to rid yourself of this vendetta against Mei, or augment your comprehension skills. This is just the same BS again that you've wasted my time with for the past three posts. I'm not going to repeat myself again

Which is all way more than what Mei did though. Breaking Tsukiyomi and or rebirth are beyond things Mei has done, only her water pillar being equal to those.

Using some small katons and lightning techs that don't expend much chakra? Lol, Oral Rebirth and breaking Tsukuyomi above or equal to water pillar in terms of stamina exhaustion, which casually overpowers Madara's katon? Yeah, I suggest you work on your comprehension skills if you wholeheartedly believe what you're saying here. Breaking Tsukuyomi relied more on Uchiha blood, the sharingan, and the influence of his curse mark rather than taking a ton of chakra anyway.

Tbh I wouldn't bother responding if I were you, because I don't feel like reading regurgitated and mal informed posts. Your whole "strategic" effort, and by strategic I mean "Manda solos cuz mei has shit reserves and small lava" is pretty weak and baseless.

@StxLucifer: Genjutsu isn't going to be a factor in this match given the distance and the fact that Mei's large scale suiton allows her to control the flow of the macth and keep Sasuke on the defensive. CM2 Sasuke powering himself out of that large torrent of water isn't a given either. Summoning snakes is what I expect him to do and that was countered in my OP. Acidic mist, lava, and large scale suiton is going to hinder if not render the rest of your strategic effort null.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

At this range, Mei wins.

 

[Stxluciferr]

@StxLucifer: Genjutsu isn't going to be a factor in this match given the distance and the fact that Mei's large scale suiton allows her to control the flow of the macth and keep Sasuke on the defensive. CM2 Sasuke powering himself out of that large torrent of water isn't a given either. Summoning snakes is what I expect him to do and that was countered in my OP. Acidic mist, lava, and large scale suiton is going to hinder if not render the rest of your strategic effort null.

The genjutsu was never used for Mei though, only to relay a quick strategy to a smaller snake and force manda to obey Sasuke. Sasuke is eventually going to get out of torrent, you yourself agreed in your first post. If she tries to keep up pressure he just uses his supperior speed to retreat back and go to work with what I already mentioned. The only perk Mei has going for her is her ability to control the battlefield. I've already detailed how Sasuke takes that away from her using misdirection and the large size of both the field and Manda.

 

[RedRobin]

No, it isn't because Madara's katon takes a fatass dump on Sasuke's and Mei casually overwhelmed Madara's in canon. Sasuke can't produce nearly the amount of flames Madara can at any given time.

Whilst acid lava is different because it doesn't dissipate after it's been spat out and stays in the field of play. Mei can add on to the amount of lava already in play, and the databook actually states that Mei can increase the dosage and shape. Again, it's not that hard, and I actually thought that the beginning of this part was obvious.

You still dont understand. Within that specific amount of time she can only spit that much lava. Of course she could stop and go again but with one go at she will only produce that much because that is all we have see from here, she has not spit a larger capacity than that in one go.

Same with suiton, I could say Tobirama can produce just as much suiton form the mouth as Mei because of course he can make more.

And the gigantic snake with his linear movements gets easily maneuvered around given that very same feat you brought up, though I doubt you'll accept this because you like to undermine the feats of characters that aren't your faves. She can even use her water techniques to propel herself if necessary. She doesn't even need that much lava to poof Manda to begin with, because he isn't shedding his skin in time before he gets hit anyway.

Since when is slithering a linear movement? He goes

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. No you cant even compare them, she maneuvered around something much smaller in size than Manda.

Propelling herself takes time to activate the justu which Manda takes advantage of.

Manda took a sword deep in his mouth and didnt poof. A little lava that is not going to go that deep into his skin( Because of the small amount) is not going to be make him poof

And it's beyond clear that you either need to rid yourself of this vendetta against Mei, or augment your comprehension skills. This is just the same BS again that you've wasted my time with for the past three posts. I'm not going to repeat myself again

You quoted me. And I have no such vendetta, its just clear Mei cannot and has not shown the reserves or scales in her techniques to handle boss summons. That doesnt make her weak though.

And I have brought all the evidence needed to show Mei has bad reserves, you just dont want to admit that. Especially when you say things like 'oh Tsunade giving her chakra doesnt mean she is low' Like really, are we going to just ignore that.

Using some small katons and lightning techs that don't expend much chakra? Lol, Oral Rebirth and breaking Tsukuyomi above or equal to water pillar in terms of stamina exhaustion, which casually overpowers Madara's katon? Yeah, I suggest you work on your comprehension skills if you wholeheartedly believe what you're saying here. Breaking Tsukuyomi relied more on Uchiha blood, the sharingan, and the influence of his curse mark rather than taking a ton of chakra anyway.

So you think breaking one of the strongest genjustus Tsukuyomi, which put Kakashi and Sasuke in the hospital, an MS genjustu is a breeze? lol

And you need loads of chakra to recreate a new body.

Tbh I wouldn't bother responding if I were you, because I don't feel like reading regurgitated and mal informed posts. Your whole "strategic" effort, and by strategic I mean "Manda solos cuz mei has shit reserves and small lava" is pretty weak and baseless.

I find them to be very valid points that you cant counter aside from overrating Mei and ignoring key things like the size of the gigantic snake.

 

[Zexion~]

Is Manda viable?

If so its an easy win for Sasuke.

 

[Haizaki]

Sasuke wins Med difficulty.

 

[King Of Pop]

Sasuke wins Med difficulty.

could you explain why? i wold like to see.

 

[Haizaki]

could you explain why? i wold like to see.

Not till sometime. Have exams.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Mei wins this one, I'm having so many lol's at the people that think Hebi Sasuke can win.

You still dont understand. Within that specific amount of time she can only spit that much lava. Of course she could stop and go again but with one go at she will only produce that much because that is all we have see from here, she has not spit a larger capacity than that in one go.

Same with suiton, I could say Tobirama can produce just as much suiton form the mouth as Mei because of course he can make more.

Mei can spit out as much lava as she needs to.
Of course Tobirama can, he's the best Suiton user out of the Shinobi.
Mei's Suiton was ridiculously huge and even overpowered Madara's Katon, Sasuke isn't beating it.

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Since when is slithering a linear movement? He goes

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. No you cant even compare them, she maneuvered around something much smaller in size than Manda.

Propelling herself takes time to activate the justu which Manda takes advantage of.

Manda took a sword deep in his mouth and didnt poof. A little lava that is not going to go that deep into his skin( Because of the small amount) is not going to be make him poof

Slithering definition.
'Move smoothly over a surface with a twisting or oscillating motion.'
When you slither, you move in a straight line, with twisting, slithering motions, still, it is in a straight line.
Linear motion (also called rectilinear motion) is a motion along a straight line.
Therefore Slithering is indeed a linear movement.

Do you have any idea the difference between lava and a sword?

You quoted me. And I have no such vendetta, its just clear Mei cannot and has not shown the reserves or scales in her techniques to handle boss summons. That doesnt make her weak though.

And I have brought all the evidence needed to show Mei has bad reserves, you just dont want to admit that. Especially when you say things like 'oh Tsunade giving her chakra doesnt mean she is low' Like really, are we going to just ignore that.

Even when Mei was kneeling she still got up and had enough reserves left that she was about to use a Suiton, but was put to sleep by Madara's wood pollen.

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That fight was actually very long, and she did very well for someone as per you, has low reserves and can get beaten by a weaker character named Sasuke Uchiha back in his 'Hebi' days.

So you think breaking one of the strongest genjustus Tsukuyomi, which put Kakashi and Sasuke in the hospital, an MS genjustu is a breeze? lol

And you need loads of chakra to recreate a new body.

Itachi allowed Sasuke to break the Tsukuyomi, Sasuke didn't break it because he could, though Uchiha blood was also a part of it.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Mei wins most likely, though Sasuke has a slight shot at winning too.